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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Take your blinders off, Lee!

    Just get out of your house, and off your high horse. PLEASE!



    Take a drive around Lancaster in order to see all the new residents in Town, heck, just see the new home construction pretty much in every part of Town. And heck, yaksplat mentions former Supervisor Giza, who by the way supported this appropriate policy even though most of these new residents built expensive homes, and most likely as a result are voters who happen to be Republican.

    Anyway, pardon me in I have absolutely zero sympathy for $500,000 home yaksplat. $500,000 for your home and he complains that Elma is a better fit. Hmmmm When he/she has to take the weekly trash to the dump in Elma, gee, have fun.

    The irony is just as quickly pity-me yaksplat puts the 500K home up for sale, most likely numerous residents who see this town for what it is, a great town without the terrible development policies like Amherst (where you could have a huge hotel built pretty much built in your back yard without any way to stop it) are not even discussed in Lancaster, let alone allowed to move forward.

    I bet the Dems never had a chance with yaksplat in the first place.

    He/she sounds like a certain vote for Joseph Brainard or Dino Fudoli, both who don't pay their taxes anyway until they are forced to!

    Smell ya later, yaksplat!

    Oh, and guess what?

    There's a ton of politics in Elma, too, it's just a GOP club there.

    And they are VERY political Republicans in Elma.
    Here you go again. Let's just look at the real problems here Breezy. yaksplat does have great points, the traffic pattern and congestion including infrastructure has become a nightmare. Lancaster has allowed development to become a lucrative business. I remember Bob Giza saying the very words you mimic regarding building the big houses will result in Republican voters coming in and that was Giza's downfall. Incorrect, but nice try kiddo, the apple does not fall too far from the tree. What is a problem here in Lancaster is how the government grew under Giza's reign. The Friend & Family employment agency, I'm sure you know where this can lead too so stop pissing in the wind.

    Many people are saying that the taxes are killing the average American, it is only appropriate to start finding places that our budget allows. Natural selection. Elma if I am correct does not have a police force. Our police force has a hefty budget. Clarence does not have a police force their taxes are reasonable-but build that 550K home here and in Clarence it is a million dollars. Lancaster is a full service town, and as Giza stated that costs money.

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    Elma uses the Erie County Sheriffs as does Clarence. From what I have seen, the response time is very close.

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    Now, that the Master plan is posted on the website, I'm going to try and find the time to read it at some point.

    http://lancasterny.gov/site/sources/...-Lancaster.pdf

    http://lancasterny.gov/site/sources/...n-Addendum.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaksplat View Post
    Elma uses the Erie County Sheriffs as does Clarence. From what I have seen, the response time is very close.
    And a hell of a lot cheaper

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    Here's how my taxes have been in Lancaster. When I purchased my house in 2005 for $219,500 the taxes were $4200/year. The house is currently assessed at $235,000 and the taxes are $6884.

    The value of the house has increased by 7% and the taxes have increased by 64%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post
    And a hell of a lot cheaper
    I want to go back 10-15 years or so but wasn't it Clarence who never paid the county or state for thier share of police service. Keeping their taxes lower by being leeches of county and state taxes

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    In Lancaster, the taxes for the Police fund account for 25% of the general budget tax bill, if I calculated correctly.

    I think Clarence pays whatever is legally required or there would be a big broo haha don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wow in lanc View Post
    I want to go back 10-15 years or so but wasn't it Clarence who never paid the county or state for thier share of police service. Keeping their taxes lower by being leeches of county and state taxes
    I believe that was sewer fees they owed to the Town of Amherst

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    [QUOTE=Breezy;1581618]Take your blinders off,Lee!Just get out of your house, and off your high horse.PLEASE!
    Typical Lan Dem Breezy, start by insulting tax payers !

    Breezy says, "For my part, I guess I can't complain because my home is modest, but very nice. The mortgage is now paid and taxes are not that unmanageable" - Yes, the tax funded Lan Dem spokesman has made enough to pay off his home - so his taxes don't bother him - who cares about you/others ! Typical - "I got mine" attitude"



    Take a drive around Lancaster in order to see all the new residents in Town, heck, just see the new home construction pretty much in every part of Town.
    Yes, there is construction happening everywhere and traffic issues everywhere and crumbling roads everywhere. Yes, drive around and see all the homes - but the Village is dead - there's no areas to walk from one subdivision to another - and they'll stuff in more every chance they get !


    And heck, yaksplat mentions former Supervisor Giza, who by the way supported this appropriate policy even though most of these new residents built expensive homes, and most likely as a result are voters who happen to be Republican. Total BS on both counts - During our Giza/Stempniak building era - they never saw a subdivision they couldn't push through - they encouraged larger homes on smaller lots to max tax income. They constantly voted to approve these thing you say are wrong. Their downfall is the direct result of arrogance, blatant patronage, disregard for tax payers concerns.



    Breezy, you as the "Voice of the Lan Dems" you continue to show the political denial, the denial of responsibility for the excessive taxes through patronage building, Supervisor Giza was on the sewer boards, Councilmen Stempniak was the Liaison to the Planning Board - that Board was and is mainly hand picked Lan Dem Officials and Party agenda loyal.

    New home buyers buy into Lancaster for the perceived investment and schools - they sell and move to be able to afford a less taxed life without all the traffic.
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    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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    [QUOTE=4248;1581673]
    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Take your blinders off,Lee!Just get out of your house, and off your high horse.PLEASE!
    Typical Lan Dem Breezy, start by insulting tax payers !

