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    Does anyone watch anything other than the crappy news we have in the U.S.?

    Since dumping Time Warner for, well, nothing, I have taken to watching online TV stations from overseas.

    Does anyone ever watch any news from overseas? It's completely different from what we see here. Watch our news and you'd think we were the only country in the world that's in trouble. Watch the news from pretty much any other country in the world and they're talking very seriously about WORLD economy collapse.

    You also learn things about our own government that you will never hear from news here. And it's delivered completely different. None of the sensationalist BS you get here. It's just refreshing, and I can't even put my finger on all the reasons why.

    The sad part is, a lot of countries idolize us here and follow every stupid Hollywood star and every new song on the pop charts. Yikes!

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    Yes. I watch "The National", the Canadian news channel. Not all the time but weekly or more.

    I have listened to Canadian news for some time, but I find the National fascinating and informative, but mostly factual. No gut wrenching, no blood.

    And a different slant on what's happening. Canada is very dependent on America in a lot of ways, so they're interested in "south of the border".

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    Yes, Canadian news is better than ours, but it's still not as good as what you get from the other side of the Atlantic.

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    I am shocked that no one else touched this. Everyone here talks about how we're all "dumbed down" here in the U.S. but the thought of watching something a little better than "News For American Dummies" is what to you?

    LOL, this board never ceases to amuse me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justKel View Post
    Yes, Canadian news is better than ours, but it's still not as good as what you get from the other side of the Atlantic.
    Canadian "news" is no better than ours.

    Libretard news is Libretard news no matter what country it's spewed from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justKel View Post
    I am shocked that no one else touched this. Everyone here talks about how we're all "dumbed down" here in the U.S. but the thought of watching something a little better than "News For American Dummies" is what to you?

    LOL, this board never ceases to amuse me.
    read a magazine called the economist,, seriously read it, then thank me for directing you to such.

    a good even sometimes liberal but mostly accurate picture of how the world looks at us,, it is published in England I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justKel View Post
    Since dumping Time Warner for, well, nothing, I have taken to watching online TV stations from overseas.

    Does anyone ever watch any news from overseas? It's completely different from what we see here. Watch our news and you'd think we were the only country in the world that's in trouble. Watch the news from pretty much any other country in the world and they're talking very seriously about WORLD economy collapse.

    You also learn things about our own government that you will never hear from news here. And it's delivered completely different. None of the sensationalist BS you get here. It's just refreshing, and I can't even put my finger on all the reasons why.

    The sad part is, a lot of countries idolize us here and follow every stupid Hollywood star and every new song on the pop charts. Yikes!
    I agree. One of my favorite things about living out in the intermountain west and relying on an antennae was that I got the BBC. I really enjoyed seeing how they viewed situations "across the pond." Their news also had so much more content and actually required basic thought and critical thinking to keep up with. I'd take it over any of the local programs any day. Plus you know the anchor has to be confident with himself if he will wear a courderoy or plaid suit on the air.

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    Don't forget, though, our two TV channels which do bring so much to us; things I've always wondered about.

    The other night, a documentary on J Robert Oppenheimer.

    Last night, one on what NSA knew before 9/11.

    These stories are profoundly sad, not just for us but for mankind.

    And I know two parts of a puzzle which will impact us for decades, especially the one about Oppenheimer.

    WNED is not perfect. Its funding is down and Neocons have been struggling to disable it for a long time.

    I want to listen to those Europeans stations, kel, and how do I go about it?

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    I listen to 1520 AM, Air America and Randi Rhodes.
    RARELY watch TV news anymore;All American stations basically carry the same angle to a given story, especially those concerning the government.
    Olbmermann & Maddow don't tell me much I do not already know.
    European news?
    Most of these nations' news are just as censored as good old U.S. news.

    Anyone can tell me where to watch GOOD no-holds-barred, no BS no talking point TV news, I'll glue myself to the TV like a zombie.

    In the meantime, for my news sources its basically the radio and a handful of websites whose content I actually believe.

    Sad & sickening what's become of "journalism" thanks to the neocon's clamping down on the real news;Infotainment, celebrity breakdowns, real crime stories and other filler has usurped the news, the truth, the details we should be hearing but dumbed down, watered down propagandized incomplete news stories have become the norm for much of the population.

    News that makes us think critically, about the world in which we live, about ourselves and our well-being;This kind of news has become the exception while the rule has become one of misinformation, ignorance, confusion, blind belief (in the news) and so many other tragedies of the human condition.


