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    Hillary Clinton wants to give Obamacare to illegal immigrants.

    In her quest to be all things to all people; Hillary wants to extend Obamacare to thousands of illegal Immigrants - how much will this cost American taxpayers ?


    Hillary Clinton, the presidential front-runner for the Democrats, is strongly in favor of extending Obamacare health insurance coverage to illegal immigrants, daughter Chelsea Clinton has revealed.
    During a recent campaign event in Salt Lake City, Chelsea responded (see video below) to a Hillary Clinton supporter’s inquiry about expanding Obamacare, a.k.a. the Affordable Care Act, to cover non-citizens.

    “My mom has very strong feelings that we must push as quickly as possible for comprehensive immigration reform, and this is a real difference between her’s and Senator Sanders’ record, she supported comprehensive immigration reform at every possible chance and she was one of the original supporters and sponsors of the DREAM Act. She does not believe that while we are working towards comprehensive immigration reform we should make people wait, like the families you are talking about. Which is why she thinks it’s so important to extend the Affordable Care Act to people who are living and working here, regardless of immigration status, regardless of citizenship status…”

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    old old news. And you don't have to use Chelsea's statement to support the claim, just go straight to the horses mouth - from October 14, 2015: LA Times- Hillary Clinton just backed healthcare for immigrants in the U.S. illegally

    What next? You'll start a thread entitled "Hillary Clinton is a female"?

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    Its amazing what some people will do for votes - You can see how strategic these tax funded give away programs are for Hillary.

    Everything's a "Demographic" - people are "Voting blocks" - your race is a category under which everyone becomes part of a "Firewall" to stop your opponent. It's all so deliberate and calculated.


    Thanks, here is some highlights from your article :


    Pitney also said Clinton might be trying to gain support outside of her African American and white base. “If she can build a firewall among Hispanic voters, then it would be very hard to deny her the nomination,” he said.
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    The liability that will be created for taxpayers become secondary to "WINNING the Game"

    Critics say actions like those being taken in California on healthcare are exacerbating the problem of people coming to the U.S. illegally.

    Federation for American Immigration Reform spokesman Ira Mehlman cited a 2009 Congressional Budget Office report that found expansion of preventive care generally leads to higher, not lower, spending.

    In California, some proposals to extend healthcare to people who lack legal status have been priced at more than $1 billion.

    “It seems that sometimes they stay up late there in Sacramento dreaming up new benefits and services and protections they can provide to people who are in the country illegally even as they’re cutting all kinds of things to everybody else,” Mehlman said.


    Notice this is but one state and there talking $BILLION tax dollars - so Nation wide - how many HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS is this one proposal gonna cost taxpayers.
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    I would not put anything past "The Wicked Witch Form the East." Her promise them anything, don't mention on who is going to pay for it.
    While were at it lets see if we can get illegals the right to vote.
    I don't trust her and I won't vote for her.
    Russia didn't make me vote for Trump, Hillary did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lackawanna View Post
    I would not put anything past "The Wicked Witch Form the East." Her promise them anything, don't mention on who is going to pay for it.
    While were at it lets see if we can get illegals the right to vote.
    I don't trust her and I won't vote for her.

    That is the part that doesn't people running for office or people who want to stay in office don't want to mention right down to the local level. Trump made a good comment about some of the protesters. People looking for free stuff.

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    Bernie doesn't seem afraid to tell you who is going to pay for it. He says "YOU" are going to pay for it.

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    In this case Bernie is telling the truth. Personally I don't believe USA citizens should pay for everyone's college education to a point.

    I have seen this comment on various websites.

    Elizabeth Warren's Salary at Harvard: $429,981

    Elizabeth Warren’s Salary at Harvard: $429,981. Warren earned the sum from 2010 to 2011, excluding her earnings as an expert witness in an antitrust case ($90,000), as a consultant on a case involving asbestos victims ($43,938), from royalty fees ($136,946), or from the stuff that gets complicated: investments, real estate, renting out her multi-million-dollar home, and, you know, earnings from government appointments.
    Now if she was paid directly by Harvard this gives you a clue why tuition is so expensive. Correct?

