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    Social Security For Non Citizens

    I'm sending this on as I found it;

    Please read, sign and forward to all you know.


    Subject: Social Security Benefits

    As stated below, the Senate voted this week to allow "illegal" aliens access to Social Security benefits.

    Attached is an opportunity to sign a petition that requires citizenship for eligibility to that social service.

    You can Agree or Delete. Instructions are below.

    PETITION FOR: President Bush , Gov. Schwarzenegger and Congressman Dana Rohrbacher

    Gentlemen and Mr. President: The petition below is a protest against what the senate voted on recently which was to allow illegals to access our social security! We demand that you and all congressional representatives require citizenship for anyone to be eligible for social services in the United States. We further deman d that there not be any amnesty given to illegals, and NO free services or funding, or payments to and for illegal immigrants.

    We are fed up with the lack of action about this matter and are tired of "paying" for services to illegals! Tell Señor Fox to pay for his own people!

    ======

    Agree or Delete: Instructions to sign are at the bottom.

    1. Mary Takami, Calif.
    2. Connie Dodd. Calif.
    3. Frank Beirau, Calif.
    4. Barbara Murray, Calif.
    5. Dody Farha, Okla.
    6, Woody Farho, Okla
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    Go to forward mail and enter you name under it if you don't forward or cut and paste the petition and just stop it, we will lose all these names. If you do not want to sign it, please just forward it to everyone you know. Thank you!!!

    To add your name, click on "forward". You will be able to add your name at the bottom of the list and then forward it to your friends. (Or you can cut and paste without showing all the emails that it has been sent to.)

    THE 2,000TH PERSON SEND IT ON TO THE FOLLOWING E-MAIL ADDRESS:

    President@WhiteHouse.gov

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    The Senate has again betrayed the American taxpayers by passing legislation to allow illegal aliens to collect S.S. benefits even if they have used stolen S.S. #'s of U.S. citizens. A felony for U.S. citizens but all is forgiven for an illegal stealing a S.S. #. Modern slavery in the name of corporate whore profit.

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    Hi speaker.

    Can you please provide a link or some kind of backup for this?

    Thanks

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    Speaker, I did a quick google search and it looks like this story is inaccurate.

    According to Snopes, which researchs things like the email this story is based on, the vote discussed was accurate -- except that the vote was to table the motion, thereby killing it.

    anyway, there is a completea background on http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...alsecurity.asp.

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    Yep, ttf, it was sent to me and I emailed the sender to get a more exact and accurate report. Thanks.I'll let you know what the results are.

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    I'm going to print out that Snopespage, ttf, just to straighten this issue out. And I sent it to the sender of the petition. Sorry for the misinformation I passed along.

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    25 May 2006, the U.S. Senate, by a 62-36 bipartisan vote, passed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 — a controversial bill which proponents touted as providing comprehensive and humane immigration reform, and which opponents criticized as unfairly rewarding illegal aliens by allowing them to obtain legal status.

    On 18 May 2006, while the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act was still under consideration, Senator John Ensign of Nevada proposed an amendment to the bill to "ensure that persons who receive an adjustment of status under [the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act] are not able to receive Social Security benefits as a result of unlawful activity." The crux of Senator Ensign's argument was that immigrants who had entered and worked in the U.S. illegally and paid into the Social Security system using fraudulently-obtained Social Security numbers should not be allowed to receive credit for those payments:
    [Illegal immigrants] paid into the system simply because that was the price to pay to get a job in the United States. The immigrant knew they were using an illegal Social Security number but without regards of the impact of the victim. I have reviewed case after case related to identity theft and Social Security fraud. These cases are occurring all over the United States. In every case, in every State, where someone's Social Security number was stolen by an illegal immigrant to use to find work, the victim's credit history is destroyed. Sometimes their work history is too. Earlier I talked about Caleb, a gentleman in Nevada. The illegal immigrant who used Caleb's Social Security number was not trying to harm that person but he did. Caleb applied for unemployment but couldn't get it because the agency said he was working when, in fact, he wasn't. He lives in Reno. They said he was working in Las Vegas. It was an illegal immigrant using his Social Security number in Las Vegas.