    Scuse me. BAD headache from banging my head against the wall after watching a few minutes of Sean Hannity interview the minister of propaganda, Rush Lindbaugh.


    RE: News in America;Those journalists who did not "play ball" during the Bush years were summarily fired, blackllisted and humiliated.
    Dan Rather was one of THOUSANDS.
    Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys.

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    http://wwitv.com

    Lots of TV feeds from all over the world. Some live, some archives/v-casts.

    I usually watch BBC or RTE from Ireland, but there's literally hundreds to choose from, many not in English though.

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    If a foreign new cast carries stories of major importance (about the United States) that you heard little or nothing about watching network TV, that's a station(s) to keep watching.

    "What the hell?! Why didn't I hear about this on MSNBC?!" Good rule of thumb.

    When FIVE corporations own 98% of the media and the media (in America) carries the same talking points with some variations the news has become nothing more than propaganda.


    I just thought of China's strict restrictions on 'Google' searches by the people and how censored THEIR news stories must be.

    Were the news honest and covered EVERYTHING including the coffins coming back from Iraq and more raw Vietnam-type coverage of the war,
    we'd have been out of Iraq years ago but almost ALL news and commentary is loyal to the government, NOT the people of the United States.

    How many people are going to sit down and read 'The Nation' cover to cover?! VERY heavy, detailed reading which requires both patience and thinking.
    Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbfounded View Post
    RE: News in America;Those journalists who did not "play ball" during the Bush years were summarily fired, blackllisted and humiliated.
    Dan Rather was one of THOUSANDS.
    Guess you banged you head a weeee bit too hard.
    Rather was fired for broadcasting a story based on fraudulent documents.
    Well that and piss poor ratings.

    Can you name just a few of the "thousands" of others.
    Hillary will NEVER be President
    Obama is a FORMER President
    Joe Biden is in Scranton eating paste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justKel View Post
    http://wwitv.com

    Lots of TV feeds from all over the world. Some live, some archives/v-casts.

    I usually watch BBC or RTE from Ireland, but there's literally hundreds to choose from, many not in English though.
    I haven't watched "OR-TE for some years, now. I watch a lot of BBC but is the Irish channel still on WNED?

    Thanks for the link!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILOVEDNY View Post
    Guess you banged you head a weeee bit too hard.
    Rather was fired for broadcasting a story based on fraudulent documents.
    Well that and piss poor ratings.

    Can you name just a few of the "thousands" of others.
    The documents were true.

    Exposing the President as a draft-dodging, drunken drug using spoiled blue-blood who got bumped ahead of thousands of LEGIT candidates for the Texas Air National Guard ends your career as a journalist.

    I ALMOST pity your closed-minded "will only listen to the right" mindset,
    but you have free will and although you have not excercised it to your full capacity, it IS your right to keep a closed mind.

    As far as the thousands of journalists fired, I'm positive that I could find articles citing isolated incidents but this IS a hard fact to prove.
    Suffice it to say, the government is in near total control of the content of the media and any newsmen/women would would "dare" do a story embarassing the govt, a major corporation (does not have to be a sponsor) or any other of the huge "movers and shakers" loses their job.
    Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys.

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    All fact based:There is no more "free unbiased media"

    9. How Advertising Pressure Can Corrupt a Free Press

    Source: Center for the Study of Commercialism, 1875 Connecticut Avenue NW, Ste. 300 Washington, DC 20009-5728, Date: March 1992, Title: "Dictating Content: How Advertising Pressure Can Corrupt a Free Press," Author: Ronald K.L. Collins (Foreword by Todd Gitlin)

    SYNOPSIS: The free press in America isn't free at all -- at least from the influence of advertisers on the content of the news. While people fear governmental control of the media, a far more subtle yet pervasive influence comes from advertiser pressure. "Dictating Content: How Advertising Pressure Can Corrupt a Free Press," a report by the Center for the Study of Commercialism, documents dozens of examples of advertiser censorship in the media.

    One of the crudest forms of censorship is defined as "direct economic censorship," which occurs when an advertiser overtly dictates to the mass media what the public shall or shall not hear. Examples include the impact on consumer reporting on the automotive industry, which throws around its weight with huge advertising budgets. "We don't even bother with auto-related stories anymore," says Seattle reporter Herb Weisbaum. "Even a simple consumer education story on how to buy a new car can draw the wrath of local car dealers." He adds, "Stories are being killed ... watered down; and saddest of all, stories are not even being attempted because reporters know they'll never make it on the air."

