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    You just cant stand for me to have the last word can you?
    People who wonder if the glass is half empty or full miss the point. The glass is refillable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven
    You just cant stand for me to have the last word can you?
    ummm .. nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginTaxpayer
    None of which are supported by county tax dollars.

    The public golf course is located at Beaver Island State Park. State fees apply.

    The public marina is located at Big Six Mile Creek Marina State Park. State fees apply.

    Buckhorn State Park is a bird sanctuary, has no river access, is not easily accessible and has no amenities.

    River Oaks Golf Club and Marina are privately owned.

    The Buffalo Launch Club is privately owned.

    Fantasy Island is privately owned.

    Again, none of these are supported by county tax dollars.

    Where do our county taxes go? Part of our county tax dollars pay for County Sheriff road patrols on Grand Island. Well, for now anyway.
    The conversation started about the lack of a county park. The writer claimed he had no place on Grand Island to go to visit a park. I joined because Grand Island has plenty of parks for a community it's size and doesn't need a county park.

    If you are unhappy, support a town police department, have the town take over maintenance of Whitehaven, Baseline, Stony Point, Huth, Long, and Bush Rds, take over the Public Library, and the county portion of Senior Citizens Center costs. What do you think would happen to you taxes then?
    Go up or down?

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    Mike .. what town did you say you lived in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewrona
    The conversation started about the lack of a county park. The writer claimed he had no place on Grand Island to go to visit a park. I joined because Grand Island has plenty of parks for a community it's size and doesn't need a county park.

    If you are unhappy, support a town police department, have the town take over maintenance of Whitehaven, Baseline, Stony Point, Huth, Long, and Bush Rds, take over the Public Library, and the county portion of Senior Citizens Center costs. What do you think would happen to you taxes then?
    Go up or down?

    The "writer" didn't claim he had no park to go to. I said that there was no county park convinient to my location on Grand Island.

    Perhaps we SHOULD support a town PD, plow our roads, etc., etc., etc. Then it would only seem fair that we get an immediate reduction in our county tax to reflect the services we are not getting. And if all of the suburbs did similarly, Erie County would be bankrupt in a week. Wake up and smell the checkbook!!! The 'burbs are the only thing keeping the county alive. Erie County and Buffalo are debtors and a lot of us who actually work for a living are a little tired of paying for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginTaxpayer
    Mike .. what town did you say you lived in?
    I've been in Amherst for 4 years, prior to that 21 years in West Seneca.

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    [QUOTE=Northshore]The "writer" didn't claim he had no park to go to. I said that there was no county park convinient to my location on Grand Island.

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    No you were complaining about county taxes and the fact that you pay them and there's no park convenient to you.

    I merely pointed out that there's plenty of parks on Grand Island already. What do you need another park for?

    I'd bet Grand Island receives more in county revenues than it sends in county taxes. Have you ever asked your legislator to give you the numbers: taxes out/revenue in?

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    The counties are required by state law to provide law enforcement (ie, "keep the peace"), but towns and villages are not. They can rely on the general law enforcement that the county provides (including road patrols) or they can contract with the county for more law enforcement services or they can form their own police departments. The sheriff's department provides minimal service for areas that have low population densities and low crime rates.

    In Erie County, the most populous suburban towns as well as some of the medium-sized towns (like Alden, Aurora, Eden, and Evans) as well as such outlying villages as Akron and Gowanda have chosen to have their own police departments because they want better service than the occaisional sheriff's road patrol provides and they want better response time. This means that the onus should be on the towns with their own police departments to decide if they want to keep them or return to the minimal services provided by the Sheriff. It's unfair to force people living in outlying towns with minimal police services to pay for extra for that service because some residents in some other towns pay extra in order to get better service.

    Here's an example: if you call 911 about a suspicious person in your suburban neighborhood in the middle of the afternoon, how long do you expect to wait for a patrol car to show up? Ten minutes or less? Fifteen or twenty minutes? A half hour or more? In the rural areas, if the sheriff's deputy is at the opposite end of his patrol route or if he's got another call, he might not make it to the seen for a half hour or more. It's not like there are five cars patrolling the towns of Sardinia, Concord, and Colden. It's more like one car -- and maybe the deputy has to loop through parts of Wales or Collins, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northshore
    The "writer" didn't claim he had no park to go to. I said that there was no county park convinient to my location on Grand Island.

    Perhaps we SHOULD support a town PD, plow our roads, etc., etc., etc. Then it would only seem fair that we get an immediate reduction in our county tax to reflect the services we are not getting. And if all of the suburbs did similarly, Erie County would be bankrupt in a week. Wake up and smell the checkbook!!! The 'burbs are the only thing keeping the county alive. Erie County and Buffalo are debtors and a lot of us who actually work for a living are a little tired of paying for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by mikewrona
    I'd bet Grand Island receives more in county revenues than it sends in county taxes. Have you ever asked your legislator to give you the numbers: taxes out/revenue in?
    What I see in Erie County is a very selfish, self-centered attitude among many residents. North and Mike are two suburban examples, but I know I could also find some cityfolk on this MB to chime in that Buffalo residents are "subsidizing" everybody else if I bothered to look for them. It seems that too many people are worried that they're not getting their share or that somebody's getting more than his share, and not interested in the whole community. I don't think it's just developed because many of the institutions that seem to be manifestations of this attitude (like city, town, and county IDAs) have been around for a while.

    I don't know the causes of this selfishness, but it's detrimental to the entire county because it makes the county easy pickings for political charlatans like Joel Giambra. Instead of worrying if Grand Island or Brant are getting more for their county taxes than Buffalo or Tonawanda or West Seneca, perhaps county residents ought to ask these questions among many others:

    1. Why are County Legislators paid $42,000 for a part-time job?
    2. Why do CLs need "district" offices?
    3. Why do CLs need their own administrative staff?
    4. Why would Erie County need both a County Executive at $100,000+ and a County Manager at $200,000+?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda_D
    What I see in Erie County is a very selfish, self-centered attitude among many residents. North and Mike are two suburban examples, but I know I could also find some cityfolk on this MB to chime in that Buffalo residents are "subsidizing" everybody else if I bothered to look for them. It seems that too many people are worried that they're not getting their share or that somebody's getting more than his share, and not interested in the whole community. I don't think it's just developed because many of the institutions that seem to be manifestations of this attitude (like city, town, and county IDAs) have been around for a while.

    I don't know the causes of this selfishness, but it's detrimental to the entire county because it makes the county easy pickings for political charlatans like Joel Giambra. Instead of worrying if Grand Island or Brant are getting more for their county taxes than Buffalo or Tonawanda or West Seneca, perhaps county residents ought to ask these questions among many others:

    1. Why are County Legislators paid $42,000 for a part-time job?
    2. Why do CLs need "district" offices?
    3. Why do CLs need their own administrative staff?
    4. Why would Erie County need both a County Executive at $100,000+ and a County Manager at $200,000+?

    How in the world do you come to the conclusion that I am selfish. I think you are a bit to opinionated.

    Please post where I am complaining about how my county taxes are spent, or, where I feel I am being cheated by the county.

    You base that on my comment that Grand Island probably receives more in resources form the county then it pays in taxes? That's directed to an individual who is complaining about the county.

    Now I mean it- Why don't you worry about Jamestown and the Lucille Ball Museum!

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