Genoobie and Alan....

[WNYresident]

I need a 10 minute brain break..

As reference.

http://www.buffaloschools.org/district.cfm?subpage=68

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Public_Schools



Lets say they had an audit in the City of Buffalo and found an account with $200,000,000 dollars hidden away. No one can track where the money came from except it belongs to the City.

We all find out and I post up...

"What should the City do with the windfall"....

I make a comment why not take the 200,000,000 and invest to earn interest. Even at 4% the City could have a revenue stream of $8,000,000. The City could use that $8,000,000 to fix a lot of small things that may effect the quality of life for all residents...Pot holes, light fixtures, park items etc... Even use the 8 mil to promote tourism. You all mock me and tell me I'm an idiot.

Out of no where Phil registers and demands the Buffalo School district should receive all the funds. It's for the kids after all..

2860.6 (FTE)[2]

2142.7 (FTE)[2]

Employee to to student ratio:

34000 students / 5000 employees = 6.8 students per each employee.

I see there is a total of about 5000 employees.... Phil demands bonuses...

$200,000,000 / 5000 employees = $40,000 per employee one lump sum for 2014. Teachers agree with this idea. After all it is for the kids you know... Right Alan and Genoobie?


Then I post up my idea...

I say why not take the $200,000,000 and give it to the kids... You know if it for the kids after all....

$200,000,000 / 34,000 = $5,882 per child to be used for their educational needs. The parents control their own windfall to specifically help their own children's education. Each receives a debit card that can only ring out for specific approved items. If any funny business happens the debit card is instantly cancelled and the parent is made fun of by the red coats on channel 2.

Items could be....

A specific computer, pens/pencils, books, clothing, private tutoring, service to call to make sure the kids are up on time, a specific need of the child. You have 4 kids you get 4 windfalls to be used for the kids needs. We are all created equal that includes kids.

We could have "group purchases" where a group of parents combine their windfall to get their neighborhood school something that would benefit a group of kids.

20 parents might see a need for security at the school their children attend. 20 X $5890 = $117,800. 2 security guard could be hired.

20 parents might have children that need tutoring. $117,800 could hire 2 people to tutor the group if kids after hours or at the public library.

20 parents might have work conflicts. They could hire someone to somewhat baby sit the kids at a community center/library until the parents are home.

Maybe 20 parents think a community garden could teach their kids something over the summer that interests them. 20 parents from another school think it is a good idea also and decide to do a summer contest of who can grow the most. Give the kids a competitive streak. They form small community gardens ran by teams of school kids.

Maybe 20 parents want to teach their children live stock raising. Teach basic animal farming over the summer.

Maybe some parents see a need to get kids interested in robotics and want to start an in school program. They could get together with the interested kids, parents and fund a small program. The kids could compete against other school and crush them.

Maybe one school has a music program but it isn't funded as it used to be. Parents can group up and purchase enough instruments to form a small band.

Maybe one school has a sports program but it isn't funded as it used to be. Parents can group up and purchase sporting equipment.

Maybe a group of parents see a gang that is poisoning their children with drugs. They can pool their money and hire Chuck Norris to eradicate the gang. Or demolish the house that drags are being sold from...


You get the drift?


So Alan and Genoobie... which idea would benefit the children more? It is for the kids after all...

[Genoobie]

Here's my solution based on the message board themes..

Get the ten wealthiest "net taxpayers" in Buffalo (after all they all work hard for that wealth) and have a drawing and give one of them the $200M. Then that way they can grow their business and hire people. They're the job creators after all. Of course, everybody who is less wealthy than that can take a hike because they must not be smart enough to become the best (richest). If they hire their friends, so be it. If they sink the money into the derivatives market, even better because that way they can just come back for another $200M. After all, it will eventually trickle down to the children.

Let's take a look at Paladino who runs on the "I'm for neighborhood schools" ticket, unless of course the rental of his property to a charter school is to his benefit. Then he can bus kids all the way around the city. Maybe he's doing it so that these poor children can be bussed through "nice" neighborhoods and that way they'll learn how to make their neighborhoods "nice".

In fact, let's just give the money to Carl cause he'll do what's best for the kids.

