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    Hey Mark:

    I found your Market Watch report relevant, but at the same time more interesting and poignant as to the following:

    GPS: Then again, the current U.S. president does not really represent the values of an open and free society.

    SOROS: Well, that is a weakness that I hope will not last very long. Donald Trump would like to be a dictator. But he cannot be one because there is a constitution in the United States that people still respect. And it will prevent him from doing certain things. That does not mean that he will not try, because he is literally fighting for his life. I will also say that I have put my faith in Trump to destroy himself, and he has exceeded my wildest expectations.


    Trump doesn’t represent the values of an open and free society? Really? In comparison to a Marxist socialist form of government which values open borders, illegal immigration / immigrant equal rights, sanctuary cities, voting privileges for felon prisoners, free stuff, etc.?

    GPS: Is that the biggest problem of the current situation — this lack of certainty about how to deal with this virus and how to proceed in the coming months or years?

    SOROS: It is certainly a very big one. We are learning very fast, and we now know a lot more about the virus than we did when it emerged, but we are shooting at a moving target because the virus itself changes rapidly. It will take a long time to develop a vaccine. And even after we have developed one, we will have to learn how to change it every year, because the virus will most likely change. That’s what we do with the flu shot every year.


    Spot on! It’s here to stay and even with a future vaccine it will impact the country like the flu. Time to open the country and stop the economic devastation.

    GPS: Could this crisis bring people — and nation-states — closer together?

    SOROS: In the long run, yes. At the present time, people are dominated by fear. And fear very often makes people hurt themselves. That is true of individuals as well as institutions, nations, and humanity itself.

    Dominated by fear, indeed – fear resulting from the left and liberal news media weaponizing the virus to remove their hated nemesis, president Trump.

    So many modeling inaccuracies, data errors as to number / death cause, virus country of origin and transparency, delayed response blame game – all Trump’s fault, eh? NOT!

    I find it reprehensible when some tell me that it appears to them that the left and liberal media appear to revel in any negative news as a way of blaming Trump to undermine his political position. To weaponize this virus for self-serving political gain over he best interests of its citizens is appalling!

    We are so screwed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post

    GPS: Then again, the current U.S. president does not really represent the values of an open and free society.
    Lee, the interviewer's choice of words is to me, very curious.

    GPS does not observe "...the values of an open and free nation; GPS refers to "an open and free society."

    Curious to know if that was a deliberate distinction,because Donald Trump is the President of the United States, not an elitist head of a one world government, or the singular facilitator of a disorganized humanity inhabiting the landmass of the former United States.

    To the Globalist Soros, is "society" perhaps is synonymous with "humankind;" the sum component of the Globalist wet dream which is the "New World Order?"

    SOROS SAYS:

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    Donald Trump would like to be a dictator.
    A comment of "Projection."

    Juxtapose Trump's Covid decisions and policies with, in my opinion, the tyrannical tactics applied by the Leftist Governors of New York and Michigan.

    SOROS SAYS:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    ...there is a constitution in the United States that people still respect. And it will prevent him from doing certain things.
    I note that Soros does not say that "there is a Constitution in the United States that we still respect;" he says that "there is a Constitution in the United States that people still respect."

    Why does he make a third-person reference to those who respect the Constitution?

    In any event, the comment in the quoted area is reflective of "Tactics."

    Since before the inauguration, going back to the Wi., Pa., and Michigan recounts and the sitting of the Electoral College, and continuing through the Mueller fraud and the Impeachment debacle, the Left has, IMHO, faithfully and fully perverted the Constitution and weaponized the charter document against a duly elected President of the United States.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    GPS: Is that the biggest problem of the current situation — this lack of certainty about how to deal with this virus and how to proceed in the coming months or years?

    SOROS: ... but we are shooting at a moving target because the virus itself changes rapidly. It will take a long time to develop a vaccine. And even after we have developed one, we will have to learn how to change it every year, because the virus will most likely change. That’s what we do with the flu shot every year.
    Do those observations seem to suggest that Covid may very well serve as a perpetual crisis, holding built-in "necessities," which may be resurrected at anytime, perhaps to apply the already established template for economic catastrophe and civil oppression?


    To wit, the more viruses, the more fear. The the more fear, the more need for state and federal mandates (forced vaccines and tracking?) and interventions. The more governmental interventions, the more economic calamity. The more economic calamity, the more government control. The more government control, the more loss of personal freedom.