    I never said this amendment is going to prevent identity theft. What I have said is that it is not right for somebody to steal somebody else's identity — granted for the noble purpose of getting a job — and reward the theft by giving work credit that counts towards Social Security. We should consider the victims who are forced to deal with the terrible consequences of the crime.
    The Senate vote on this amendment is what is reproduced in the e-mail quoted in the example block above. Although the message's text accurately reflects the roll call vote that took place, the accuracy of its characterization of those senators who voted "Yea" as voting "to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits" is problematic for a number of reasons:

    * The subject of the proposed amendment was not about giving (or denying) Social Security benefits to illegal aliens; it was about whether a select group of formerly illegal workers (i.e., those who might obtain legal immigration status if the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 were enacted) should be able to receive credit for payments they made into the Social Security system using phony Social Security numbers (i.e., numbers that were invalid or had been assigned to others). Such persons would still be eligible to collect Social Security benefits in the future; they just wouldn't receive credit for payments they had already made into the system.

    * The senators named didn't technically vote against Senator Ensign's amendment itself; they voted (by a 50-49 margin) in favor of a Motion to Table (i.e., a motion to permanently kill the pending matter and end any further debate on the subject).

    * It was the potential passage of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act that created the situation Senator Ensign's amendment sought to prevent in the first place (i.e., allowing formerly illegal workers to receive credit for earlier Social Security payments), so the senators who ultimately voted in favor of the immigration reform act might logically be considered at least as responsible for the outcome as those who voted to table the Ensign amendment.

    If all of the above made your eyes glaze over, it boils down to this: While the list of who voted which way is accurate, what was being voted on was a motion to table (that is, stick in a closet in hopes that it will never be seen again) a motion to deny former illegals credit for the Social Security payments they made while in the U.S. illegally.

    Last updated: 4 June 2006

    The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...alsecurity.asp

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    That sounds better. Boy did I over reach, lol!

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    I wonder how that misinformation got started and why? We'll probably never know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001
    I wonder how that misinformation got started and why? We'll probably never know....
    On the internet, of course

    So much misinformation out there now that ya gotta double check your sources.
    I'm leary of anything like this that is sent to me by email.

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    Sorry about that, Gonzo. I got it from what I considered a reliable source but that teaches me a lesson.
    I notified him and he regrets it now, but, hey, it's done and I hope cleared up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001
    I wonder how that misinformation got started and why? We'll probably never know....
    Did you ever play the game "Telephone"? A group of people sits around in a circle. The first person whispers something into the ear of the person to one side of him/her. The process continues until the message gets back around to the originator, who speaks out loud what the statement now says and what the original statement was. There's generally a world of difference!

    That's one thing that goes on with a lot of these "urgent' email messages.

    Then there are the ones that start off to deliberately cause a problem where none existed in the first place. Repeat something often enough and everyone believes it. It's like the story about the farmer and the moon. He started spreading rumors that the moon was full of gold, and it was simply there for the taking. As the rumors grew, the entire city started making plans to blast to the moon and get rich. Finally, the farmer ended up joining the crowd - because, he thought to himself, what if the rumors are true?

    Specifically, regarding Social Security, I believe that only those who have paid into it for the required number of "quarters" may reap its benefits. The petition makes it sound like it doesn't matter about paying in.

    And, regarding any petition, generally a verifiable and complete address is required for a "signature" on a petition to be taken seriously. The petition in question did not contain any addresses that I could find.

    Bottom line: don't believe any email you receive that asks you to affix your name, pass on information to others, or to take any kind of action whatsoever until you check it out. Snopes.com is an excellent place to begin your investigation. What these "alerts" prove over and over again is P.T. Barnum's axiom, "There's a sucker born every minute."

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    "We further deman d that there not be any amnesty given to illegals, and NO free services or funding, or payments to and for illegal immigrants.

    We are fed up with the lack of action about this matter and are tired of "paying" for services to illegals! Tell Señor Fox to pay for his own people! "

    Out of all that comes the stand that more and more people are taking. And they should!! If you agree with this , then remember the politicians that dont share your view and vote them OUT!!!!!

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    Here, Here!!!!!!!

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