    Similarly, the major ad revenues spent on the local level by realtors and retail stores influence coverage of their industries. The extraordinary influence of tobacco advertisers on the coverage of smoking and its connection with cancer is also documented.

    Other forms of media bias include reporter self-censorship (when the specter of an advertiser's reaction dissuades a reporter from even suggesting a particular story); reporting fake news (advertiser created reports or news segments presented as legitimate, unbiased news accounts); using stories as bait (stories that purposefully flatter current or potential advertisers); using puff pieces to increase ad revenues.

    Achieving editorial independence is difficult, given the pressure for advertising income. And those who try to maintain journalistic integrity often face a real threat to their livelihood. According to the journalists responsible for the "Dictating Content" report, "When interviewed for this report, reporters caught in the crossfire between advertisers and editors requested anonymity for fear of losing their jobs or being blacklisted." One editor confirmed he was fired after clashing with his publisher over advertiser influence; the publisher added that he would jeopardize his future in the industry if he talked for the record. One long-time reporter was fired for apparently embarrassing his publisher when quoted about his paper's "sensitivity to car advertisers."


    COMMENTS: Many media critics have accused the press of being vulnerable to advertiser pressure in the past. Until now, however, there hasn't been broad evidence of how that dynamic works. Thanks to the Center for the Study of Commercialism, in Washington, DC, such evidence is available, albeit still ignored by the press itself. Author Ronald K.L. Collins describes the study and how it was received by the news media:

    "To the best of our knowledge, 'Dictating Content' was the First report of its kind addressing the topic of how advertising pressure may affect editorial content in the print and electronic media. The report cited more than 60 specific instances of print and/or electronic media, advertising-related censorship, including over two dozen never before revealed. ('A remarkable achievement, considering how terrorized are most newsrooms when the question is broached,' wrote Doug Ireland of the Village Voice, 3/24/92.)

    "For the first time, the report told Americans -- particularly consumers -- how the content of the media information may be influenced by direct or indirect advertising pressure. Such information may have a significant impact on some of the most important decisions Americans make, from the homes and the cars they buy to the pharmaceutical drugs they may need. Moreover, public knowledge of advertising pressure connected to alcohol and tobacco is vital to the public health and safety.

    "Some media (the Washington Post, for one) did not cover the story of our report because, according to one reporter, the problem was purportedly 'well known' within the journalism community (i.e., in the newsrooms, in the scholarly journals, etc.). Even if true, such arguments overlook an important fact: the public has been kept in the dark about this form of private censorship affecting freedom of the press.

    "In short, information of the kind set out in 'Dictating Content' is a crucial part of the public's Right To Know, without which the high goals of the First Amendment are unattainable.

    "Over 200 print and electronic media news organizations received press releases and press conference invitations concerning our report, 'Dictating Content.' While the report received limited to fair coverage in newspapers, it received absolutely no coverage by network TV and no coverage in any major magazine. The only TV coverage was a short March 12, 1992, Fox Morning TV News (Washington, DC) report. All major networks and magazines were sent advance press releases and/or copies of the report. Still, no network TV or major magazine reporters were assigned to cover the story-and none did.

    "Unless the sunlight of the media is shed brightly on the topic of advertising pressure affecting the press, then the problem is likely to continue and will probably grow worse. Too many editors and producers will remain timid in the face of ad pressure; too many reporters will remain reticent about doing stories that may be killed or may result in their firing; and all too often the public will be denied information vital to informed decision-making in the marketplace. Meanwhile, a vicious cycle of censorship will continue, trading the short-term gains of commerce for the long-term gains of uninhibited communication.


    So if corporations have the media by the nads,
    government has been fully transparent, cooperative, honest and communicative to the media?
    MOST of "journalists" and talk show soul-sellers still employed after the government's purge are those who puke up the govt-approved and heavily-edited talking points.

    One of the major signs of a fascist dictatorship? Government control of the media and if you think we STILL have a "free press," you're damned lucky to be in a "happy land" where Bill O' Reilly and Rush and your friends and everything the smiling and screaming people on the TV,
    the whining through the radio and the happy, happy newspapers and magazines-Everything you see, hear and read, respectively is TRUE in happy land, where the American dream is still alive and well and our system of government works just great!
    Last edited by Dumbfounded; February 5th, 2009 at 02:29 AM. Reason: Shortened article to make it more readable
    Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys.

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