    Sing "Kumbya" to that litany, because we will be at the mercy of Covid, whether created as a bioweapon in a lab, or mutated from a strictly natural source, but intentionally weaponized against the world, and specifically, against our nation.

    Lee Says, and Mark Agrees:


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    We are so screwed!
    But what do we know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post
    Lee, the interviewer's choice of words is to me, very curious.

    GPS does not observe "...the values of an open and free nation; GPS refers to "an open and free society."

    Curious to know if that was a deliberate distinction,because Donald Trump is the President of the United States, not an elitist head of a one world government, or the singular facilitator of a disorganized humanity inhabiting the landmass of the former United States.

    To the Globalist Soros, is "society" perhaps is synonymous with "humankind;" the sum component of the Globalist wet dream which is the "New World Order?"

    SOROS SAYS:



    A comment of "Projection."

    Juxtapose Trump's Covid decisions and policies with, in my opinion, the tyrannical tactics applied by the Leftist Governors of New York and Michigan.

    SOROS SAYS:



    I note that Soros does not say that "there is a Constitution in the United States that we still respect;" he says that "there is a Constitution in the United States that people still respect."

    Why does he make a third-person reference to those who respect the Constitution?

    In any event, the comment in the quoted area is reflective of "Tactics."

    Since before the inauguration, going back to the Wi., Pa., and Michigan recounts and the sitting of the Electoral College, and continuing through the Mueller fraud and the Impeachment debacle, the Left has, IMHO, faithfully and fully perverted the Constitution and weaponized the charter document against a duly elected President of the United States.




    Do those observations seem to suggest that Covid may very well serve as a perpetual crisis, holding built-in "necessities," which may be resurrected at anytime, perhaps to apply the already established template for economic catastrophe and civil oppression?


    To wit, the more viruses, the more fear. The the more fear, the more need for state and federal mandates (forced vaccines and tracking?) and interventions. The more governmental interventions, the more economic calamity. The more economic calamity, the more government control. The more government control, the more loss of personal freedom.

    Sing "Kumbya" to that litany, because we will be at the mercy of Covid, whether created as a bioweapon in a lab, or mutated from a strictly natural source, but intentionally weaponized against the world, and specifically, against our nation.

    Lee Says, and Mark Agrees:


    But what do we know?
    Apparently, we know nothing and will continue to be labeled 'deplorables'.

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    This Article In "Politico" Sucks!

    The Left wants the Federal Government to control your every move and regulate every aspect of your life, as long as that government is friendly to a Globalist, or a Socialist, or a Communist agenda; for personal freedom and American exceptionalism, philosophies without significant distinctions.

    What twisted, opportunistic hypocrites!

    With that said, if you really want to get pissed-off read this article in "The Politico."

    If the President of the United States does not have the fundamental Constitutional power and authority to "preserve, protect, and defend" the First Amendment guarantee of the free exercise of religion, what exactly is the function of its office, the purpose of the Bill of Rights, or the established federal government?

    Today for President Trump, there lurks with some oppressive governors, potential showdowns worthy of the significance and drama of President Kennedy's stand against George Wallace at the University of Alabama.

    In 1963 Alabama, the issue was the desegregation of a public university. At that time, President Kennedy removed a bigoted villain who was blocking a schoolhouse door.

    In 2020, the issue is the perceived prohibition of the FREE exercise of religion. In this year of crisis, President Trump necessarily, must cast-out the oppressive demons standing between the faithful and their God.





    Trump ordered states to open churches. Can he do that?

    The Justice Department's own actions show just how little power the president has to force the outcome he wants.


    By JOSH GERSTEIN

    05/23/2020 08:21 AM EDT


    President Donald Trump is making a show of siding with religious groups in their clashes with state and local authorities — but his own Justice Department’s actions are exposing the challenges involved in trying to bring the federal government's power to bear on the issue.

    The president’s sweeping pronouncement Friday that states must treat all churches and other houses of worship as essential under coronavirus lockdown orders “right now” was met with a now familiar chorus of reaction from critics and legal commentators that he has no authority to issue such a directive.

    “The president doesn’t have that power,” said Rachel Laser of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. “The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution forbids the federal government from strongarming the states. These are reckless exaggerations that are obviously aimed at pandering to his base.”