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

Let's take a look at Paladino who runs on the "I'm for neighborhood schools" ticket, unless of course the rental of his property to a charter school is to his benefit. Then he can bus kids all the way around the city. Maybe he's doing it so that these poor children can be bussed through "nice" neighborhoods and that way they'll learn how to make their neighborhoods "nice".

In fact, let's just give the money to Carl cause he'll do what's best for the kids.

You have talked about the fruit belt community charter school several times...so I am going to assume you have done some research on it. So, I have a couple of questions.

The name of the school is the Aloma D Johnson Fruit Belt Community Charter School and I get the feeling that you feel that it should be located in the Fruit Belt. I am going to assume this is because of the name. So..

Just how many kids live within a 1 mile radius of 833 Michigan Ave Buffalo, NY 14203? Since you seem to be mocking Carl on his ideas for neighborhood schools and have issue with a neighborhood school in the fruit belt being moved, I am sure you have some statistics that would support a neighborhood school being in this location. I hope I am right. Going further, and leaning on your expert insider knowledge, can you tell me how many kids live within a 1 mile radius of 15 Jewett Pkwy, Buffalo, NY?

The reason I am asking these two specific questions is you seem to be connecting the change of address for a neighborhood school as being a contradiction by Carl who supports having schools be based on neighborhoods. So I am sure you have some statistics to show that there are enough students (within walking distance) of 833 Michigan Ave Buffalo, NY 14203 to support a neighborhood school. Right?

If this is not the case, then it would appear that you're suggesting that neighborhood charter schools should remain in locations where there are not enough kids to support it actually being a neighborhood school...simply because a specific neighborhood is in the name. Am I wrong?

Better put, if the name was always the Aloma D Johnson Super Awesome Community School, would you have an issue with it moving? After all, good logic would say that if you want to have a neighborhood school...you should locate in neighborhoods with...you know...kids to attend the school. Now, you think that people should be get promotions and raises without consideration to performance...so maybe you think that neighborhood schools should exist without actual neighborhoods...so I figured I would ask.

Gonna hang up to listen to your answer now....

[Genoobie]

You have talked about the fruit belt community charter school several times...so I am going to assume you have done some research on it. So, I have a couple of questions.

The name of the school is the Aloma D Johnson Fruit Belt Community Charter School and I get the feeling that you feel that it should be located in the Fruit Belt. I am going to assume this is because of the name. So..

Just how many kids live within a 1 mile radius of 833 Michigan Ave Buffalo, NY 14203? Since you seem to be mocking Carl on his ideas for neighborhood schools and have issue with a neighborhood school in the fruit belt being moved, I am sure you have some statistics that would support a neighborhood school being in this location. I hope I am right. Going further, and leaning on your expert insider knowledge, can you tell me how many kids live within a 1 mile radius of 15 Jewett Pkwy, Buffalo, NY?

The reason I am asking these two specific questions is you seem to be connecting the change of address for a neighborhood school as being a contradiction by Carl who supports having schools be based on neighborhoods. So I am sure you have some statistics to show that there are enough students (within walking distance) of 833 Michigan Ave Buffalo, NY 14203 to support a neighborhood school. Right?

If this is not the case, then it would appear that you're suggesting that neighborhood charter schools should remain in locations where there are not enough kids to support it actually being a neighborhood school...simply because a specific neighborhood is in the name. Am I wrong?

Better put, if the name was always the Aloma D Johnson Super Awesome Community School, would you have an issue with it moving? After all, good logic would say that if you want to have a neighborhood school...you should locate in neighborhoods with...you know...kids to attend the school. Now, you think that people should be get promotions and raises without consideration to performance...so maybe you think that neighborhood schools should exist without actual neighborhoods...so I figured I would ask.

Gonna hang up to listen to your answer now....

The attendees of the Aloma D. Johnson Charter School are principally residents of this neighborhood, yes. The school is scoring far below state standards, but that's expected. It is doing about the same on standardized testing as Buffalo Public.

The school added a new class and enrollment is steady (reference NYS Report Card). So yes, it appears that there are enough children to support the neighborhood school. If there weren't enough kids to support the enrollment at the school, why wouldn't Paladino simply shut the school down and support enrollment at the neighborhood school that's there (Futures Academy I think)? As far as I know, the kids in the Jewett neighborhood have a neighborhood school to go to and there are other schools that are near the Aloma D. Johnson school.

