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    U. S. cannot nullify treaties with Indians
    November 14, 2009, 8:07 AM / 29 comments
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    It is sad to see so many readers responding to the issues of tax collection on reservation sales, without ever taking the time to examine or understand the realities of sovereignty or treaty rights.

    The idea that the government can just rewrite treaties to bring anything more into line with non-Indian viewpoints neglects the very concept of what a treaty is —an agreement between two or more sovereign nations. It cannot be nullified or abdicated by one party without the consent of the others.

    The idea that the state can refuse passage on public highways to Indian people because they claim their U. S. government acknowledged sovereignty is foolish and dangerous. American Indian people in this country have been guaranteed the rights of free passage, they traded away the rights to a whole lot of land in return for these rights.

    Some readers claim to have read most of the treaties and found nothing of the sort within them. Apparently, they have only read as far as they need to form their unfinished opinions. I suggest they reread the whole of the treaties and then ask themselves where they gained the right to the very land they stand upon while they rail away at people who gave them the right, through these same treaties, to stand there in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyones neighbor View Post
    U. S. cannot nullify treaties with Indians
    November 14, 2009, 8:07 AM / 29 comments
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    It is sad to see so many readers responding to the issues of tax collection on reservation sales, without ever taking the time to examine or understand the realities of sovereignty or treaty rights.

    The idea that the government can just rewrite treaties to bring anything more into line with non-Indian viewpoints neglects the very concept of what a treaty is —an agreement between two or more sovereign nations. It cannot be nullified or abdicated by one party without the consent of the others.

    The idea that the state can refuse passage on public highways to Indian people because they claim their U. S. government acknowledged sovereignty is foolish and dangerous. American Indian people in this country have been guaranteed the rights of free passage, they traded away the rights to a whole lot of land in return for these rights.

    Some readers claim to have read most of the treaties and found nothing of the sort within them. Apparently, they have only read as far as they need to form their unfinished opinions. I suggest they reread the whole of the treaties and then ask themselves where they gained the right to the very land they stand upon while they rail away at people who gave them the right, through these same treaties, to stand there in the first place.

    Mark H. Vosburgh
    Albion
    http://www.buffalonews.com/opinion/e...ry/861226.html
    I agree with you "but" if Indians sell to anyone other than their own people, the State has every right to collect tax on those sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichingtheory View Post
    I agree with you "but" if Indians sell to anyone other than their own people, the State has every right to collect tax on those sales.
    That's very true but so far, they haven't figured out how to do it. The nation is NOT going to collect taxes for NY state.

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    I have mixed feelings on this. I believe if our elected officials learned to manage our money we would not be in this financial mess right now.. Our legislators are always in the spending mode and then punish us all by raising fees , taxes and starting programs that never end for placing patronage.
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    Lets get the facts first, then go for the jugular!!
    It's all transparent, just read between the lines..

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    and how did the Iroquios get "their land"?

    They stole it from the Huron, Neutrals, Susquehannock, Tionontati, and Erie.

    So they sold us land they didn't have a right to own - that's called fraud ab initio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    and how did the Iroquios get "their land"?

    They stole it from the Huron, Neutrals, Susquehannock, Tionontati, and Erie.

    So they sold us land they didn't have a right to own - that's called fraud ab initio.
    http://tolatsga.org/iro.html

    In the United States, much of the Iroquois homeland was surrendered to New York land speculators in a series of treaties following the Revolutionary War. Despite this, most Seneca, Tuscarora, and Onondaga avoided removal during the 1830s and have remained in New York. There are also sizeable groups of Mohawk, Oneida, Cayuga, and Caughnawaga still in the state.
    Kiss someone that's different. It helps.
    Lets get the facts first, then go for the jugular!!
    It's all transparent, just read between the lines..

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyones neighbor View Post
    The nation is NOT going to collect taxes for NY state.
    Then why should people off the reservation pay taxes to support those on the reservation?
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    Actually, the U.S. can nullify treaties it is called abrogation. Since the U.S. stopped entering into treaties with the Indians in 1871 any subsequent act of Congress abrogates any prior inconsistent provision of any treaty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtwarren View Post
    Actually, the U.S. can nullify treaties it is called abrogation. Since the U.S. stopped entering into treaties with the Indians in 1871 any subsequent act of Congress abrogates any prior inconsistent provision of any treaty.
    The idea that the government can just rewrite treaties to bring anything more into line with non-Indian viewpoints neglects the very concept of what a treaty is —an agreement between two or more sovereign nations. It cannot be nullified or abdicated by one party without the consent of the others.

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    Congress, mainly this current Congress, thinks it can do anything, and it has shown America that it can do what it wants without opposition. Treaties are a piece of paper, a contract, and a contract can be redrawn which this current Administration is doing on everything it sees fit to change.
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