Forgetting local personalities.

[WNYresident]

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Originally Posted by WNYresident
There are far more people who make less than $100,000 who are affected by the incompitence of the endorsed democratic leaders over the years. Remember I believe the final call for endorsements currently is Lenny Lenihan.

I believe he endorsed most of the dead wood we have in the Erie County Legislature who basically continued business as usual and his best endorsement to date. "SteamRoller" Spitzer. The illegal's friend.

The democratic leaders didn't give us any safe guards as population dropped or when our economy declined. Frankly as long as they get thiers they don't care.

So every working person in Erie County better wake up and realize you are not included in the Erie County Democratic Party's plans. Well unless your connected and they make a "position" for you.

CityMouse

I disagree.
Forgetting local personalities.

It's all about local personalities in WNY. The same basic core group for the last 20 years. Example is Giambra. He was raised democrat, learned to be an oppurtunist and flipped to republican to run. He was still from the same core group of people that were involved in our community politics. How long back does lenihan go? Any of them. We also have the connected developers and the hard core political party members. It's all people not party labels.

Intrests of people of lower incomes are not represented by Republican candidates. You have to go backto nixon to find a Republican who was somewhat bipartisan. Ronald Reagan is regarded as a hero by todays generation of REpublicans. I think he did more to polarize this country since any President or event since the Slavery issue.

The interest of lower income people are of no concern of the core group of people who run the party label democrats/republicans in erie county. They bs people and say they are but they are not. It's basically "WNY service Inc" using the marketing company "Erie County Democrats, Inc.". Currently my concern is WNY not national politics. Yes it effects us but not as much as what is going on in our community. In 4 years of speakup I have learned just how self serving the core group of "political party" members are. It's sickening and it's at the expense of our community.

The total disregard for working people hte uncompassionate disdain for the lesser members of our society. Greed, pursute of wealth. The unwillingness to accept a little less so someone else can have more has grown and florished under the ideals esposed by him and the "new Republicans" of the 1980's.

I only want to refer to our community. Perhaps regan somehow effected Erie county but for the most part not as much as the core group of personalites we have here.


Now the Democrats and Republicans are dvided as never before. The Blunders of Bush and his cronies have advanced it even more.

Sure have. But I know people who label themselves republicans who think bush is one of the stupidest presidents we have ever had. You can't group 30 people in washington with 30,000,000 other republican labeled people.

The folly of the trade agreements of the last few years, the needless and pointless invasion of Iraq ( Military experts are saying we may never recover from this one), it's all coming back to bite us in the behind.
The contempt held by the richest of Americans for the immigrant working classes of the gilded age are returning today. Reforms that began under Theadore Roosevelt (who, by the way was a "progressive" Republican) are being undermined by todays republicans. Unions who won hard fought reforms on saftey issues, wages, and worker's rights are being attacked and vilified into some type of boogeyman, an enemy who is out of touch with the non-union working people of this country who wouldn't have the wages benefits and rights and protections that they have if the unions hadn't worked grass roots to win them for all workers.


What does this mean locally?

not as much as the effect the local group of "political party people for the last 20 or so years" does.


It translates down to this election. it draws the lines and sets the ground rules.

Underneath it these themes are being played out in theis county Executive race. Succesfull Business man (Capitalist) against career politician (Socialist Democrat).

True.. Sad isn't it. One group of people are blinded by the fact that the endorsed "career politicians" are not good enough to keep our community competative on a national and global level.

They have been bull****ed for so long they think pulling a party label level voting day is going to help them. WHY? because the political party keeps telling them they will. Never happens though. I'm still surprized these people continue to tell others they will make things better but thier only real intention is to keep thier hand in everyones pocket.

The polarization is there. It is easier for them to make these points to win votes than to discuss the issues.

First lets get on point out of the way. Collins is a politican.

That comment is getting old now. You know as well as I know anyone running for any office is "labeled" a politician. I don't think that's a bad word anymore. The new word is a "parasitic politician". But that's unfair to. Just call them what they are. Community parasites that have no intention of making the community richer as long as they get thiers. You see it.. you've even commented on it. But if that parasite gives you want you want people tend to be ok about it. Make sense?

For a number of reasons. First and foremost, he is running for office. He is a member of the Republican party, he has always been an active member of the Republican party just as Keane has always been an active member of the Democratic party.

100% correct. But I think there's a difference when one person is a part of a party for thier employement versus someone who is registered to a party.


Collins has run for office before as a endorsed Republican. He has hired a political consultant to run his campaign.

So?... if he was endorsed IP would you say anything different? What if he could be on the ballot without a party endorsement would you say anything different? What if he was a democratic party member running against another democratic party member?

What if there were NO labels.

Just resumes for the position of CE. That's how I'm looking at it. PARTY labels mean nothing to me. THese are two men from out community who want the job. I don't care if they were Mary Kay cosmetic party members. Do what is good for our community not the party.


He is political, he is a politician. The whole "I'm not, he is" thing is just spin. If he wins then he will have organization Republicans appointed to office it will be politics as usual republican version. Just as if the Democrats won only with different players.