    Some dismissed Trump’s rhetoric as election-year bluster not tethered to reality.

    “President Trump’s statement on its face sounds more like political grandstanding than any actual enforcement of laws protecting religious freedom,” said Anthony Romero of the American Civil Liberties Union. “The states are accorded great deference and, in fact, the governors are the ones who are in the saddle on most of these judgment calls, notwithstanding the president’s thoughts and desires.”

    As is often the case, Trump was long on bravado and short on explanation for how he planned to force his views on state leaders who declined to go along.

    “Allow these very important, essential places of faith to open right now for this weekend. If they don’t do it, I will override the governors,” he insisted, before departing as reporters clamored for answers about the purported federal mandate.

    Even his Harvard Law-trained press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, struggled to explain about how the president would implement such an order, dismissing questions about the idea as “hypothetical” and lashing out at reporters for their supposed lack of faith.

    Despite the lack of detail, the president’s blunt rhetoric put a new spotlight on the federal government’s most prominent effort to try to police state and local stay-at-home orders: a drive announced last month by Attorney General William Barr to pursue those regulations for potential violations of religious liberty, as well as other infringements on the rights of Americans.

    So far, Trump’s promise to come to the rescue of beleaguered congregations has translated into only modest action. The Justice Department has yet to file a lawsuit on behalf of any church, organization or individual over the impact of state or local lockdown orders. Before Friday, its only court action was submitting what amounted to friend-of-the-court briefs in just two pandemic-related suits involving churches: one against a small Mississippi city and another against Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam.

    The claims the federal government has made in the litigation have also been modest. Justice Department lawyers did not advance any argument on par with Trump’s broad assertion Friday that houses of worship are universally essential. Instead, DOJ attorneys have made the narrower argument that some churches are being subject to an unfair double-standard, especially when compared to businesses deemed essential and allowed to remain open, like liquor stores.

    A top federal prosecutor said Friday that tallying up the number of Justice Department court filings doesn’t take account of how DOJ lawyers have prompted revision of some onerous local policies simply by reaching out to mayors and local officials.

    "Although the existence of a pandemic might be considered extraordinary, it does not call for federal intervention in state proceedings."


    “There may have been few lawsuits filed, but there have been a lot of back-channel, government-to-government calls made,” Zachary Terwilliger, the U.S. Attorney based in Alexandria, Va., told POLITICO. “Folks have decided to stand down once they realize we’re serious and this is not just rhetoric.”

    Terwillinger welcomed Trump’s statements Friday and said the idea that churches are essential has a compelling, common-sense logic to it.

    “If we’re in a situation where we’ve got Wal-Mart open with social distancing, why not church? This is essential for some people…. This is as essential as a liquor store, as essential as a tattoo parlor,” the prosecutor and former senior Justice Department official said.

    Critics said Trump’s comments may not have been tied to any federal action, but rather to encourage churchgoers and ministers to defy state officials, precipitating on-the-ground conflicts and bad publicity that governors would likely avoid by softening their virus-related activity bans.

    Trump’s statements “mislead people and embolden people to defy important public safety orders and put everyone at risk,” Laser said.

    Trump’s drive to re-open churches comes despite a growing body of evidence tying church services to serious outbreaks of coronavirus. Just Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control released a warning about Arkansas church meetings in March where more than a third of 92 attendees wound up infected. Another 26 members of the community wound up hit by the virus. Four people died.

    Similar church-focused outbreaks have been reported in Washington state, South Korea and France. Experts theorize that hand-holding, singing and the fellowship typical of church services create robust vectors to transmit the virus, particularly through airborne droplets.

    Laser said those episodes undercut the notion that going to church is just like going to the liquor store or Home Depot. “If you start to think about the activity, it’s very different than going to purchase whiskey,” she said. “Liquor stores don’t exist as community places of gathering where there are going to be exchanges of germs…The distinction is based in public safety.”

    Several institutional and legal hurdles have limited the Justice Department effort.

    One is that Trump and other federal officials have declared states of emergency over the pandemic that remain in effect. The Justice Department itself has relied on the threat posed by the outbreak to justify a series of extraordinary measures taken by the Trump administration, like shutting down processing of many asylum claims.


