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    Charlie Hebdo attack

    Charlie Hebdo attack: Suspects ID'd after 12 killed; police operation underway

    (CNN)Police fanned out across France in search of three suspects: hooded gunmen who attacked satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo Wednesday and killed 12 people before escaping onto the streets of Paris.

    The suspects behind the attack have been identified, Paris Deputy Mayor Patrick Klugman told CNN. Two of them are brothers.
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe...ire/index.html

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    Seems like we have this same conversation far to frequently. Yet another Islamic attack on a western country that is a blatant attack on free speech and anyone other than Muslims. Now after another long day of heinous bloodshed by Muslims, we are reminded that Islam is really actually a religion of peace even though their the only ones who attack innocent people for making fun of them in cartoons. Bull***. It's obvious at this point to anyone with a brain that Islam and Western civilization are not compatible. It is simply too violent and has been for the past 1500 years. I feel bad as France is screwed with such a large Muslim population over there subverting the French people and taking over that country.

    This guy nails it:

    Islam is the Most Violent Religion in the World, But Let’s Keep Calling it ‘Peaceful’ Anyway

    Matt Walsh

    And here we are again. You might recognize this place. We’ve been here frequently over the past, say, 1,500 years or so. It’s the place where the whole world stands in dumbfounded shock after witnessing unspeakable brutality at the hands of Islamists. Maybe we should stop being so surprised.

    This time around, three masked gunmen stormed the offices of a French satirical newspaper, executing 12 people in cold blood, including two police officers. This is the same newspaper that infamously published a cartoon poking fun at the Prophet Mohammed a few years ago, and was promptly greeted with death threats and a Molotov cocktail for their troubles. In fairness, there’s still a lot we don’t know about this attack, but it seems very certain that this was another case of Muslim terrorism. The gunmen took out 12 people while shouting “Allahu Akbhar” and “the Prophet has been avenged.” All of this over some jokes in a magazine.

    Can you imagine Christian radicals committing mass murder at The Onion offices because they’re upset about something they found on its website? Can you even fathom such a thing? Probably not, because it never happens. It just never happens. And it’s not like Christians don’t have plenty of provocation. I still remember stumbling upon this lovely little gem from The Onion last year. It’s a hysterical article imagining that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, became a prostitute to make ends meet. Haha?


    This is the kind of thing Christians encounter all the time. Brutal mocking and ridicule dressed up as “humor,” but designed only to offend. There’s no wit, no punchline, just scorn heaped upon people of my faith. Kind of like this “Family Guy” episode, featuring an adulterous Jesus looking to have sex with a man’s wife. Or that hilarious “Curb Your Enthusiasm” episode a few years back where Larry David peed on a picture of Jesus. Or of course the famous “Piss Christ,” a crucifix dunked in a bottle of urine and passed off as art. Or the painting of the Virgin Mary smeared in elephant dung. Or “Dogma.” Or “The Da Vinci Code.” Or a thousand other examples.

    Yet nobody ever died because of any of that. And, oh man, if anyone did, can you imagine the backlash? Can you imagine the media reaction if just one Christian murdered just one person as a reprisal for some offensive joke or provocative cartoon? We’d be ready to ban the entire religion in this country. Progressives are so desperate to prove that Christianity is just as violent as Islam that they frequently cite the murder of abortion doctors as an example. Only, none of those attacks were carried out in the name of Jesus. As far as I’m aware, none of the murderers shouted “Praise be to Christ” when they pulled the trigger. And how many incidents are we even talking about here? I’ll tell you: eight. Eight abortionists and abortion clinic workers have been killed in the U.S. in the past 40 years. It’s happened once in the last decade and a half. Once.

    Yet Christians are held to such a high standard that even these extraordinarily rare killings, not even done in the name of the faith, and always condemned by nearly every prominent Christian, are cited in almost every conversation about religious violence. Meanwhile, Muslims just gunned down 12 people over a cartoon this morning, and what do we immediately hear? Islam is a religion of peace.

    A White House spokesman came out within hours of the attack and spent about 40 seconds condemning the violence before immediately repeating this same slogan. While another dozen bodies lay dead in the street, we’re told that it all happened at the hands of a “peaceful” religion. (But at least he didn’t repeat Obama’s quote from 2012: “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”) This is a sick joke. Islamist militant wreak havoc across the globe, and the best our simpering, kowtowing, politically correct leaders can do is continuously suck up to the religion that produces these travesties like it’s operating some kind of terrorist assembly line. It’s pathetic. It’s shameful.