    Breezy says, "For my part, I guess I can't complain because my home is modest, but very nice. The mortgage is now paid and taxes are not that unmanageable" - Yes, the tax funded Lan Dem spokesman has made enough to pay off his home - so his taxes don't bother him - who cares about you/others ! Typical - "I got mine" attitude"



    Take a drive around Lancaster in order to see all the new residents in Town, heck, just see the new home construction pretty much in every part of Town.
    Yes, there is construction happening everywhere and traffic issues everywhere and crumbling roads everywhere. Yes, drive around and see all the homes - but the Village is dead - there's no areas to walk from one subdivision to another - and they'll stuff in more every chance they get !


    And heck, yaksplat mentions former Supervisor Giza, who by the way supported this appropriate policy even though most of these new residents built expensive homes, and most likely as a result are voters who happen to be Republican. Total BS on both counts - During our Giza/Stempniak building era - they never saw a subdivision they couldn't push through - they encouraged larger homes on smaller lots to max tax income. They constantly voted to approve these thing you say are wrong. Their downfall is the direct result of arrogance, blatant patronage, disregard for tax payers concerns.



    Breezy, you as the "Voice of the Lan Dems" you continue to show the political denial, the denial of responsibility for the excessive taxes through patronage building, Supervisor Giza was on the sewer boards, Councilmen Stempniak was the Liaison to the Planning Board - that Board was and is mainly hand picked Lan Dem Officials and Party agenda loyal.

    New home buyers buy into Lancaster for the perceived investment and schools - they sell and move to be able to afford a less taxed life without all the traffic.
    You said the village is dead. Yes to new builds. But its actually very much alive. There is plenty of remodeling and rebuilding of older homes. Many end up being much nicer than the new builds. The village also has something the sub developments don't "neighborhoods". Much more for the kids to do. I'll come home in the afternoon my son will have 5 or 6 if his friends over all from developments . I asked him why don't you hang out at thier houses. None of the kids like the developments to far from anything thier not connected to other developments. It's much easer in the village.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wow in lanc View Post
    None of the kids like the developments to far from anything thier not connected to other developments. It's much easer in the village.
    I could see that being quite true. My development has no sidewalks that go to the Windsor ridge development. Even though many new houses were built between the developments, the town did not enforce the sidewalk requirement, which has left no safe route between them. My boys are usually the only kids that play outside in our neighborhood. One of the main reasons that I bought a house in a subdivision was so that there'd be plenty of kids around. Not true. Either everyone stays inside, or they're being trucked between all of their activities. I went down every single street in my and my neighboring subdivision at around 2pm on a sunny Saturday over the summer. I decided to count the kids that I saw outside. After about 8 miles of biking, I found 6 kids playing outside, but 3 of those were mine.
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    Thumbs up But "Smart Growth" sounded good in campaign fliers

    Sorry - that cant be true !

    Councilman Stempniak and the Lan Dem Town Board promised,
    "Smart Growth" in their campaign promises/platform she/they stated there will be "Green Recreational spaces within/connecting each subdivision
    - inter connected side walks and walking trails leading to stores next to each of these new subdivisions
    - Each area should have its own community stores "

    Instead the Town received the drainage ponds
    - unusable wetlands
    - and side walk waivers(no side walks needed) !

    The Town Board, and planning Board approved these !

    Now the tax payers and home owners are held liable
    - if your property abuts a "POND"
    - you have to have insurance to cover possible accidents.

    Tax payers, not developers will pay to maintain ditch's and ponds. Because the Past Supervisor and present Town Board Councilmen approved it that way !

    PS - I didn't mean residents in the Village aren't upgrading or up keeping their homes. I meant the Government hasn't redeveloped the inner Village as promised.

    They knocked down the BOCCE building to burry the mismanagement and neglect that resulted in it being condemned ! Also many of the buildings on Central Ave that did receive tax funded help were owned by Village and Town Officials.
    Last edited by 4248; October 9th, 2015 at 11:57 AM.
    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaksplat View Post
    I could see that being quite true. My development has no sidewalks that go to the Windsor ridge development. Even though many new houses were built between the developments, the town did not enforce the sidewalk requirement, which has left no safe route between them. My boys are usually the only kids that play outside in our neighborhood. One of the main reasons that I bought a house in a subdivision was so that there'd be plenty of kids around. Not true. Either everyone stays inside, or they're being trucked between all of their activities. I went down every single street in my and my neighboring subdivision at around 2pm on a sunny Saturday over the summer. I decided to count the kids that I saw outside. After about 8 miles of biking, I found 6 kids playing outside, but 3 of those were mine.
    The village is great The kids can really get around on their own. Go to The bike park on thier own no loading bikes and kids into cars. Walk to library even McDonalds .They even learn a sense of community by being out and getting to know the neighbors. It far from dead and in many ways more alive than the town

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    Actually the only thing really bad about village living is Village government. It should be abolished and moved under town control. The only thing we have left is courts,DPW and politicians. The need for a separate village is long gone.

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    No - if you get rid of the DPW then where will failed Politicians go ?(I mean besides the Towns Planning or Zonning Board)

    Its a place for those who cant get elected to higher posts - you know its like Depew - its a Lan Dem Farm Team practice area. If your a good Party Player you can transition from the Village to Town or County Politics.

    If not and you lose your seat - you get a raise and hidden in the DPW. Or if your related/married to anyone on the County Level - you go to the Water Authority.
    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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