Actually, because 3012-c is law, your employment is tied to performance. Oh well, guess you are wrong again. I am not against neighborhood schools. I support them actually, but if Paladino has an empty building that needs a tenant, he'll be glad to help out by providing the building and billing the BPS for transportation costs. But, hey, that's OK because he's Carl. He's doing it for the kids.

[leftWNYbecauseofBS]

The attendees of the Aloma D. Johnson Charter School are principally residents of this neighborhood, yes. The school is scoring far below state standards, but that's expected. It is doing about the same on standardized testing as Buffalo Public.

The school added a new class and enrollment is steady (reference NYS Report Card). So yes, it appears that there are enough children to support the neighborhood school. If there weren't enough kids to support the enrollment at the school, why wouldn't Paladino simply shut the school down and support enrollment at the neighborhood school that's there (Futures Academy I think)? As far as I know, the kids in the Jewett neighborhood have a neighborhood school to go to and there are other schools that are near the Aloma D. Johnson school.

Actually, because 3012-c is law, your employment is tied to performance. Oh well, guess you are wrong again. I am not against neighborhood schools. I support them actually, but if Paladino has an empty building that needs a tenant, he'll be glad to help out by providing the building and billing the BPS for transportation costs. But, hey, that's OK because he's Carl. He's doing it for the kids.

I don't care about the scores for this conversation. I don't care about performance for this conversation. You're just throwing up random items and not answering my question. Blowing smoke...because you either have no idea what you're talking about or know you're wrong.


You talk about enrollment numbers but are unable to show where those kids live. Again, the point of a neighborhood school is to have the school located near where the kids live. Did it occur to you at any point that maybe the school looked at where the students lived and decided to move to a central location or a better location to suite THE MOST KIDS POSSIBLE?

Why would you shut down a school when a move is possible? 'As far as you know' means very little to me. Until you show numbers that say otherwise, the only thing that ties this school to the Fruit Belt is the name.

[Genoobie]

I don't care about the scores for this conversation. I don't care about performance for this conversation. You're just throwing up random items and not answering my question. Blowing smoke...because you either have no idea what you're talking about or know you're wrong.

You talk about enrollment numbers but are unable to show where those kids live. Again, the point of a neighborhood school is to have the school located near where the kids live. Did it occur to you at any point that maybe the school looked at where the students lived and decided to move to a central location or a better location to suite THE MOST KIDS POSSIBLE?
Why would you shut down a school when a move is possible? 'As far as you know' means very little to me. Until you show numbers that say otherwise, the only thing that ties this school to the Fruit Belt is the name.

Duh, stupid me. You're right the Aloma D. Johnson Charter School gets enrollment from the Parkside community to where it is moving. In fact, I see the minority enrollment is 92% at the school, funny, I didn't see so many minorities in the destination neighborhood. Do you have evidence to prove otherwise since you seem to be speaking from a superior perspective? The school's webpage boasts St. John's Fruit Belt Community Development Association as a partner.

*Snort*, you're right though. They're bussing the kids in Williamsville to attend the school. Haha, right, the Fruit Belt Charter gets their students from Clarence because clearly that school system is all effed up.

Of course, you have data to show that the move to Paladino's building has nothing to do with Paladino's conflict of interest as a primary lessor to multiple charter schools and now as a member of the BBOE.

Your argument is smoke and mirrors. Of course the enrollment is from the Fruit Belt. Who else would attend this school with the choice of schools that are Buffalo?

[WNYresident]

34000 children and 5000 employees gives a employee to child ratio of 6.8:1. That seems like a lot of employees

[Genoobie]

I don't care about the scores for this conversation. I don't care about performance for this conversation. You're just throwing up random items and not answering my question. Blowing smoke...because you either have no idea what you're talking about or know you're wrong.


You talk about enrollment numbers but are unable to show where those kids live. Again, the point of a neighborhood school is to have the school located near where the kids live. Did it occur to you at any point that maybe the school looked at where the students lived and decided to move to a central location or a better location to suite THE MOST KIDS POSSIBLE?