    Even as they seek to second-guess aspects of state and local policies, DOJ lawyers have taken care not to dispute that there is a severe threat to public health.

    Romero said the Trump administration’s efforts reek of hypocrisy and politics. “On the one hand, they want to say churches should be open for prayer. On other hand, they allow lawful abortion clinics to be shut down. The hypocrisy in choosing what states’ rights they will challenge which ones to acquiesce to is completely rooted in their own partisan agenda,” the ACLU executive director said.

    Another challenge for the feds is that many states and local governments traditionally have more legal latitude to issue orders and regulations that affect religion than the federal government does.

    The Religious Freedom Restoration Act passed by Congress in 1993 gave churches and individuals the right to sue over even widely applicable laws that interfere with religion. However, in 1997, the Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional to apply the new federal law to states or municipalities. Some states have passed their own RFRA laws, but they don’t all go as far as the federal one.

    Yet another hurdle is that the Justice Department typically conducts some investigation before filing a suit. Lawyers for religious-rights advocacy groups, on the other hand, can and have taken accounts from pastors and rushed to court for a restraining order within a matter of days or hours.

    Organizations like the Alliance Defending Freedom, Liberty Counsel and the Thomas More Society, have embraced such cases with gusto, filing a slew of challenges across the country.

    Laser said most of the efforts to win temporary restraining orders against the lockdowns have fizzled, but at least two federal appeals courts—the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit and the Cincinnati-based 6th Circuit—have stepped in to allow churches to proceed with their services.


    Not all judges are convinced the legal challenges are even the business of federal courts or the Justice Department. The trial-court judge handling the Justice Department-backed suit a Virginia church brought against Northam said in an order Thursday that she believes the dispute belongs in state court, where the pastor can raise a First Amendment defense to the criminal citation he received.

    “Although the existence of a pandemic might be considered extraordinary, it does not call for federal intervention in state proceedings,” Obama appointee Arenda Allen wrote, tweaking conservatives by adopting states-rights principles trumpeted decades ago by opponents of the civil rights movement.

    “If anything, the once-in-a-century nature of a pandemic strengthens the important state interests that counsel against federal intervention,” she added.

    As Trump spoke out on the issue Friday—both at an appearance in the briefing room and to veterans staging an annual Memorial Day motorcycle rally in Washington—the Justice Department did mount what appeared to be a flurry of activity. Terwilliger issued a press release saying the department is “assessing its options” for joining in the Virginia church’s appeal of Arenda’s refusal to issue a restraining order and preliminary injunction in that case.

    Also Friday, the U.S. Attorney in Los Angeles sent a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti expressing concern about comments about possibly continuing lockdown orders there for months. And federal prosecutors in Illinois filed a new statement of interest in a state lawmaker’s suit against Gov. J.B. Pritzker over his stay-at-home orders.

    The latest actions didn’t impress some legal observers.

    “I think the Illinois filing today is pretty powerful evidence that this is all just for show. Not only is DOJ not initiating any cases itself, but it’s making a big deal out of showing up in some of these cases only to make technical arguments about state law,” said University of Texas law professor Stephen Vladeck. “It’s about as weak a federal intervention in these cases as could’ve been expected, and leaves one wondering if the point is just to make it look like the Trump administration is doing more than nothing.”

    Romero said some of the department’s actions could backfire against the government. He noted that the letter to Garcetti is extraordinarily vague, but he vowed to leverage its call for a return to normalcy in some of the ACLU’s pending litigation on behalf of abortion providers.

    “It doesn’t say anything, but it could be quite useful against states who want to close down abortion services,” the ACLU chief said.

    Terwilliger defended the department efforts, saying they were ramping up in part because measures that might have been justified as the outbreak surged in March are now less justifiable as the virus recedes in most areas. State and local officials need to adjust, he said.

    “There’s a difference between now and March 23,” he said. “The strategies and regulations need to take into account that we’re in a different place now."
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    Mark:

    In my mind your post titled ‘This Article In "Politico" Sucks!’ is much ado about nothing.

    This comes from an individual who spent 16 years educated in a Catholic school system, an altar boy for five years and a weekly church attendee for the first half of his life. From a non-practicing church goer, but one who has a personal relationship with God; an individual who no longer received solace attending church for myriad personal reasons but continues to believe in Catholic faith principles.