    You’ll soon hear, if you haven’t already, that this latest bout of Islamic violence should be “put in context.” That these murderers are “in the minority.” I’m even being informed that the people who provoke Muslims are partly to blame themselves. But I’ll know we’ve finally progressed as a people, and grown some semblance of a collective spine, when we stop putting Jihad into context and when we stop making excuses for it. These are bloodthirsty barbarians. They don’t have a point. They don’t need to be understood. They don’t deserve any considerations at all.

    I don’t know where we go once we’ve reached that point. I don’t have an easy solution to the kind of animalistic behavior that has infected Islam since its inception. But I do know that it starts with honesty. It starts with having the fortitude to say, without qualifier, without equivalency, that Islam is the most violent religion in the history of the world. You can ask why or how, but the “what” really isn’t up for debate.

    I didn’t say that all Muslims are violent, or even that most Muslims are violent. I didn’t even say that Islam is the most destructive religion in the world — that title belongs to progressivism, which murders babies, destroys families, and damns souls.

    Yet it is the most violent, and we all know it.

    These are bloodthirsty barbarians. They don’t deserve any considerations at all.

    Does Islamic law call for its followers to slaughter the innocent? Certainly that’s how a fair number of them throughout history have seen it, but I don’t claim to be an Muslim theologian. I assume there are different ways to interpret Muslim scripture, same as Christians argue over interpretation of the Bible. What’s the “correct” interpretation? I have no idea. But my religion’s Holy Book tells me that by their fruits you shall know them. I am looking at the fruits of Islam, and I see something that so often blossoms into death and terror. That’s the reality. It’s right before my eyes. All I have to do is open them to see it.

    But even now, as the news tells us of another Muslim atrocity, and as Islamists continue their thousand year war against every other religion on Earth, and as they violently persecute Christians across the Middle East and Africa, and as they visit death and misery upon millions worldwide, we here in the West are still too afraid to notice that which cannot be avoided.

    And when we do notice, we don’t say, “look, Muslims are executing blasphemers, crucifying Christians, and beheading children.” Instead, we use meaningless qualifiers to stipulate that these are “radical” Muslims or “fundamentalist” Muslims. Then we quickly bury even that observation in a bunch of wimpy babble about how all religions have these sorts of “violent elements.”

    Hopefully we soon come in contact with a dictionary, or any book actually, because if we do we’ll see that a “fundamentalist” is simply someone who follows the fundamentals of a religion. Saying that “Islam isn’t the problem; fundamentalist Islam is the problem” is the same as saying “Islam isn’t the problem; the basic, fundamental nature of it is the problem,” which is the same as saying “Islam isn’t the problem; Islam is the problem.”

    And although it might make us feel better to assume that no culture and no religion carries its own unique flaws and pitfalls, the fact remains that Christians and Jews are not often found brutalizing innocent civilians in the name of their religion. And if such an anomaly were to occur, it would be quite easy to tell that the murderous Christian is not a fair representative of his Creed. After all, his Savior spoke rather extensively about the need for peace and mercy. His Savior also wasn’t a militant figure in His own right, killing infidels and taking child brides along the way.

    Rather, our Savior told us to turn the other cheek, and that’s what Christians have consistently done. They were pursued, captured, beaten, killed, and made into lion’s food for 300 years before they finally emerged as a dominant religion. If Christianity is inherently violent, it would have been born in violence and spread through violence, but it wasn’t. Unlike Islam.

    These are the simple facts, and I’ve pretty well had my fill of these friendly people, with their polite ways, who are so terribly tolerant that they feel like they have to pretend that, somehow, mysteriously, the impression every rational human being on Earth has — that Islam is more violent than other religions — is off-base. They can’t explain why it’s off-base, they can only offer some trite platitude about how the violent Muslims are not “true” Muslims.

    Bull crap, you cowards. There is disagreement about the “true” nature of every religion. Put 100 Christians of different denominations in a room and they’ll argue over virtually every aspect of their faith. What they won’t do, however, is debate whether they’re supposed to be out killing cartoonists, shooting up schools, murdering soldiers at the Canadian parliament, or taking hostages at a cafe in Sydney. Only one religion has to even entertain that discussion. And that, to me, clearly indicates some very serious and inherent flaws.