Why would you shut down a school when a move is possible? 'As far as you know' means very little to me. Until you show numbers that say otherwise, the only thing that ties this school to the Fruit Belt is the name.

So I went to Aloma D. Johnson charter school today after work and I had a talk with the Assistant Principal. I told her I have school aged children and I am near their new location and I'd like to find out more about the school, especially since they will be moving soon. I asked a few questions about if that would be disruptive, etc., and I made some more small talk about the school's mission, blah blah blah. Finally, I asked about the neighborhood characteristic, to which she replied that it would be sad that they were leaving that location because they serve so many students in this neighborhood. I said, "Oh, are there a lot of students from this neighborhood, because of the "Fruit Belt Charter" in the title, and she said "Oh, about 90% of the kids are from the area." And then we had some more small talk about their art program because they had lillies on the wall in the style of Monet and I left. She was very kind and was eager for me to fill out an application before I left, but I said I would drop it off.

Gee whiz...whoda thunk it??

[WNYresident]

Here's my solution based on the message board themes..

Get the ten wealthiest "net taxpayers" in Buffalo (after all they all work hard for that wealth) and have a drawing and give one of them the $200M. Then that way they can grow their business and hire people. They're the job creators after all. Of course, everybody who is less wealthy than that can take a hike because they must not be smart enough to become the best (richest). If they hire their friends, so be it. If they sink the money into the derivatives market, even better because that way they can just come back for another $200M. After all, it will eventually trickle down to the children.

Let's take a look at Paladino who runs on the "I'm for neighborhood schools" ticket, unless of course the rental of his property to a charter school is to his benefit. Then he can bus kids all the way around the city. Maybe he's doing it so that these poor children can be bussed through "nice" neighborhoods and that way they'll learn how to make their neighborhoods "nice".

In fact, let's just give the money to Carl cause he'll do what's best for the kids.

You did not answer my question. I gave two scenarios and would like to know which one you think would benefit the children the most...The money either goes to the school employees or the children.. No one else. If I wanted Carl involved in this adventure I would have included him.

BUT you did bring up a point in my favor.....

From the two scenarios I mentioned... 1) give it out as bonuses or 2) give it directly to the children, 2 is a job creator.

Tutors could be hired that didn't have work before hand, businesses would grow selling educational items the kids may need, sales people might make some extra commission and pay down their debt, some people might be hired as security guards, the businesses that sell gardening supplies might get some unexpected orders, the little company that makes Flutophones might get an order and Chuck Norris might get some part time work. Didn't even think of the job creation angle.

Now I would like you to tell me which of the two scenarios would benefit the children the most?

[Genoobie]

You did not answer my question. I gave two scenarios and would like to know which one you think would benefit the children the most...The money either goes to the school employees or the children.. No one else. If I wanted Carl involved in this adventure I would have included him.

BUT you did bring up a point in my favor.....

From the two scenarios I mentioned... 1) give it out as bonuses or 2) give it directly to the children, 2 is a job creator.

Tutors could be hired that didn't have work before hand, businesses would grow selling educational items the kids may need, sales people might make some extra commission and pay down their debt, some people might be hired as security guards, the businesses that sell gardening supplies might get some unexpected orders, the little company that makes Flutophones might get an order and Chuck Norris might get some part time work. Didn't even think of the job creation angle.

Now I would like you to tell me which of the two scenarios would benefit the children the most?

Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. I have gone on record multiple times saying that I would have given my 3 years of step freeze and no wage increase for 10 years in exchange for an equivalent amount of classroom equipment. (Amounts to about $5K per year because of the wage freeze.)

But I will maintain that if $200M were found the scenario that would be touted on the MB would be, don't give it to anyone except some "job creators". Again, take the 10 wealthiest residents and have them draw straws. Put this in the hands of one wealthy resident and they could make jobs. Right? For the other intelligent business owners who are more efficient (because they are able to succeed with much less capital), screw them because they weren't born wealthy or into a wealthy business. If you are wealthy, you are entitled to every penny, and in fact, you deserve to be even wealthier because you come from a lineage of intelligent people that worked hard to make wealth and so that must imply you have better breeding and are superior.

