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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    Lee, I have always respected your opinion. I have always voted for the individual not a particular party.
    Lately, you have created labels for me such as cohort and apostate. WHy? That's seems so beneath you to resort to name calling.
    As I had grown to consider you a friend of whom I didn't always agree with but a friend.

    I have been befuddled all summer as to your change of heart towards Superintendent Amatura.

    From town councilman through his time as highway superintendent, as you have told me in the past, he was always
    transparent when needing clarification about anything.

    You relished his conservative values when he initiated the removal of healthcare stipends and benefits for PT elected officials as a councilman.
    Amatura brought back the use of the GIS system by digitizing all highway records.
    You were on board when he initiated using the bonding process in purchasing equipment.
    Drainage - he is forever trying to right the wrongs of the former code enforcement officer who permitted structures in drainage easements
    Amatura runs a tight ship and expects a good work ethic of all his workers.

    When someone changes their membership to a different political party, it does not nullify their qualifications or their accomplishments.

    You are the one who insists when hiring town laborers, those jobs should go to the most qualified.

    Yet, for Highway Superintendent your promoting the least qualified, Pilato. A man who has the certification to treat for the Ash Borer which has nothing to do with managing a highway department work force and budget. The candidate with no qualifications or work experience. The guy that isn't going to insist that the taxpayers get their bang for their buck from their laborers. Why do you think the union backed Pilato? Promises of a laid back work environment. You'll be seeing highway trucks sitting idle on the side of the road with the occupants on their phones. The residents will be on the phone questioning when their leaves and branches are getting picked up.

    It's amazing, as long as Amatura was a Democrat, he got your thumbs up.

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    Gorga:

    1. You cannot seriously deny that you are a cohort of the Breezy, abc123 clan. I am equally disappointed to see someone re-register as a conservative, then go out of your way to derail two endorsed conservative candidates in a most unsavory personal way.

    2. I have indeed voted for and supported Amatura in all his years as Councilmember and Highway Superintendent. Had he stayed Democrat I would have supported him again. He was an excellent councilmember and highway superintendent.

    I did not like his party re-registration ploy and playing along with the colluded Democrat-Republican Party Machiavellian conspiracy to usurp the endorsements of all political parties, thereby suppressing voter voice – my voice as I abhor voting on either Democrat or Republican lines – as I have stated for years.

    I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the way Diane Terranova was treated when she ran for Town Clerk. She was the most qualified candidate then too.

    It’s politics. And although John Pilato may not have Amatura’s experience, he is well thought of by co-workers within town Parks and Highway Departments. In fact, wasn’t it Amatura who recommended Pilato for the Forestry Supervisor position when he worked in the Highway Department?

    Pilato will do just fine. We all have to retire at some point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    Gorga:

    1. You cannot seriously deny that you are a cohort of the Breezy, abc123 clan. I am equally disappointed to see someone re-register as a conservative, then go out of your way to derail two endorsed conservative candidates in a most unsavory personal way.

    2. I have indeed voted for and supported Amatura in all his years as Councilmember and Highway Superintendent. Had he stayed Democrat I would have supported him again. He was an excellent councilmember and highway superintendent.

    I did not like his party re-registration ploy and playing along with the colluded Democrat-Republican Party Machiavellian conspiracy to usurp the endorsements of all political parties, thereby suppressing voter voice – my voice as I abhor voting on either Democrat or Republican lines – as I have stated for years.

    I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the way Diane Terranova was treated when she ran for Town Clerk. She was the most qualified candidate then too.

    It’s politics. And although John Pilato may not have Amatura’s experience, he is well thought of by co-workers within town Parks and Highway Departments. In fact, wasn’t it Amatura who recommended Pilato for the Forestry Supervisor position when he worked in the Highway Department?

    Pilato will do just fine. We all have to retire at some point!
    Spot on Lee.

    gorja, I have most often times, agreed with your political assessment(s). There are times, I have disagreed. That being said, I do believe we shared the same respect regardless of difference of opinions.

    I feel Amatura has served his constituents well in the past, but agree that it is time for fresh eyes. Danny has been in way too long. He has supported John Pilato in the past and perhaps it is time that someone with fresh eyes have an opportunity to make some changes or to continue to carry on Danny's policies.

    Breezy can be astute as we all have seen...

    Dirty politics lately has been a bit too nasty. I hope you & Lee can continue to maintain your respectful friendship.

    May the best person win....

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    Originally posted Lee Chowaniec:
    In fact, wasn’t it Amatura who recommended Pilato for the Forestry Supervisor position when he worked in the Highway Department?