    And, please, don’t tell me that Muslims tend to be violent because they’re a historically oppressed people. All religions have been oppressed at one time or another, but Muslims have also always controlled wide swaths of the globe. Ever hear of the Ottoman Empire? And don’t try to work the Crusades into this conversation, unless you want to prove my point for me. The Crusades were waged against Muslim aggressors after several hundred years of persecution at the hands of Arabic forces. The Crusades were a war of defense, sparked, as usual, by Muslim conquest.

    No, there’s no way around this. Islam is more violent than any religion that’s ever existed anywhere.

    We have to face that fact. Muslims especially have to face it.

    And then we can take the next step, whatever that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeefan2009 View Post
    Put 100 Christians of different denominations in a room and they’ll argue over virtually every aspect of their faith. What they won’t do, however, is debate whether they’re supposed to be out killing cartoonists, shooting up schools, murdering soldiers at the Canadian parliament, or taking hostages at a cafe in Sydney.
    That is true. The Christians will discuss whether they should kill their children to save them from Satan by drowning them in a bathtub or driving them in a car into a lake they can't escape from, or just stabbing them to death for Jesus. Christians can be proud that their extremists only kill their own children rather than other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    That is true. The Christians will discuss whether they should kill their children to save them from Satan by drowning them in a bathtub or driving them in a car into a lake they can't escape from, or just stabbing them to death for Jesus. Christians can be proud that their extremists only kill their own children rather than other people.
    I'm pretty sure if you put 100 Christian people into a room they would not be talking about whether they should kill their children to save them from Satan.

    Did you make this comment just to jerk Yankeefan's chain or do you really believe that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    That is true. The Christians will discuss whether they should kill their children to save them from Satan by drowning them in a bathtub or driving them in a car into a lake they can't escape from, or just stabbing them to death for Jesus. Christians can be proud that their extremists only kill their own children rather than other people.
    You are confusing a few instances of mental illness under the guise of religion vs. a industrial sized belief that death is a deserved punishment for trivial matters. Not sure how you could compare these two. No religion seems to get along with them, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Jews, they can't even get along with each other.

    Try to find a muslim country that has peace, freedom, and tolerance. Heck I am sure most of the them would love to leave if they could.

    Even Erdogan is a can't seem to break that mold. It's time for the world to satirize Mohammed. Most of that religion that makes news is an affront to anything Godlike that I can conceive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    I'm pretty sure if you put 100 Christian people into a room they would not be talking about whether they should kill their children to save them from Satan.

    Did you make this comment just to jerk Yankeefan's chain or do you really believe that?
    Andria Yates was not the first and won't be the last person to kill her children for Jesus. And the number of children who die because insane Christian parents won't allow them to be treated with necessary medical care is growing each year.

    Hitler was a christian. Does that mean all Christians are mass murderers?

    Like this guy:

    Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays, and he considered neocon Bernard Goldberg’s book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America, his political manifesto. Adkisson (who pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder and is now serving life in prison without parole) was vehemently anti-abortion, but apparently committing an act of terrorism during a children’s play was good ol’ Republican family values. While Adkisson’s act of terrorism was reported on Fox News, it didn't get the round-the-clock coverage an act of Islamic terrorism would have garnered.
    Or how about the pieces of fecal matter that murdered Dr. Slepian and Dr. Britton in the name of Jesus? And what about Eric Rudolph and the rest of the army of God?

    Ah, we could go on and on. When christians try to paint muslims as evil, they conveniently forget the history of their own ilk.

    Have you ever read the Old Testament? It is story after story of god sanctioned murder, genocide and mayhem. Does that mean that anyone who believes in the Old Testament also believes in committing in murder, genocide, and mayhem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Save Us View Post
    You are confusing a few instances of mental illness under the guise of religion vs. a industrial sized belief that death is a deserved punishment for trivial matters. Not sure how you could compare these two. No religion seems to get along with them, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Jews, they can't even get along with each other.

    Try to find a muslim country that has peace, freedom, and tolerance. Heck I am sure most of the them would love to leave if they could.

    Even Erdogan is a can't seem to break that mold. It's time for the world to satirize Mohammed. Most of that religion that makes news is an affront to anything Godlike that I can conceive.
    Everyone gets that Islam is by far the most violent and the worst except delusional people like no brains that live in lala land

    What's funny is you don't even see any Muslims protesting the violence done by Muslims. They condone it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Andria Yates was not the first and won't be the last person to kill her children for Jesus. And the number of children who die because insane Christian parents won't allow them to be treated with necessary medical care is growing each year.