    Go review salaries of college administrators. OF course people Warren want cheap student loans and our money to help people pay for college. They are on the receiving end big time.

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    Unlike Hillary Clinton who is pledging BILLIONS and BILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARs

    Mr.Bernie Sanders college plan only includes "Community Colleges" not the IVY League ones.

    How are you going to pay for this?

    In the College for All Act, which Bernie sponsored, a “Robin Hood” tax on Wall Street would be implemented – a 0.5 percent speculation fee on investment houses, hedge funds, and other stock trades, as well as a 0.1 percent fee on bonds and a 0.005 percent fee charged on derivatives. These very small taxes on the financial sector would completely cover the cost of providing free higher education to all students who are willing and able to attend college or university.

    Moreover, the cost of not providing higher education must also be factored into consideration. A more educated workforce is likely to lead to higher incomes and a higher GDP for the nation, which will lead to increased prosperity, wealth, and consumer spending in its own right. In addition, families and individuals will spend their income freely instead of saving it for college tuition or using it to pay back student loans. This rise in consumer spending will also likely have a positive effect on the nation’s GDP.
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    What policies has he proposed with regards to college tuition?

    Bernie introduced the College for All Act, which would “eliminate the $70 billion dollar tuition costs at all 4-year public colleges and universities.” To qualify, states would have to foot 33 percent of the bill (the federal government would sponsor the rest) and take various steps to maintain or increase expenditure on improving opportunities for students and faculty.

    For further factual explanation click here

    DONT just be influenced by rumor or "Political Speak" about what Mr.Sanders is saying - go to http://feelthebern.org/
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Bernie doesn't seem afraid to tell you who is going to pay for it. He says "YOU" are going to pay for it.
    I believe Hillary Clinton actually said, "Taxpayers will fund it and much - much more."
    She has never once offered any other means to pay for her many promises - FACT.

    - what she endorses in California is for "2.4 million unauthorized immigrants" at a cost of approximately ONE BILLION TAX DOLLARS - just for California.

    The news media hasn't been reporting about it - but she has also promised it in her speeches in Maryland, Michigan , Nevada and in other states where she has campaigned.

    So if providing OBAMACARE for 2.4 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS would cost taxpayers ONE BILLION TAX DOLLARS
    - how much would it take to cover over 11 MILLION more illegal immigrants ?

    Let's not forget 30/40 thousand refugees she wants to bring into America and care for !

    She recently promised a few BILLION TAX DOLLARS to the National Black Caucus in South Carolina to help promote their agenda.(Google it)

    A recent study to pay "Reparations To Ancestors of American Slaves" which Hillary Clinton has vowed to support is said to cost a estimated$777 BILLION DOLLARS
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    I see where 4248 might be going with this.

    A group of people are classified as illegally here in the USA at this time. She pushes through citizenship and then supplies health care for all. Does she just added a costly burden to those legally here in the USA

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    Sounds like 4248's jumping on the Bernie train.

    Like I said, if taxes go up, at least we're getting something for the money. Not like they go up to fund a 300,000 dollar toilet seat
    Let me articulate this for you:
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    Illegal Immigrants Get Public Health Care Despite Federal Policy

    More and more low publicity articles appear to suggest taxpayers will soon be on the hook for BILLIONS.



    WHEATON, Md.—When federal lawmakers wrote the act overhauling the nation’s health-care system six years ago, they ruled out any possibility of extending health insurance to illegal immigrants.

    Local officials where many of those immigrants live are treating them anyway.

    A Wall Street Journal survey of the 25 U.S. counties with the largest unauthorized immigrant populations found that 20 of them have programs that pay for the low-income uninsured to have doctor visits, shots, prescription drugs, lab tests and surgeries at local providers. The services usually are inexpensive or free to participants, who must prove they live in the county but are told their immigration status doesn’t matter.