The people providing gardening tools and who are working retail would not be manufacturing anything so the "net producer" would be the CEO of a company that produced these goods in China. Therefore the $200M isn't really coming from anywhere. It would increase our foreign trade deficit as these service jobs that you mention aren't really "net production". If you tutor, you are not producing anything. If you work a cash register, you are not producing anything (and in fact, those people should have been laid off years ago because of automated checkout lines and tutors aren't necessary because people should just read more books if they don't understand something and of course the internet is a great resource that is offered at nearly every public library). Processing orders is not production. They are simply a medium to the manufacturer who haven't figured out yet how to get their goods to market without retail.

In fact, a company that has, Tesla motors, is receiving HUGE opposition from the auto retailers because they don't have dealerships and are direct sellers. Selling directly is a dirty word...What happened to your free market economics here? Wealthy businesses owners manipulated government to benefit them. I guess that's capitalism for you. Too bad Tesla didn't pay off the right people to do business.

Wealthy business people prohibit competition

Actually, both scenario 1 and 2 are job creators because the employees would go out and spend the bonus. Those bonuses would be spent on various things and thus you'd have an equal amount of "job creation".

[WNYresident]

Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. I have gone on record multiple times saying that I would have given my 3 years of step freeze and no wage increase for 10 years in exchange for an equivalent amount of classroom equipment. (Amounts to about $5K per year because of the wage freeze.)

But I will maintain that if $200M were found the scenario that would be touted on the MB would be, don't give it to anyone except some "job creators". Again, take the 10 wealthiest residents and have them draw straws. Put this in the hands of one wealthy resident and they could make jobs. Right? For the other intelligent business owners who are more efficient (because they are able to succeed with much less capital), screw them because they weren't born wealthy or into a wealthy business. If you are wealthy, you are entitled to every penny, and in fact, you deserve to be even wealthier because you come from a lineage of intelligent people that worked hard to make wealth and so that must imply you have better breeding and are superior.

The people providing gardening tools and who are working retail would not be manufacturing anything so the "net producer" would be the CEO of a company that produced these goods in China. Therefore the $200M isn't really coming from anywhere. It would increase our foreign trade deficit as these service jobs that you mention aren't really "net production". If you tutor, you are not producing anything. If you work a cash register, you are not producing anything (and in fact, those people should have been laid off years ago because of automated checkout lines and tutors aren't necessary because people should just read more books if they don't understand something and of course the internet is a great resource that is offered at nearly every public library). Processing orders is not production. They are simply a medium to the manufacturer who haven't figured out yet how to get their goods to market without retail.

In fact, a company that has, Tesla motors, is receiving HUGE opposition from the auto retailers because they don't have dealerships and are direct sellers. Selling directly is a dirty word...What happened to your free market economics here? Wealthy businesses owners manipulated government to benefit them. I guess that's capitalism for you. Too bad Tesla didn't pay off the right people to do business.

Wealthy business people prohibit competition

Actually, both scenario 1 and 2 are job creators because the employees would go out and spend the bonus. Those bonuses would be spent on various things and thus you'd have an equal amount of "job creation".

You still didn't answer my question. I don't believe you will either. You created a third scenario.


I asked what would benefit the children more from these two scenarios I made up. I didn't asked about economic impact of the money being spent by the teachers versus the children. Or that you were free to add another scenario to what to do with the money. IE: give it to one of the wealthiest people.

Multiple Choice.

Which choice would benefit the child's education the most.

A) Each school employee receives a bonus of about $40000

B) Each child directly receives $5882 that the parent uses specifically for the child's educational needs.


There is a specific reason I asked.

And to reply to other items you posted:

The people providing gardening tools and who are working retail would not be manufacturing anything so the "net producer" would be the CEO of a company that produced these goods in China.

Not unless they were made in the states. Or at the Foundry in Buffalo. Maybe some kids want to learn to weld and make "Made in Buffalo" hand tools or garden gnomes.

If you tutor, you are not producing anything.

Yes you most certainly are. You are producing a smarter kid. Just as teachers produce smarter kids. But that doesn't mean we should pay government employees $120K, $140k, $180k a year to do so.