    Hitler was a christian. Does that mean all Christians are mass murderers?

    Like this guy:



    Or how about the pieces of fecal matter that murdered Dr. Slepian and Dr. Britton in the name of Jesus? And what about Eric Rudolph and the rest of the army of God?

    Ah, we could go on and on. When christians try to paint muslims as evil, they conveniently forget the history of their own ilk.

    Have you ever read the Old Testament? It is story after story of god sanctioned murder, genocide and mayhem. Does that mean that anyone who believes in the Old Testament also believes in committing in murder, genocide, and mayhem?
    Who did not practice brutality in old testament?

    Did Hitler murder Jews in the name of Christ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Andria Yates was not the first and won't be the last person to kill her children for Jesus. And the number of children who die because insane Christian parents won't allow them to be treated with necessary medical care is growing each year.

    Hitler was a christian. Does that mean all Christians are mass murderers?

    Like this guy:

    I was referring to this comment you made:

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    That is true. The Christians will discuss whether they should kill their children to save them from Satan by drowning them in a bathtub or driving them in a car into a lake they can't escape from, or just stabbing them to death for Jesus. Christians can be proud that their extremists only kill their own children rather than other people.

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    The one cop didnt even have a chance he had no gun... France has very strict gun laws and a good amount of police in France carry no guns....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Save Us View Post

    Did Hitler murder Jews in the name of Christ?
    Yes he did.

    I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.
    - Adolf Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936

    In a speech from April 12, 1922 and published in his book My New Order, Adolf Hitler explains his perspective on Jesus Christ:

    My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

    In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross

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    So is it true that in France they basically have no enter zones because of the Sharia Law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Save Us View Post
    You are confusing a few instances of mental illness under the guise of religion vs. a industrial sized belief that death is a deserved punishment for trivial matters. Not sure how you could compare these two. No religion seems to get along with them, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Jews, they can't even get along with each other.

    Try to find a muslim country that has peace, freedom, and tolerance. Heck I am sure most of the them would love to leave if they could.

    Even Erdogan is a can't seem to break that mold. It's time for the world to satirize Mohammed. Most of that religion that makes news is an affront to anything Godlike that I can conceive.
    I think the problem with Islam is that it has such a violent history and there was never a reformation like there has been with Catholicism and Christianity as well as other religions. I recently read some of the work by Ayaali Hirsi, a former Muslim and Dutch Parliament member, who has been at the front of the fledgling womens rights movement within Islam. She spoke how Islam is a key element of the Islamic terrorism we see today and that the only way to defeat it is to first acknowledge that is Islam that is the problem. Once we do that Western Civilization can begin to address the problem directly and fight is with ideas. Not all Muslims are terrorists but there is a large number that are as we see everyday with terrorists attacks like 9/11, the london bus attacks, the spanish train bombings, the French attacks this week and the list goes on and on. The larger problem we also see with Islamic groups like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, ISIS, the Islamic front etc. There is a global movement in Islam for world domination and we are fighting an asymmetric war. Until we address that Islam is the root of the problem we weill not be able to defeat or even contain it and these events will keep happening.

    I'll also mention that the history has been fueling this movement for an Islamic caliphate and this goes back to the Ottoman empire and even the invading Muslim hoards in the middle ages in Europe. This is similar to what is happening with the rampant immigration over there right now. It was defeated in the 11th and 12th centuries when the West finally smartened up and launched the Crusades in response to Muslim aggression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    So is it true that in France they basically have no enter zones because of the Sharia Law?
    Yes, I have been to France and was shocked by the level of population of Muslims in the region. They have large areas of land that are not able to be policed and have seceded as part of a separate Islamic state. I think the population is somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 million. They refuse to integrate and instead are basically seceding and forming their own country as part of an almost religious colonial movement in parts of Europe. It wouldn't shock me in 20-30 if we started seeing breakaway Islamic states where parts of France, England, and Germany currently reside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_Eagle View Post
    Yes, I have been to France and was shocked by the level of population of Muslims in the region. They have large areas of land that are not able to be policed and have seceded as part of a separate Islamic state. I think the population is somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 million. They refuse to integrate and instead are basically seceding and forming their own country as part of an almost religious colonial movement in parts of Europe. It wouldn't shock me in 20-30 if we started seeing breakaway Islamic states where parts of France, England, and Germany currently reside.
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