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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    Freedom of speech?

    Interesting!

    Where is the line drawn when two people expressing different opinions, and the one decides they have been offended by the other’s position? More so, when the discussion centers on subject matter that involves immigration, gender, race, etc. and the charge goes from offensive to ‘hate speech’?

    Why is it okay for celebrities in our country to publicly say: “F*** Trump? To call him a ‘racist’? Carry around a mock severed head of Trump? Call him Hitler. But the public must remain silent on expressing opinions that are not ‘politicly correct’ for fear of reprisal?
    How are you being silenced when you write and you write right here?

    Seems to not make sense to me. This whole thread demonstrates the opposite of silence. Correct me if I am wrong?

    I'm sure there's a lot of people out there with a few choice words for Democrats when they're in the comfort of their own lair. Heck, didn't Trump say a while back that he had the bikers and gun rights advocates? That seems like a pretty tough bunch to me and a group of folks who wouldn't mince words when they're mad at someone. Just saying. And they have every right to say whatever the heck is on their mind.

    You take it far too seriously but then you hit the Dems yourself!

    I've heard a lot of trash talk from the "other" side too but that's the way it goes. Of course when you cross the line like the severed head that's terrible, in my view. But, on the other side I've seem the antics of that disgusting slob Kid Rock. LOL

    "politically correct" is so 1980s anyway, why are you even using that as a slight then you decry the very thing? This whole thread is not politically correct!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

    The Trump administration sanctions, mostly notably their tight restrictions on exports of Iran’s oil, are a big reason for the shortfall. The sanctions are meant to pressure Iran into renegotiating the 2015 nuclear agreement between Iran and major world powers, which President Trump abandoned, calling it too weak.

    Does this mean Trump will be blamed for the deaths of the Iranians?

    Will the Democrats rise up and advocate for another $150 billion to be shipped to Iran?


    Does this mean Trump will be blamed for the deaths of the Iranians? NO!

    Will the Democrats rise up and advocate for another $150 billion to be shipped to Iran? NO!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Does this mean Trump will be blamed for the deaths of the Iranians? NO!

    Will the Democrats rise up and advocate for another $150 billion to be shipped to Iran? NO!
    Rhetorical questions!

    Thought you would have known better.

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    [QUOTE=Breezy;1904276]

    How are you being silenced when you write and you write right here?

    Seems to not make sense to me. This whole thread demonstrates the opposite of silence. Correct me if I am wrong?
    This thread, yes. It pertains to me and this thread and site. For others fear of expressing opinion in public is constrained because of fear of repeisal

    Unlike you, I have never been banned in the near 20 years I have been posting on Speakup. And in all that time I have used my name and as a ‘blank’ wrote posts unfavorable to all political parties.

    Unlike you, I rarely post on any other thread but Lancaster. You troll the entire site defending the Democratic Party as a political operative is expected to do.

    I'm sure there's a lot of people out there with a few choice words for Democrats when they're in the comfort of their own lair.
    But not Democrats for Republicans, right?

    Heck, didn't Trump say a while back that he had the bikers and gun rights advocates? That seems like a pretty tough bunch to me and a group of folks who wouldn't mince words when they're mad at someone. Just saying. And they have every right to say whatever the heck is on their mind.
    An utter asinine example to foster divisiveness.

    Free speech is no longer guaranteed to some who in a discussion with someone in opposition who cannot present facts and/or control the narrative, will then label the other racist, sexist, xenophobic or just plain deplorable.

    You take it far too seriously but then you hit the Dems yourself!
    As I do Trump and Republicans. It's the taking the Dems to task that really irritates you.

    I've heard a lot of trash talk from the "other" side too but that's the way it goes. Of course when you cross the line like the severed head that's terrible, in my view. But, on the other side I've seem the antics of that disgusting slob Kid Rock. LOL
    Kid Rock is disgusting. So is a mob of left-leaning liberals.

