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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Ostrowski View Post
    I see we have yet another cyberstalker with low self-esteem. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You're in over your head. Read my article on jury nullification.
    Why is it that when anyone that disagrees with one you your opinions, they automatically become cyberstalkers with low self esteem?

    How arrogant can one be? You socially repulsive and intellectually ignorant. You justify your so-called theorems with unproven and unsubstaintiated hearsay. You are a charlatan. Please do yourself and the ignorant masses of minions that hold you in special esteem, shut up and go to Minnesota. That way we'll have two gadflies that have nothing more for society, except stroke their egos in the name of reform.

    Oh yeah, I know, cyberstalker w/low esteem. Got it.

    You're such a schmuck.

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    Your premise is wrong. There are two people whose malady is low esteem. Why else would they make utterly foolish arguments against anything I write. You explain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSense View Post
    He didn't push hard enough. He was elected three times but didn't have the political influence to have it approved by voters? I call bs!
    It needed to be approved by the State Leg before it even got to the voters during his 12 years.
    “We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.” ― Thomas Jefferson

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    I fear that if we have a Constitutional convention with the current political landscape of NY we'd have even more socialism and NYC would gain even more power over the rest of the state
    Vote for freedom, not political parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharky View Post
    I fear that if we have a Constitutional convention with the current political landscape of NY we'd have even more socialism and NYC would gain even more power over the rest of the state
    Start building the wall now! From Binghampton along Rt88 through Schenectady to the New Hampshire line. And declare Independence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtwarren View Post
    It needed to be approved by the State Leg before it even got to the voters during his 12 years.
    Please explain, are you saying that every 20 years it's up to the leg to approve it's position within the ballot? I do not read that. The Constitution clearly states that it will be put to the voters every twenty years. I does not say... upon approval by the leg.

    Furthermore, the last time it was on the ballot 1997, demorats and their fellow union cronies defeated the measure.....

    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/05/ny...l?pagewanted=1

    BTW, here is how much Cuomo wanted the convention....

    ALBANY, May 26, 1993— Gov. Mario M. Cuomo turned up the volume today in his call for a constitutional convention, saying it may be the only way to break legislative gridlock on issues like public campaign financing and the merit selection of judges.
    But critics in both parties dismissed the Governor's increasing emphasis on a constitutional convention as the early politics of a 1994 re-election campaign.
    They said that Mr. Cuomo, who may run for a fourth four-year term next year, was using the tactic to deflect criticism about his effectiveness onto the Legislature. And they said he was trying to don the populist mantle made so fashionable by Ross Perot, who won 16 percent of the New York vote in the 1992 Presidential election.

    Whipeeee! Cuomo is da man! Get real. Stop defending such a lame-o.

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    Not defending anyone just stating facts. Mario Cuomo was Governor from 1983 through 1994. The question on whether to have a CC was presented to the voters in 1977 and 1997 (before and after his time in office) as required by the Constitution. In order to have this question put to the voters at any other time would require a bill being passed by both houses of the State Leg.
    “We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.” ― Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtwarren View Post
    In order to have this question put to the voters at any other time would require a bill being passed by both houses of the State Leg.
    Well there ya go. That is exactly what the problem is! Nothing will ever change for the better of the noble common people when tyrants and communists control the procedures and the descisions for those other than themselves. We're screwed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvan View Post
    Well there ya go. That is exactly what the problem is! Nothing will ever change for the better of the noble common people when tyrants and communists control the procedures and the descisions for those other than themselves. We're screwed!
    The tyrants and communists don't control how the noble common people vote.

    The noble common people are happy with what they have. If they weren't, someone else would be in the position of power.

    It's that simple.
    I never said I had no idea about most of the things you said I said I had no idea about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sneakers77 View Post
    The tyrants and communists don't control how the noble common people vote.

    The noble common people are happy with what they have. If they weren't, someone else would be in the position of power.

    It's that simple.
    I get your point. Perhaps its a play on words. I am a noble person not happy that I am losing freedom and persecuted every day by the common people who, like you said, are happy with what they have so the mundane is fine with them and dont care if I, and others like me, are being repressed.

    So what can be done about this?
    (dont say vote cause we both know that doesnt work)

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    you are correct that they dont control who a person votes for, however, there is ALOT of growing suspicion that voting, doesnt work.... that elections are fixed..

    Just look at the diebold systems.
    Willful ignorance is the downfall of every major empire in history.

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    Elections are not fixed, it is the voter apathy that is weighing us down. It is amazing how many get this feeling about elections but yet they continue to buy lottery tickets that they lose on more often than they vote.
    “We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.” ― Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtwarren View Post
    Elections are not fixed, it is the voter apathy that is weighing us down. It is amazing how many get this feeling about elections but yet they continue to buy lottery tickets that they lose on more often than they vote.
    Its not that amazing when you think about it. The culture has been conditioned to seek instant gratification mostly by the very people who control the offices that make the policies. Government knows exactly what they are doing to feed themselves off of the population.

    The lottery has better odds of providing an individual the freedom they want because if they win all they have to do is pay for it. Instant gratification.

    Sad but true.

    So how do we fix this?

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    All indications right now seem to point to Andrew Cuomo being our next governor. Right now he has about $16 million in his campaign warchest compared to Patterson's $3 million.
    Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. Ronald Reagan

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