    That position wasn't created until May 15, 2019. At that time, Pilato was an employee of the Parks, Recreation, and Forestry Department.
    Pilato got that position as Michelle Barbaro explained because they had to have someone in that position that was licensed to inject trees for the Ash borer.
    Why the department head didn't seek licensure is beyond me?

    Georgia L Schlager

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post

    That position wasn't created until May 15, 2019. At that time, Pilato was an employee of the Parks, Recreation, and Forestry Department.
    Pilato got that position as Michelle Barbaro explained because they had to have someone in that position that was licensed to inject trees for the Ash borer.
    Why the department head didn't seek licensure is beyond me?

    Interesting that she didn't seek pesticide licensing for application especially knowing Lubera was retiring in the future.

    At the same time, they needed someone licensed to fill the position, Pilato was licensed and Amatura spoke up for him getting the position - a Supervisory position in Forestry. He will do just fine.

    Dan has served the town well. The time is right for him to retire. He doesn't need this **** anymore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post
    I have been befuddled all summer as to your change of heart towards Superintendent Amatura.
    It's intellectual dishonesty, gorga. It's intellectual dishonesty, Readers.

    It's that simple.

    I know what I would say to Leon if it were me running. Of course I can't speak for Dan Amatura. I've never met Dan. I do think Dan is doing a great job. If it were me I'd say Lee I don't want your vote. You can take your vote and shove it along with your Preparation H. Yeah, where the sun don't shine.



    Lee Chowaniec states that he's sore because Diane Terranova did not win the support of fellow Democrats and she was not endorsed by the local committee in 2019. Like Dan Amatura had anything to do with that? He's the highway superintendent for crying out loud. His career with private and municipal road construction, bridge reconstruction, snowplowing, and he now serves with distinction as town highway superintendent; and he's done a great job at that. He's not running the local Democratic committee. To include that in Lee's sorry excuse is laughable. And it's intellectual dishonesty.

    "We all have to retire at some point," Lee also states. Give me a break. Who the hell is he to judge when another person should retire? Maybe the man feels he has more to offer. Maybe he feels his opponent isn't up to the job, since he would know after working with John Pilato. Just because Lee Chowaniec has retired does that me everyone else has to, also? Please! Another sorry excuse.

    Then Chowaniec goes on about the change in political party affiliation.

    So what!

    This isn't something out of the ordinary.

    Heck, Lee Chowaniec, have you not read Had enough yet lately ??? The diatribe published on this website since January 14, 2017 ??? Lee had posted his attention-seeking attacks on the Democratic Party to the tune of 3,021 posts! Most are his. Most are also demagogic. A lot promote authoritarian themes. Some are absolutely ludicrous. It's a hate site always attacking Democrats, and always misleadingly stating that wild fringe-type Democrats dominate the party when nothing can be further from the truth. You would think that crazy fringe types like AOC are running the Democratic Party when that simply is not the case. Most Dems are aligned with leaders like Senator Joe Manchin. Most are middle of the road.

    Is it any wonder people like Dan Amatura left the Democratic Party ?? He's not the only one. We also see it nationally with all the crap people like Lee Chowaniec spew on a daily basis. It's a damned if you do, Readers, damned if you don't kind of thing. Especially if you are an elected official. Lee Chowaniec incessantly maligns the Democratic Party, yet, when you leave the Democratic Party Lee Chowaniec maligns you for leaving. It's hypocrisy and duplicity combined. Again, it's intellectual dishonesty on steroids, Readers.

    How do you deal with someone like that ???

    Lee attacks President Biden for being old and frail, yet, when you hear Lee speak to the town board during their public speaking part of their agenda, he sounds the same. Lee thinks Mr. Biden should not be in office, yet, Lee Chowaniec goes nuts when the town board does not follow his lead.

    Who care Readers? Who really cares?

    That's why I say Lee Chowaniec take you vote and shove it! Who needs your vote anyway ??

    I wrote a bit about Mr. Pilato when he announced his candidacy. He also was intellectually dishonest. In his letter announcing his candidacy he pledged a positive campaign. He wrote that in the first paragraph. Then he went on to rip Mr. Amatura apart in the very same letter. He's gone negative ever since. Mr. Amatura ran a positive campaign during the primary election. Mr. Pilato's entire primary effort was negative. Mr. Chowaniec highlights the negative tone of the Democrats in the general, but, he ignores the negative tone of the Republicans. The Republicans went negative all the way. They started it. Now the Dems are giving some measure of payback.

    Who could blame them ???