If you work a cash register, you are not producing anything

They most certainly are. They create service calls when their cash register breaks from all the sales they are ringing through. They might have children and each dollar they make could go into their child's education. I purposely go through the checkout lines that have cashiers before going through an automated lane. I knows tops has the automated lanes but I like Wegmans much better. I don't think they have automated yet. Get this months "Menu" magazine from Wegmans. Coupons and some tasty looking recipes this month.

In fact, a company that has, Tesla motors, is receiving HUGE opposition from the auto retailers because they don't have dealerships and are direct sellers. Selling directly is a dirty word...What happened to your free market economics here? Wealthy businesses owners manipulated government to benefit them. I guess that's capitalism for you. Too bad Tesla didn't pay off the right people to do business.

That really has nothing to do with the original question I asked.. Well it might. A group of kids might want to have an after school program to make an electric car to compete against other schools and crush them. 100 parents could pool their $5882 and have a budget of $588,200. They could hire two teachers at $80k a year and have $428,200 for parts/equipment.

[Genoobie]

You still didn't answer my question. I don't believe you will either. You created a third scenario.


I asked what would benefit the children more from these two scenarios I made up. I didn't asked about economic impact of the money being spent by the teachers versus the children. Or that you were free to add another scenario to what to do with the money. IE: give it to one of the wealthiest people.

Multiple Choice.

Which choice would benefit the child's education the most.

A) Each school employee receives a bonus of about $40000

B) Each child directly receives $5882 that the parent uses specifically for the child's educational needs.

The honest answer would be to give each teacher an approved card to spend on classroom supplies / educational equipment. Parents aren't necessarily going to spend the money responsibly. They may, for instance, buy an expensive product, sell it and keep the cash. What would benefit the children the most? Modeling the attempts to answer questions that have no solutions and neither scenario necessarily requires traditional schools or lots of money. In fact, I have often maintained that the residency requirement should be re-instated and that public school budgets halved with the rest of the money going to projects to develop and beautify Buffalo. Of course, some well-heeled businessperson (i.e. not a net producer), will step in and surely pocket significant amounts of capital for themselves (see: Ciminelli $1B reconstruction of Buffalo Public Schools).

Not unless they were made in the states. Or at the Foundry in Buffalo. Maybe some kids want to learn to weld and make "Made in Buffalo" hand tools or garden gnomes.

Then people would claim those businesses are getting an unfair subsidy / taxbreak / etc.

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Yes you most certainly are. You are producing a smarter kid. Just as teachers produce smarter kids. But that doesn't mean we should pay government employees $120K, $140k, $180k a year to do so.
[/QUOTE]
Smoke and mirrors, there's no way to "measure" that product (except by test scores). Teachers don't necessarily produce smarter kids. In fact, yet another study comes out showing that under the present educational paradigms teachers have but a small impact. If you were to change how "success" is measured than you might have a case.

Regarding cashiers

They most certainly are. They create service calls when their cash register breaks from all the sales they are ringing through. They might have children and each dollar they make could go into their child's education. I purposely go through the checkout lines that have cashiers before going through an automated lane. I knows tops has the automated lanes but I like Wegmans much better. I don't think they have automated yet. Get this months "Menu" magazine from Wegmans. Coupons and some tasty looking recipes this month.

Then you are subscribing to an inefficient business model. How un-capitalistic of you. Why not automate all the lanes (The stores probably get some tax credit for employing people that's why and we are thus indirectly subsidizing antiquated ways of doing business. We should demand an end to this kind of practice.)

That really has nothing to do with the original question I asked.. Well it might. A group of kids might want to have an after school program to make an electric car to compete against other schools and crush them. 100 parents could pool their $5882 and have a budget of $588,200. They could hire two teachers at $80k a year and have $428,200 for parts/equipment.

Actually, it does because it illustrates that only the wealthiest businesses can persuade the market forces (including government) to bring to bear business in their favor. It's just one more force to contend with to become wealthy in the US. It helps ensure that social mobility is difficult and really preserving class (status quo) is the name of the game. The failing schools mantra is simply one to bolster property values and subsequently real-estate values to make surrounding areas "exclusive" and inaccesible to lower income residents.