I bet if you compared the resumes for his appointments versus the current appointments you would see a major difference. AND PLEASE don't even compare Giambra to collins when it comes to smarts. To completely different leagues. I think you are wrong in this case. Over achievers don't like to fail. He is stating he want to turn erie county around for businesses. Can't do that if it's politics as usual.


Astute voters know this, people that are involved on both sides do to. As does the local media and the Business community and the unions. And they are the movers and shakers drawing the lines here.

But people are waking up and so are life long democrats. I have been asking each client that walks threw my door here are they going to vote and for who. It's Collins. Even the ones that are democrats. The Erie County Democratic Party hasn't delivered CRAP to the majority of people who label themselves democrats. nada. Well welfare.. They have to. You can't have people staving in the streets because of the crappy job they have done.


So much of the back and forth here as to why this guy is better or that guy is a bum is so much nonsense. Collins MBA vs. Keane's carrer at Canisus. Keane's military service vs. Collins lack of it. Collin's using goverment perks vs. Keanes career in the fire department. None of this has anything to do with the issues. I am pretty sick of it.

Me too. That's why i'm ignoring those facts. College is extremely important specially when you have a track record to show you can apply what you learned. BUT on the other hand I know people who dropped out of college and do extremely well. AND I don't mean like the guy that invented the pet rock. I mean self taught people who are just inheriently bright people. They just have good business sense.


The fact that Collins has not made one statement that you can hang your hat on other than "I will run Erie County like a BUsiness" makes me nervous. awhat has he said of substanence? What individual issues has he adressed?

Don't confuse running it like a business with running it to make a profit. There is no profit in government. That's where a lot of people confuse the two. You can run it like a business without a profit motive. THAT doesn't mean you pay some guy mowing lawns $28 an hour, pension and gold plated health insurance.

You are saying the people of Erie County better wake up, that the Democrats don't include Joe Voter in their plans.

I haven't seen it. We have the crusha complaining about a company that keep 250 jobs in our community versus having no jobs. The cheerleader for keane. DOn't you even find that odd?


News Flash.
The Republicans are no different. Even more so. Because the philosophy of the republican party is not the philosophy of the working class people of this country and this county. So not only will they be left out because they are not personally connected, but in policy and goverment theory they will be left out as well.

Erie County Democrat/Erie county Republican/Erie County "what ever" doesn't have any more meaning to me. They are just people. Party higher up democrats are exactly the same for the most part as higher party republicans. VERY few exceptions. One example is Ron Paul. Bush isn't even in his league as human beings go.


Your courts, your social programs and services, recreational services, educational services and law enforcment services will be controled by conservatives who have a disdain by the philisopical nature of the party they are personally connected with and gave them their job,that is against what most people of WNY, working people, belive in.

Still people never the less. Just the wrong people. I'm not a republican or democrat but I think education is important and the rest of the stuff. BUT I don't think law enforcements means lets figure out ways to pad overtime, or if you work in a park your gonna send 4 kids threw college. Also as law enforcement goes jail should be a place you DO NOT want to go back to.


You also say that the democrats in Erie County have let them down. Well County Goverment since it's inception in the sixties, has been controlled by Republicans most of the time.

I was told the control has been democrat. The ones making the rules. The legislature. They are the ones that have final say on contracts and spending for the most part. Remember Ray Duza? It's only a measily penny. Shows you how off his thinking is. A business person knows it's a 12% increase of the tax. Only someone that SHOULDN"T be a legislator would say it's only a penny. Every penny taken out of your pocket are dollars taken from our community. Your pocket.

Including the last eight years. Giambra left the Democrats, was embraced by the Republicans and still regards himself as Republican. He's yours, like it or not.

Ain't mine. Ain't anyones. He's part of the core that is rotten to start with. You of all people know he was trained democrat and after 40 years of that mindset changing your label doesn't change the person. I'm not a republican. I'm a Wny'er first registered IP so I can vote. Notice in my posts I didn't like Orsini? Took me a little longer than I thought but he's outta here. Used speakup to stir the pot and the crap floats to the top.


To say he isn't a real Republican is just a political convienience to try and distance The current candidate Collins, from there own folly.

Your smarter than that. He's Joel Giambra. Period.

So if you want to know why I vote democrat and urge others to do so, this might explain it.

Do you pick the quality of your car because of it's color? Do you buy your yard tools based on what the packaging is like not if the tool is good or not? That no different that voting based on democrat/IP/republican.

High gas prices, poison food from our "new" partners in the global market place, deadly toys from the same partners, and a host of other reasons that I blame on a few greddy people of influence who has convinced the people here that sending their jobs over seas in exchange for these things is what makes this country strong.

Those toys are not coming from democrats or republicans. They are coming from the chinese. They don't care if they poison us.


Peole have to be stupid for not seeing it is making us weak, our advasiries strong nad is starting to divide our country even more between the haves and have nots.

It's not party labels making us weak it's PEOPLE. Once your at the top you have rotten in both parties.

At the same time our global military follies are straining our defenses and making us vulnerable in other areas besides our ever weaking economy.

Ron Paul 2008

Meanwhile the rich get rich and the poor get poorer and the top one per cent fiddle while rome burns.

There are rich/poor in both parties.

I blame the Republicans.

I blame people.

Chris Collins

Ron Paul

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[WNYresident]

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My exact feelings.

[Northshore]

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