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    brainless, you are as crass as you are stupid. TRY TO FOCUS. No nap again today? Remember where we were just three days ago? Try to remember, you were sure Adam Dickman was going to jail for the distribution of pornography? What happened? So you've moved on to Pilato? There are two more on our slate. Don't forget to give them some love.
    Frank Lee Speaking....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Lee Blunt View Post
    brainless, you are as crass as you are stupid. TRY TO FOCUS. No nap again today? Remember where we were just three days ago? Try to remember, you were sure Adam Dickman was going to jail for the distribution of pornography? What happened? So you've moved on to Pilato? There are two more on our slate. Don't forget to give them some love.
    Got it!


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    brainless, where's Super Woman Wallace to clear this all up. She's all over it on her FB page. She could have easily stopped over to the municipal bldg today after she stood on the town hall steps.
    Monica you are going to get your payback next election cycle here in Lancaster.

    Let's get to work and see what the heck Bill Cansdale's is doing down there at the DPW Super Woman. Either that or quiet down
    Frank Lee Speaking....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Lee Blunt View Post
    brainless, where's Super Woman Wallace to clear this all up. She's all over it on her FB page. She could have easily stopped over to the municipal bldg today after she stood on the town hall steps.
    Monica you are going to get your payback next election cycle here in Lancaster.

    Let's get to work and see what the heck Bill Cansdale's is doing down there at the DPW Super Woman. Either that or quiet down
    Got it!


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    I could not imagine openly stating that you make decisions on years old, sour grapes, inside baseball party affiliations and endorsements even if it means voting out the better man for the job…and thinking that you have an opinion that matters and will resonate with people who just want their streets plowed and roads in good repair.

    Maximum hubris, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc123 View Post
    I could not imagine openly stating that you make decisions on years old, sour grapes, inside baseball party affiliations and endorsements even if it means voting out the better man for the job…and thinking that you have an opinion that matters and will resonate with people who just want their streets plowed and roads in good repair.

    Maximum hubris, imo.
    Voter suppression is not an insignificant matter; it is an issue of urgent relevance if one values a free election.

    The issue in the 2021 primary campaign, as I understood it, was a widespread perception that the cross-endorsements were a dark machination which smacked of backroom political wheeling and dealing.

    Many primary voters and unaffiliated residents felt that the cross-endorsements were undertaken for the unsavory purpose of preserving the interests of the REP/DEM Swamp, and were touted without regard to voter choice in the general election.

    That issue did appear to resonate with the Republican and Conservative Party faithful on June 22, and that resentment may still be present as Lancaster moves toward a final decision on Election Day.

    Quote Originally Posted by abc123 View Post
    ...and thinking that you have an opinion that matters and will resonate with people who just want their streets plowed and roads in good repair.

    Maximum hubris, imo.
    Furthermore, the comment illustrated immediately above, is of such condescending gall, that it recalls with the attitude which attended this famous saying:

    "Mussolini made the trains run on time"

    Your unjustifiably arrogant and substantially clueless remarks, echo the futile repetition of an endless game of tick tack toe, eh XXX000?
    Last edited by mark blazejewski; October 26th, 2021 at 11:21 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post
    Voter suppression is not an insignificant matter; it is an issue of urgent relevance if one values a free election.
    The issue in the 2021 primary campaign, as I understood it, was a widespread perception that the cross-endorsements were a dark machination which smacked of backroom political wheeling and dealing.
    you understand that these are not the same thing, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc123 View Post
    you understand that these are not the same thing, right?
    Here, let me help you out by adding some of that vaunted context to fully address your rather simple-minded question:

    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post
    Voter suppression is not an insignificant matter; it is an issue of urgent relevance if one values a free election.

    The issue in the 2021 primary campaign, as I understood it, was a widespread perception that the cross-endorsements were a dark machination which smacked of backroom political wheeling and dealing.

    Many primary voters and unaffiliated residents felt that the cross-endorsements were undertaken for the unsavory purpose of preserving the interests of the REP/DEM Swamp, and were touted without regard to voter choice in the general election.

    That issue did appear to resonate with the Republican and Conservative Party faithful on June 22, and that resentment may still be present as Lancaster moves toward a final decision on Election Day.
    To those of us who value value voter choice and the civic health that a rigorous campaign affords, they are the same thing.

    Moreover, the Lancaster primary voters resoundingly, seemed to have recognized the equivalence.

    Had the collusive efforts of those advancing the cross-endorsement agenda prevailed, Lancaster voters would not have had a choice of candidates, right? You do understand that Lancaster voters now have a choice of candidates, right?

    Had the cross-endorsements prevailed, the Lancaster voters and residents would have been deprived of a rigorous campaign, right? You do understand that we engage here on social media because Lancaster now enjoys a rigorous, if not dirty, campaign, right?

    Thank God for the discernment of the Lancaster voter. Regrettably, their wisdom did not prevail upon your obsessively-partisan mind frame, eh?
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