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    Like you really care about spending on poor people. Give me a break.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Save Us View Post
    Personally I find it deplorable that our government is spending that much on ammunition and hardware for domestic use?! When more and more Americans are receiving public assistance and food stamps. It makes zero sense unless there is a war here that I am missing.
    This is a money-saving initiative. It's a wiser use of your tax dollars.

    People who don't own or shoot guns tend to grossly underestimate how much ammo is actually needed & used by a gun owner. 1.6 Billion sounds like a huge number, but it's not shocking to someone who shoots even on a semi-regular basis. I can go through 200-300 rounds in an hour at the range. I usually shoot about 100-150 because they are getting more and more expensive. Even as someone who shoots once a month, I can go through over 1,000 rounds in a year as a single person. A federal agency needs to arm it's agents, train it's agents, and have backup ammo for their agents for years to come.

    Here's a little tidbit: when the United States went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, there was such a shortage of small and medium caliber ammunition that there were limits placed on marksmanship training. That's embarrassing. To make up for the shortage, the United States had to buy poorly made munitions from foreign armies. These cheap foreign munitions were less accurate and more prone to jamming, during combat and training. Anyone who has to fire a gun on behalf of our country should be highly trained and have the most accurate and consistent ammo at their disposal.

    If people want to really rail about fiscal responsibility, they should attack the failed development of the Joint-Strike Fighter Jet ($2 Billion per aircraft), or the Trillions that went into saving bankers from their own toxic products, or the state procurement programs that buy $20,000 routers for tiny, one-room libraries in West Virginia.

    Food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorderBob View Post
    Like you really care about spending on poor people. Give me a break.
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    Another clueless post..... you have not a clue as to what others think about the poor. We would see were your priorities where if you pay was brought down to proper level of work output. Ya, give is a break alright, please give us a break.
    The above is opinion & commentary, I am exercising my 1st Amendment rights as a US citizen. Posts are NOT made with any malicious intent.

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    GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS BEST WHEN THEY ARE AFRAID OF THEIR PEOPLE.
    That is False! A govt functions best when they ARE their people... not when they're afraid of their people. If the govt was truly afraid of their own people then govt would do everything in their power to hide information and find ways to destroy their own people. Is that the America we want? No!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    That is False! A govt functions best when they ARE their people... not when they're afraid of their people. If the govt was truly afraid of their own people then govt would do everything in their power to hide information and find ways to destroy their own people. Is that the America we want? No!
    “A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!”

    T. Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by BorderBob View Post
    Like you really care about spending on poor people. Give me a break.




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    Actually I do. I also buy American, and give heavily to charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Save Us View Post
    “A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!”

    T. Jefferson
    WRONG AGAIN!

    Status: We have not found any evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny," or any of its listed variations.
    http://www.monticello.org/site/jeffe...bertyquotation

    I wish all of you that push these quotes out would do the research before you go public. You embarass yourselves.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BorderBob View Post
    WRONG AGAIN!



    http://www.monticello.org/site/jeffe...bertyquotation

    I wish all of you that push these quotes out would do the research before you go public. You embarass yourselves.




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    Sorry,

    “A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!”

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    Did you go to the site. He didn't say anything like that. Not at all.

    Comments: One source attributes this quotation to Thomas Jefferson in The Federalist.[4] The Federalist, however, was the work of Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison; it also does not contain the text of this quotation. This quotation is vaguely similar to Jefferson's comment in an 1825 letter to William Short: "Some are whigs, liberals, democrats, call them what you please. Others are tories, serviles, aristocrats, &c. The latter fear the people, and wish to transfer all power to the higher classes of society; the former consider the people as the safest depository of power in the last resort; they cherish them therefore, and wish to leave in them all the powers to the exercise of which they are competent."[5] To date however, the most likely source of this quotation appears to be a series of debates on socialism published in 1914, in which John Basil Barnhill said, "Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty."




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    Quote Originally Posted by BorderBob View Post
    Did you go to the site. He didn't say anything like that. Not at all.
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    Does not matter now... Save Us said it. Now it is valid... you can ignore truth all you want BB, it does not change it.
    The above is opinion & commentary, I am exercising my 1st Amendment rights as a US citizen. Posts are NOT made with any malicious intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Broughton View Post
    Does not matter now... Save Us said it. Now it is valid... you can ignore truth all you want BB, it does not change it.
    You don't seem to mind ignoring the truth when it doesn't back up your personal opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    You don't seem to mind ignoring the truth when it doesn't back up your personal opinion
    I do? I have no opinion that is based is falsehoods sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Broughton View Post
    I do? I have no opinion that is based is falsehoods sorry.
    Does not matter now... I said it. Now it is valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300miles View Post
    Does not matter now... I said it. Now it is valid.
    Yes it does, you accused now back it up!
    The above is opinion & commentary, I am exercising my 1st Amendment rights as a US citizen. Posts are NOT made with any malicious intent.

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    The whole point of quoting Thomas Jefferson is to add veracity to the idea. Since Jefferson never said it, it is not as effective as the poster hoped it would be. I like a lot of what TJ said, but I don't agree with his every word. Nor is anything he said beyond criticism just because he said it.

    But like BB said, check your sources before trying to end a debate by misquoting a founding father or taking them out of context.
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.

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