    If you are currently happy with the national politics played by the Democratic Party, rock on! Others may have a different view. You’re okay with that, right? They have the freedom to express an opinion, right?

    "politically correct" is so 1980s anyway, why are you even using that as a slight then you decry the very thing? This whole thread is not politically correct!
    1980’s? You sure? I don’t remember that term (or identity politics) used in the 1980's - except in the past ten years.

    How so is this 'whole thread' politicly incorrect? Because someone dared to oppose your opinion? Elaborate for a change.

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    Just reading headlines from different media outlets exemplifies the hatred, divisiveness, hysteria and hyperbole that permeates our country. BS to the max!

    Hillary Clinton: Trump Incited Violent Mass Shootings at Synagogues, Churches and Walmart

    Warren: ‘Trump Embarrasses America on the World Stage’…

    Pope Francis Compares Trump to Herod, Who Tried to Kill Jesus

    Pelosi warns: 'Civilization as we know it today is at stake' in 2020

    Don Lemon: The whole world is laughing at Trump

    Jonathan Turley 'inundated with threatening messages' after testimony opposing Trump impeachment

    Cory Booker Implies Democrats Are Racist For Not Putting Him On December Debate Stage

    Democrats could lose to Trump if they abandon Obamacare and private health insurance

    Booker and Castro accuse DNC of excluding minorities

    More Billionaires Than Blacks Running For Prez, Cory Booker Warns

    Here's how Trump could be impeached, removed from office, and still win re-election in 2020

    OOPS! WH: SCHIFF HAS WRONG PHONE NUMBER IN IMPEACHMENT REPORT

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    Guilt by association – again

    The following Buffalo News ‘Letter-to-the Editor’ depicts the conviction held by radical leftists fostered by their hatred of Trump. It is one thing to hate the man, but unjust / irrational to paint with a broad brushstroke anyone who voted for the man as equally culpable for holding same positions.

    The ‘never Trumpers’ fail to realize there are many ‘never Hillary’ voters who voted for Trump in 2016 for that very reason. The attached rant by an individual who is supposed to belong to a party of tolerance and inclusiveness does nothing more than to incite undecided voters to vote in opposition.

    Instead of bashing Trump along with his supporters, it would be refreshing to hear from the Trump haters what they love about the Democratic Party. What the party is going to do if elected into office in 2020 to enrich the lives of hard-working, patriotic American citizens.

    Many of us who voted for Trump and have been labeled deplorable consider the source. The following scurrilous allegations are what is deplorable!

    Trump supporters embrace chief’s deplorable behavior


    As I mused over a recent self-admitted deplorable’s letter spouting all things American (Donald Trump), It occurred to me that Trump voters ascribe to certain tenants in Trump world, whether they admit it or not.

    If you now vote for this president, you tolerate women being sexually assaulted, abused, defiled, intimidated and mocked as acceptable.

    You look at the destruction of the world environment at its alarming pace (spare me the whole “hoax” thing) as just not important.
    You wink at corruption, denigration, verbal abuse and attacking fellow Americans and just look the other way. You see pathological lying every day (13,000 and counting) from the leader of the free world as no big deal.

    You’re very quiet when suppression of a free press happens (and it does). You surely don’t object when Trump defies and orders his sycophants to refuse to cooperate with a co-equal branch of government. Governance and legislation? Who cares? Golfing and going to adoring pep rallies are enough for you.

    You like tough guys like Vladimir Putin, MbS (Mohammed bin Salman) and Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    You could care less about the Kurds (even as they died by the thousands doing the dirty work on ISIS).

    Most recently you discovered that “good order & discipline” is, well, overrated. You find that “make America white again” sounds about right.

    What’s more important than anything is your 401K. And most of all, you stand firm that this president is above the law, that he can do whatever he wants with impunity.

    You expect that he will never be held accountable for anything, ever, even as he shreds the very fabric of our democracy. And you would vote for him even if he did
    shoot someone on Fifth Avenue.

    Well Trumpers, you don’t want a president and a democracy, you want a king and a monarchy.