    Going to church may not be essential for me, but I well understand the comfort others receive in attending. I well understand Trump’s endeavor to open churches for public participation and where the decision of attendance risk lies in the hands of church administrators or the public itself.

    This post statement should weigh heavily in making such a decision regarding attendance:

    Trump’s drive to re-open churches comes despite a growing body of evidence tying church services to serious outbreaks of coronavirus. Just Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control released a warning about Arkansas church meetings in March where more than a third of 92 attendees wound up infected. Another 26 members of the community wound up hit by the virus. Four people died.

    Common sense and risk analysis should dictate whether pastors open their churches for attendance and whether individuals choose to risk attending for their personal wellbeing and/or that of their neighbor – ‘do onto others as you wish them to do to you’. Pastors are already making decisions that their churches will not open for now; that their services will be provided through live-streaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    Mark:

    In my mind your post titled ‘This Article In "Politico" Sucks!’ is much ado about nothing.

    This comes from an individual who spent 16 years educated in a Catholic school system, an altar boy for five years and a weekly church attendee for the first half of his life. From a non-practicing church goer, but one who has a personal relationship with God; an individual who no longer received solace attending church for myriad personal reasons but continues to believe in Catholic faith principles.

    Going to church may not be essential for me, but I well understand the comfort others receive in attending. I well understand Trump’s endeavor to open churches for public participation and where the decision of attendance risk lies in the hands of church administrators or the public itself.

    This post statement should weigh heavily in making such a decision regarding attendance:

    Trump’s drive to re-open churches comes despite a growing body of evidence tying church services to serious outbreaks of coronavirus. Just Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control released a warning about Arkansas church meetings in March where more than a third of 92 attendees wound up infected. Another 26 members of the community wound up hit by the virus. Four people died.

    Common sense and risk analysis should dictate whether pastors open their churches for attendance and whether individuals choose to risk attending for their personal wellbeing and/or that of their neighbor – ‘do onto others as you wish them to do to you’. Pastors are already making decisions that their churches will not open for now; that their services will be provided through live-streaming.

    I agree with your safety concerns Lee, but are the populations in Walmart stores and liquor establishments exempt from contracting the virus?

    If places of worship wish to open with a safety confidence, and faithfully abide by the designated "Social Distancing" protocols as do the stores described above, why should the former not be accorded the same privilege and latitude as the latter?

    If public safety is the governing standard, and the Covid threat still exists as an urgent communicable public health threat, should not those businesses be held to the same standards as the places of worship?

    I guess I am just in search of consistency and fairness, elusive in today's world. In that connection, I guess I am just a little suspicious that certain actors may be inclined to exploit the lock-down for their own purposes, and that should be of equal concern to all, just my opinion.
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    Hey Mark:

    If you are looking for fairness and consistency with the management of Covid-19, especially in New York State, forgidaboudit! Forget about transparency and credibility as well.

    While your concern here lies with church openings being considered as essential as liquor stores and Walmart stores and the like, mine lies elsewhere.

    I am of a generation once older than years, the truly vulnerable. Many of my generation have been terrified to the extent that they are not leaving the house to receive the medical attention / services they require to ensure their continued wellbeing, that is if such services are for open for business – dentist, ophthalmologist, etc. The stay-at-home policy has been equally damaging to the physical / mental health issues and outcome for ‘vulnerable’ seniors.

    Tired of the political BS played by both sides / their lackeys / hired health experts, and a media that fosters fear for the sake of self-interest agendas. Tired of watching my freedom erode – especially by elitist politicos and individuals who try to control my thoughts and free speech by labeling me deplorable, a knuckle dragger, gun toting, terrorist because I dare to opine differently from their ‘irrefutable’ position.

    People are dying from this virus, but how many when we are now hearing deaths attributed to other health related issues are being listed as Covid-19. Truth and transparency?

    Forever a ‘blank’ and with good reason! Don’t piss on my leg and try to tell me that it’s raining!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    Hey Mark:

    If you are looking for fairness and consistency with the management of Covid-19, especially in New York State, forgidaboudit! Forget about transparency and credibility as well.
    Lee, the issue of church openings is a significant element in my list of concerns and suspicions, but your comment goes to the more broader core of my trepidations, especially with regards to the sincerity of the wartime slogan "We Are All In This Together."

