Reply With QuoteThe NFL, like any other business, is out to make the best profit in the best locations. This area is not making them a huge profit.
Bills leave WNY
Bills stay in WNY - get new stadium
Bills stay in Orchard Park (No Change)
The possibility of losing the Buffalo Bills to another city keeps resurfacing as other cities are looking to get teams. I was curious what everyone else here thought about our chances of keeping the team.
- Is Ralph Wilson the only person preventing them from leaving? (When he is no longer in control of the Bills will they leave?)
- Might some other wealthy WNY'er step up to try and keep them here?
- Is our market (including southern Ontario) really that small compared with other markets?
- If we DO lose the Bills... what will be the real impact to WNY?
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The NFL, like any other business, is out to make the best profit in the best locations. This area is not making them a huge profit.
The Bills won't be going anywhere for a while.
and what makes you so sure about that?
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When that unfortunate time comes, Los Angeles and all that So.Cal. money will look pretty good.
...just more profesy. Don't need any evidence for some things. It's a gift.Originally Posted by WNYresident
The trick to Stevenco's prophecies is in the wording...
Define "anywhere" and define "a while"
ShhhhhhThe trick to Stevenco's prophecies is in the wording...
Define "anywhere" and define "a while"
as long as ralph is around the Bill will be here - we all know that...they're not going anywhere for "a while" ralph is in fine health for his age as far as anyone knows
What is the real impact of the Bills on WNY? Say we do lose them someday. Ralph moves on to a better place (heaven or hawaii, take your pick) and his kids immediately sell the team to the highest bidder the moment their contract is up.
The city takes a hit to its ego. That's for sure. But we're used to that by now. We'll have an abandoned stadium, except maybe for a few highschool games or festivals maybe. Besides that though, what are other results?
Would our economy suffer? How many local businesses directly support the Bills?
Would we lose national presence that would result in lost business opportunities?
How about the Canadian visitors? Would we lose their spending dollars? How much do they spend in WNY directly related to football? or do they just drive in and drive out? (lost tolls at least)
Would support for the Sabres pick up? Would we try to get Basketball or Baseball as a replacement?
I could get into NBA action if we had a team. That's the only way. I love the MarchMadness tourney, though. As for baseball, I could watch an entire preseason game between the Milwukee Brewers and KC Royals or any other MLB teams, with interest.
The bills revenue was 141 million last yr. Not super great like dallas (198)but nowhere near the bottom of the pack like arizona (126) or atlanta (133). Additionaly the bills have been in the top 10 for attendance every year for the past 10 yrs.
From Forbes:
Current
value(1)
$564 mil 1-yr value
change
23% Ann. Change
in value(2)
26% Debt/value(3) 12% Revenue $141 mil Operating income(4) $35.4 mil Player Expenses(5) $71 mil Gate Receipts(6) $28 mil
The skinny
Despite playing in one of the NFL's smallest markets, the Bills are very profitable teams and have seen the franchise's value increase dramatically the past few years. Prior to the 1999 season, owner Ralph Wilson extracted major stadium and lease improvements from Erie County, whereby team revenues from luxury suites and sponsorships have more than doubled. In addition, Buffalo has among the most ardent fans in football. Bills can leave Buffalo if they buy out their lease with Erie County for $20 million after this season. But Wilson would be nuts to leave this football-crazed city.
Major corporate sponsors are Choice One Communications (otc: CWON), Topps Friendly Market, Xerox (nyse: XRX), PepsiCo (nyse: PEP), Verizon Wireless.
People who wonder if the glass is half empty or full miss the point. The glass is refillable.
cool, steven thanks
Can anyone say Toronto? International is the key word in Baseball , Football not far behind.
Still think the Bills won't be leaving? Did you hear Ralph today? It's starting already...
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