Maybe sending kids from Buffalo to Clarence would help them the most. Take the bottom 10% of the senior class from Buffalo (along with their funding) and stick them in a high school in Clarence and let's see how they fare. Since you are expecting the teachers to work miracles and any grade level.

[buffalopundit]

I need a 10 minute brain break..

As reference.

http://www.buffaloschools.org/district.cfm?subpage=68

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Public_Schools



Lets say they had an audit in the City of Buffalo and found an account with $200,000,000 dollars hidden away. No one can track where the money came from except it belongs to the City.

We all find out and I post up...

"What should the City do with the windfall"....

I make a comment why not take the 200,000,000 and invest to earn interest. Even at 4% the City could have a revenue stream of $8,000,000. The City could use that $8,000,000 to fix a lot of small things that may effect the quality of life for all residents...Pot holes, light fixtures, park items etc... Even use the 8 mil to promote tourism. You all mock me and tell me I'm an idiot.

Out of no where Phil registers and demands the Buffalo School district should receive all the funds. It's for the kids after all..

2860.6 (FTE)[2]

2142.7 (FTE)[2]

Employee to to student ratio:

34000 students / 5000 employees = 6.8 students per each employee.

I see there is a total of about 5000 employees.... Phil demands bonuses...

$200,000,000 / 5000 employees = $40,000 per employee one lump sum for 2014. Teachers agree with this idea. After all it is for the kids you know... Right Alan and Genoobie?


Then I post up my idea...

I say why not take the $200,000,000 and give it to the kids... You know if it for the kids after all....

$200,000,000 / 34,000 = $5,882 per child to be used for their educational needs. The parents control their own windfall to specifically help their own children's education. Each receives a debit card that can only ring out for specific approved items. If any funny business happens the debit card is instantly cancelled and the parent is made fun of by the red coats on channel 2.

Items could be....

A specific computer, pens/pencils, books, clothing, private tutoring, service to call to make sure the kids are up on time, a specific need of the child. You have 4 kids you get 4 windfalls to be used for the kids needs. We are all created equal that includes kids.

We could have "group purchases" where a group of parents combine their windfall to get their neighborhood school something that would benefit a group of kids.

20 parents might see a need for security at the school their children attend. 20 X $5890 = $117,800. 2 security guard could be hired.

20 parents might have children that need tutoring. $117,800 could hire 2 people to tutor the group if kids after hours or at the public library.

20 parents might have work conflicts. They could hire someone to somewhat baby sit the kids at a community center/library until the parents are home.

Maybe 20 parents think a community garden could teach their kids something over the summer that interests them. 20 parents from another school think it is a good idea also and decide to do a summer contest of who can grow the most. Give the kids a competitive streak. They form small community gardens ran by teams of school kids.

Maybe 20 parents want to teach their children live stock raising. Teach basic animal farming over the summer.

Maybe some parents see a need to get kids interested in robotics and want to start an in school program. They could get together with the interested kids, parents and fund a small program. The kids could compete against other school and crush them.

Maybe one school has a music program but it isn't funded as it used to be. Parents can group up and purchase enough instruments to form a small band.

Maybe one school has a sports program but it isn't funded as it used to be. Parents can group up and purchase sporting equipment.

Maybe a group of parents see a gang that is poisoning their children with drugs. They can pool their money and hire Chuck Norris to eradicate the gang. Or demolish the house that drags are being sold from...


You get the drift?


So Alan and Genoobie... which idea would benefit the children more? It is for the kids after all...

I have no idea what you're talking about. You want the district to hand $5k over to kids' parents because they found a windfall? But it's the city's money?

[granpabob]

after all the law suits and studies are over about how to use the money and court cases to blaim someone for losing that much money. Whatever is left ten years from now should pay off debt. and maybe not beg for so much from the state of new york

[WNYresident]

after all the law suits and studies are over about how to use the money and court cases to blaim someone for losing that much money. Whatever is left ten years from now should pay off debt. and maybe not beg for so much from the state of new york

We are going to assume none of that will be allowed to happen. I could have used an example that "Mr. Iam Loaded" passed away and left $200,000,000 to the City of Buffalo versus a lost past account holding the funds.