    And this we know too, that on Nov. 3, 2020, America will get the presidency it deserves.


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    Sen. Elizabeth Warren earned nearly $2 million consulting for corporations and financial firms, records show

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elect...cid=spartandhp

    Ah, if there were only time and money to investigate every politician and lobbyist in Washington.

    LMAO that even the Democratic Party has had enough of the likes of Warren, Sanders and Biden and they are getting disparaged.

    It is becoming more obvious by day to all that the Dems have nothing going for them except impeachment as the only way to prevent Trump’s 2020 re-election - remove him from office, and that isn’t going to happen.

    I believe the ‘rich’ should pay more in taxes than they now do. However, being rich is relative to one’s status. I would consider someone as rich as earning over $2 million per year or having like accumulative wealth.

    Why not tax the politicians and celebrities more who have wealth and would not fall under the new criteria set by the likes of Warren and Sanders, especially considering the wealth they have? Warren reportedly is worth $13 million. That is rich in my world.

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    If you have been religiously following the impeachment hearings, listened to the Horowitz hearing BS and followed the Mueller investigation, and have taken a position strongly favoring either side, you must be a moron. They all suck!

    Nearly two-thirds of Americans in a poll released last month by The Associated Press, the NORC Center for Public Affairs Research and USAFacts said they often come across one-sided information and 47% said they have difficulty knowing if information is true.

    Three years of Congress wasting our country’s resources and good will all for the purpose of political gain and certainly not in the best interest of the country.
    The Democrats still can’t get over the 2016 loss, hate the man and for good reason, will not get him removed from office, but hope to bloody him enough to put him in a position to lose the 2020 election. That’s all they have going for them.

    The Democrats still can’t figure Trump out. He is eating their lunch while they continue to embarrass themselves.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...eat-democrats/

    That’s it?

    After three years in which Democrats accused President Trump of a host of criminal acts — from bribery and extortion to campaign finance violations, obstruction of justice, conspiracy and even treason — they have finally introduced articles of impeachment that allege none of those things. Not only have they dropped the charge of bribery, the words that gripped Washington — “quid pro quo” — don’t even appear in the document.

    This is a major retreat by Democrats, who have effectively admitted the president did not commit any statutory crimes. Indeed, if these articles are approved, this will be the first presidential impeachment in history in which no statutory crimes are even alleged. In that alone, Trump can claim vindication.
    Instead, Democrats settled on two noncriminal allegations: obstruction of Congress and abuse of power.

    Both charges are farcical.


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    Farcical, indeed.

    The future of things to come by the Republicans should this impeachment gain traction. Especially considering the Dems considered impeachment measures against Bush and Reagan to remove them from office because they knew they couldn’t stop their re-election.

    Consider that, among many other abuses, the inspector general found that Comey’s team inserted at least 17 “inaccurate, incomplete or unsupported” assertions in an application under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to conduct the most intrusive surveillance the government can inflict on an American citizen, let alone a presidential campaign. And Comey arrogantly claims he has been exonerated by the IG report.

    The Dems can’t seem to get a handle on that proverbial axiom: “When in a hole stop digging.”

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    Pelosi says House may withhold impeachment articles, delaying Senate trial

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...249_story.html

    Seriously?

    After FISA, Comey, the Mueller report, the Horowitz report, the lame articles of impeachment charges of bribery, abuse of power, obstruction, high crimes and misdemeanors from the Ukrainian phone call, the Dems have the gall to be concerned about a fair trial in the Senate. Hasn't the same abuse of power been exhibited by the Dems?

    The Dems declare they have a slam-dunk position yet need more witnesses. Why?

    The Dems have even asked to have McConnell recuse himself because he dared to express that he would not vote for impeachment prior to the Senate Hearing.

    Impeachment is not going to happen. The Dems will play this delay game until election knowing the only way to beat Trump is to mercilessly demonize him. They have nothing going for them in the way of a strong presidential candidate; or platform.