    Whether such programs are appropriate is a matter of debate. Many voters believe it is unfair to use tax dollars to help immigrants when American citizens struggle, and that doing so encourages illegal immigration. At the same time, American hospitals are required by law to screen and stabilize any patient, regardless of his or her ability to pay, which means taxpayers already are committed to paying for care in its most expensive setting.

    County politicians figure it is cheaper, safer and easier to give basic health services to immigrants who can’t get insurance than to treat them only in the county’s emergency rooms.

    “If federal programs exclude people who live here and get sick here, then someone has to care for them,” says George Leventhal, a Democratic council member who a decade ago started a local initiative to provide care to uninsured immigrants here in Montgomery County, Md., a suburb of Washington. “We all pay anyway.”

    Local critics contend the county should support immigration enforcement rather than undermine it. Brad Botwin, a local opponent of illegal immigration, objects to the cost of the county health program. “They can’t fix the roads. The metro system is absolutely falling apart. But they have the money to put up these health benefits,” he says.

    Republican and Democratic federal lawmakers alike agree with the Affordable Care Act’s prohibition against providing government-subsidized insurance to anyone who cannot prove a legal immigration status. The presidential candidates also are in agreement. The Republican candidates also advocate overturning the entire system created by the health law, along with stepping up immigration enforcement.

    Unauthorized immigrants account for at least one-quarter of the approximately 30 million uninsured people in the U.S., the Congressional Budget Office estimates.

    Marielena Hincapie, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center, an immigrant rights group, says programs to treat them are an example of people acting locally, despite Washington’s stance. “We may not have gotten federal legislative immigration reform, but I can tell you we are getting immigration reform from the ground up,” she told health-law supporters at a recent conference.

    For communities that provide care to illegal immigrants, the financial commitment is significant. Interviews with officials in the 25 counties indicated that local initiatives provide nonemergency care for at least 750,000 unauthorized immigrants across those counties, costing them more than $1 billion a year—almost all from local funds.

    Some of the programs have operated for decades, providing services for immigrants alongside other low-income county residents. Others are brand new and explicitly exist for immigrants. All essentially serve as substitute health plans for illegal immigrants who are prohibited from getting Medicaid or subsidized private insurance under the health law, and whose jobs generally pay too little for them to buy coverage.

    Montgomery County paid about $12 million for health care for almost 25,000 immigrants last fiscal year across a dozen clinics. One of them was Proyecto Salud, or Project Health, housed in a government building in Wheaton close to a metro station, fast-food franchises and an apartment complex.

    The health centers put together treatment plans for diabetes, orthopedic injuries and anxiety disorders, among other things. Their budgets rely on donated help from area specialists, hospitals and drug companies, along with modest patient contributions. Past government evaluations of the centers credited them with a 41% reduction of behavioral-health emergency-room visits and a 67% reduction in trips related to chronic conditions—a big incentive for local hospitals to contribute, officials say.

    “We are saving money to the system by doing this,” says César Palacios, head of Proyecto Salud. “If we don’t pay now when it is easy money, we are going to pay later on.”

    The county’s program, “Montgomery Cares,” has served mostly immigrants without legal status since the biggest provisions of the health law kicked in two years ago. There were 110,000 uninsured people in the county at that time. At least 50,000 were set to remain uninsured because of the health law’s restrictions on unauthorized immigrants getting Medicaid or subsidized private coverage.

    In New York City, the public-hospital system estimates it provided nonemergency care last year to 208,000 unauthorized immigrants across Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx, the boroughs with the largest populations of such immigrants. The cost was about $400 million, picked up by the system—essentially, local taxpayers and everyone who has insurance and uses the hospital system.

    In Los Angeles, 135,000 low-income county residents without legal U.S. residency status are assigned primary-care providers in a “medical home” designed to coordinate their care. They get an ID card, use of a member-services hotline and a booklet akin to an insurance brochure that explains how to gain access to screenings, a clinic network for specialty care and prescription drugs.