    It would be disrespectful for me to lecture you about the two most recent analogous national crisis, The Great Depression and World War Two. For me they are areas of study and hearsay anecdote; for you they remain contemporaneous experiences which impacted your life.

    With that said, permit me just to observe that those crisis truly appeared to effect everyone, and suggestively, with a common intensity.

    There was the empty chair in both Lancaster and Hyde Park. There was a telegram to my uncle's family relating news of a death on Bataan, and there was an equally tragic wire delivered to an Ambassador in Hyannis Port. My grandmother endured the same rationing limitations, as did the White House Chef.

    What appeared to be inspirational during th 1941-1945 period, was the more-or-less equal distribution of tragedy and burden, which served to unify a commonly effected people, and did so with a determination to share a common victory and glory.

    But with Covid, whether by misstep or design, the lack of transparency, fairness, credibility, and management skill, the pandemic appears to have been opportunistically politicized, with woeful schisms diving class against class, state against state, and the "essential" versus the "non-essential."

    More troubling, unlike World War Two , the "War Against Covid" lacks a clear definition of victory.

    Is victory defined by acquiring the essential number of ventilators and hospital beds?

    Is victory defined by "Flattening The Curve?

    Is victory defined by the development of a vaccine or a curative?

    Or, has the accomplishment bar been raised to such a potentially villainous point, vaccine and cure notwithstanding, that victory will be solely defined by the implementation of, and compliance with, the unspecified but oft-touted "New Normal?"

    The misty world of the ill-defined "New Normal" concerns me far more than loosing what is left of my fleeting physical life. Such an existence may mean the destruction of American life as we have known it.

    Just my thoughts Lee.
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    The only semblance in being ‘All in this together’ is that the entire country being impacted by the devastation wrought by this virus.

    After reading today’s liberal Buffalo News, featuring 18 reports from left-of-center Trump hating National News outlets and none from other media outlets, I learned once again that Trump was to blame for everything perceived wrong by the left and received no credit for anything good – that is if he even deserved credit for anything,

    Trump was again cast as totally inept in managing the Covid response, responsible for tanking the economy (not the virus), racist for claiming China as country of virus origin, lacking in any leadership skills, acting unprofessional and belittling others, a womanizer, a sexist who mistreats woman, etc.

    There is much to dislike about Trump and reason to consider what the Democratic Party has to offer. Biden is being portrayed as someone who would have better handled the virus response; yet is the same individual who castigated Trump for shutting the door on China entry. He has a plan we are told. Still waiting for said plan – or is a continuance of shutting down the economy and encouraging individuals to stay home, paying them to do so and further destroying the economy far into the future. The same individual who quarantined himself for two months.

    Biden, the same individual who is looking more and more to the former socialist candidates for advice and catering to them for vote support. All for the sake of votes.

    The same individual endorsed by so-called party elitists who have told us America is no longer a Christian nation and that we don’t need God anymore, we have the Democratic Party.

    A Democratic Party and biased liberal media so hateful of Trump they have no problem playing the blame game but offer nothing in the way of resolve, despairing us with doom and gloom speculation and models more often wrong than right.

    The reporting of Covid-19 deaths is so misleading it bears utmost distrust. The Illinois definition of death by Covid was a startling example of absurdity. If a 22-year-old gets killed in a car crash, but had tested positive for the virus, the death is considered Covid-19.

    Today’s death by Covid in nursing home (as of May 21) reports New York at 20% of total state deaths, lowest in all 50 states. Minnesota highest at 81%. New York at 20%, really? Much higher percentages were earlier being reported.

    Regardless who wins in November, we are so screwed. The country will never be unified again as long as this political party animus with like agendas that result in divisiveness and hatred continues.

    Just my opinion, but then again people are not interested in opinions anymore unless said opinions are their opinions.

    BS to the max! We are so screwed!

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    Just be careful out there. Covid-19 is armed in Washington now.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/repor...navirus-totals

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaksplat View Post
    Just be careful out there. Covid-19 is armed in Washington now.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/repor...navirus-totals
    Thank you for posting this yaksplat. It kind of says it all.

    With such a standard, I guess that it could be stated that John F. Kennedy died of Addison's Disease and that the two, or however many, gunshot wounds were mere interesting irrelevancies.