    How sad that our country has to be put through this **** from both sides! The new political normal. We deserve better,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    Pelosi says House may withhold impeachment articles, delaying Senate trial






    The Dems have even asked to have McConnell recuse himself because he dared to express that he would not vote for impeachment prior to the Senate Hearing.
    If Trump is acquitted, some members of the Socialist-controlled House have vowed to keep an Impeachment process ongoing as long as Trump is President.

    In the event that the Articles of Impeachment are not delivered, the Socialist House leadership may justify such a decision with the charge that the adopted Senate Rules reflect obvious prejudicial, preordained "interference" in the anticipated Senate Impeachment trial, AND the 2020 election.

    Of course such Senate Rules will have been occasioned by Trump-McConnell collusion.

    A more thoughtful Impeachment inquiry may be aimed Chief Justice John Roberts.

    If his rulings do not completely honor the House Impeachment Managers, perhaps Nadler and Schiff can hunt down Socialist Constitutional scholars, who will offer their perceptions of those pesky Federalist Papers, alleging Roberts-Hamilton-Madison collusion, eh?

    You're right Lee, we deserve better.
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    Awww, poor Snowflakes, whining and pouting as your God is impeached!

    Poor fellas!

    And to think some of these Republican clowns actually compared Trump to Jesus on the cross????

    Of course we all see more delusion right here in this thread!!!

    Actually, Mark, we do deserve better: How about President Pence?

    At lease he's not a lunatic!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Actually, Mark, we do deserve better: How about President Pence?



    I love that idea Breezy, and I hope you feel the same way in 2024.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Awww, poor Snowflakes, whining and pouting as your God is impeached!

    Poor fellas!

    And to think some of these Republican clowns actually compared Trump to Jesus on the cross????

    Of course we all see more delusion right here in this thread!!!

    Actually, Mark, we do deserve better: How about President Pence?

    At lease he's not a lunatic!

    Whoa, Pence is it now? No Democratic president candidate worthy of consideration or strong enough to defeat Trump? Articles of impeachment so weak they will not be handed over to the Senate under the guise that a fair trial is not possible. No criminal act. Threat to national security my ass!

    Trump’s abuse of power and lies in evidence but not so on the part of the Dems; seriously?

    Sad that Trump may be voted back into office because the Dems have provided no reason for anyone to believe they have the country’s best interest in mind – that instead they have spent time, resources and national good will to impeach a president before he even took office.

    Trump can certainly be obnoxious as is on display with his Dingell statement. Considering 90% of the media reporting on him is negative, his supposed 14,000 lies, and all other shortcomings, a robust economy, low unemployment and recent trade and other accomplishments will ensure his re-election.

    People have had enough of this farcical impeachment process. A total waste of time and embarrassment to remove a president they can't vote out of office.

    Tonight’s Democratic debate should be interesting – especially now that the Dem candidates are actually challenging each other’s positions. At least Buttigieg does not appear to be a socialist wacko.

    What Democratic presidential candidate do you favor, Breezy? Oh, I forgot you don’t answer questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post

    Trump can certainly be obnoxious as is on display with his Dingell statement.
    No clean hands in this atmosphere Lee. Ergo, just another shallow issue for the Left to hang its hat on, and without regard to its own potty-mouth comments directed at the Trump family, just my opinion of course.

    How about the horrible, false, and disgust suggestions about Trump and his daughter: "Wear something soft and sexy and talk to Daddy," or words to that effect?

    How about the cheap shots directed at our First Lady, including accusations of plagiarism?

    How about the abusive remarks about young Baron Trump?

    Lee, you and I remember a time when such comments had no place in politics. That value seemed to have been reduced with the first reference to "Plastic Pat" in 1969, and it only further deteriorated.

    Personally, absent direct participation in the political/governance process, like "The Hunter," I feel that families should be left out of critical discourse.

    But, with the standard now lowered, what is good for the goose, is good for the gander, or something like that.

    As you say Lee, we can do better, and I fully agree.
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