    In the past year, the number of California counties with programs akin to the Los Angeles one has jumped from nine to 48, in part because of the entry of a consortium of rural counties.

    The debate is playing out county by county across other big states, including Texas. For decades, state officials there have wrangled over whether counties should treat uninsured illegal immigrants, without reaching a firm decision. As a result, local leaders have gone their own way.

    Houston and Dallas together cover tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in charity-care programs—65,000 in Houston, and some portion of an 115,000-person program in Dallas, where the county doesn’t track immigration status.

    “Consider the implications of half the people on the [local] rail lines and buses carrying them to work being denied flu shots,” says Clay Jenkins, the chief elected official for Dallas County. “There are 2.5 million people that live here, and they’re all important and they’re all deserving of respect and medical care,” says Mr. Jenkins, a Democrat.

    By contrast, in Tarrant County, which includes Fort Worth, the system that provides safety-net care is limited to residents who can prove legal immigration status.

    Those restrictions have been in place for about a decade. “At that time, there was a tremendous discussion that occurred,” says G.K. Maenius, the county administrator. “Our hospital district was struggling to have the finances to take care of legal residents of Tarrant County.”

    As a result, he says, the hospital district opted to treat people without legal status as if they lived in any other county. The emergency room treats everyone. For noncounty residents to obtain nonemergency treatment, they have to pay for it—at prices that likely are prohibitive for most.

    In Fresno County, Calif., a debate over accepting $5.5 million the state said could only be used to provide specialty care for around 5,000 unauthorized immigrants split the board of supervisors 3-2. The county ended up taking the money.

    Andreas Borgeas was one of the supervisors to vote “no.” He says his opposition is chiefly fiscal. “We have distorted the discussion and created an ongoing entitlement that’s going to be difficult to sustain,” he says. “If California wants to have this coverage, it should be by Sacramento.”

    California, like many states, doesn’t have an ironclad prohibition on providing health care to people here without authorization. States have flexibility over Medicaid eligibility, and 16 of them allow the program to cover populations of illegal immigrants, such as children and pregnant women.

    California and New York have some of the broadest inclusion criteria. Oklahoma has a pregnant-women’s program aimed at ensuring prenatal care for babies who will become U.S. citizens, named “Soon to be Sooners.”

    States would struggle to find the money to insure all immigrants, even if they wanted to.

    California will have around 1.5 million adult immigrant residents without insurance in 2019. To offer Medicaid to those who meet the program’s low-income criteria, the state likely would have to find at least $400 million more a year, according to an estimate by the University of California, Berkeley’s Center for Labor Research and Education that is based on the assumption that not everyone would enroll. If everyone did, the price would likely grow to at least $720 million.

    Democratic presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have said they want to see universal health coverage in the U.S., but that they favor the status quo on the health law’s immigration restrictions. They have said they would be willing for illegal immigrants to use HealthCare.gov as a tool to shop for coverage, but wouldn’t want the federal government to help pay for premiums or allow them to enroll in Medicaid.

    The Republican front-runner has made tighter immigration restrictions a core part of his health plan.

    “If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve health-care cost pressures on state and local governments,” Donald Trump said in his health-policy platform.

    Obama administration officials, including Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell, acknowledge that immigration status is a key factor in the size of the U.S. uninsured population, and that reducing that number to zero would require changes in immigration policy.

    But even those changes likely wouldn’t resolve the health-coverage issue.

    The Obama administration has said that children granted immigration-enforcement reprieves under a 2012 executive action still will be subject to the health law’s restrictions. After an executive action that would extend that reprieve to around four million adults, the Obama administration said it would continue to subject them to the restrictions, too.

    That action is now before the Supreme Court, with arguments in mid-April.


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    Hopefully sane voters who may be undecided at this juncture will use this information to vote for candidates opposed to this.

    This is proof positive that the Democratic candidates have indeed lost what little mind they had.

    I think we should move more illegal immigrants to the these candidate's supporters zip codes....that should fix the situation quite nicely!

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