    What BULLSHLT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaksplat View Post
    Just be careful out there. Covid-19 is armed in Washington now.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/repor...navirus-totals
    Great post!

    It only adds to the BS death-by-Covid reporting that is taking place to inflate numbers to scare the **** out of the public and/or enhance the agendas of the left and liberal media.

    Will credible final death-by-Covid data ever be published? INHO, no.

    If we are being scammed by politicos to the point our economy has been devastated beyond repair, they should be held criminally libel.

    While some of us follow every mandated guideline to stay safe - shelter at home as-much-as-possible, wear a mask and sanitize - they feed us BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post

    If we are being scammed by politicos to the point our economy has been devastated beyond repair, they should be held criminally libel.
    I will not comment about the criminality of any such possible scam, but this is the Trump economy that emerged after three years of the Left's wanton BS "Russia Collusion" and Impeachment mischief:

    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post

    "...63% of the public backs Trump's handling of the economy...


    https://markets.businessinsider.com/...0-2-1028873604

    But to play on your field, I offer in support of the trend(s) which I do embrace:

    (1) Obama's 2009-2016 policies resulted in one of the slowest economic recoveries in history.

    (2) Trump's unemployment numbers are at a 50 year low-period.

    (3) The pay of American workers has grown at more than 3% per year, and such numbers have not been present since the so-called Great Recession.

    (4) Consumer confidence has consistently grown under Trump.

    (5) Business confidence has consistently grown under Trump.

    (6) There has been a significant drop of Americans on food stamps; and

    (7) In the first thirty months of the Trump administration, manufacturing jobs increased by 314,000 OVER Obama.
    Those economic numbers appeared to have been a very hard obstacle for the Left to overcome on Election Day, 2020.

    Then, Shazam! A virus that the Chinese did not permit to be spread to other parts of China itself from its purported Wuhan origin, was concurrently allowed to be disseminated by direct Chinese air traffic to all other parts of the world.

    When President Trump severely restricted air travel from China in late January, he was called a "xenophobe" by many on the Left, while other Leftist actors such as Nancy Pelosi and NYC Health Commissioner Orxis Barbot in seeming contradiction to Trump's cautionary measures, actually encouraged large group gatherings.

    Regrettably, but perhaps conveniently for the Left's political fortunes, the Covid Lockdowns spuriously crashed those numbers.

    But, the sun is starting to peek through the clouds. In trading so far this week, the Dow has climbed back to over the 25,000 mark, and even the travel industry seems to be rebounding from April's astounding 96% drop in passenger air travel.

    Kind of makes you wonder if Covid may be used as an opportunistic faucet to be turned on-and off in the future, to negatively impact the economy, eh?

    Or perhaps if not Covid, does some other unknown disruptive threat lay waiting in the pre-November weeds?
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    Will COVID-19 ever be eradicated?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...?ocid=msedgdhp

    "When you look at infectious disease classically, there are three words that are generally used: control, elimination and eradication," Fauci says.

    "I think it's highly unlikely that we will eradicate COVID-19. The only disease in humans that we've ever eradicated is smallpox. We've eliminated polio from many areas of the world. For example, polio is eliminated in the U.S. and U.K. and the only cases that are around are vaccine-related cases.

    "So it is conceivable that we will be able to eliminate it in the sense of getting enough herd immunity together with the vaccine that we have very few cases. And certainly we can control it, and we have been getting it under some control in some areas," Fauci says.

    "If you wash your hands frequently, physically distance and stay six feet away from people, wear a mask and avoid crowds, just those four things alone could go a very long way to containing infection," Fauci says.



    A different Dr. Fauci perception, eh?

    There’s a good chance the coronavirus will never go away. Even after a vaccine is discovered and deployed, the coronavirus will likely remain for decades to come, circulating among the world’s population.

    As more information comes to the forefront and so much past modeling and ‘expert’ opinions were incorrectly postulated, it it becoming more acceptable for some to question whether the cure was worse than the disease. The virus is now being considered ‘endemic’ with or without vaccine development. Will the country economically recover from the two-month shutdown?

    Have Americans had enough of the divisive political BS?

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    The suspect in custody was wanted on a charge for a non-violent crime and appears restrained, lying down in handcuffs.

    Three other police officers appear to be present, but do not seem to intervene.

    So what would justify, or motivate, such police actions?...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VZS0H-636g
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