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    President’s Social Security Proposals In Trouble

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 28, 2005

    SCHUMER-LEVIN: PRESIDENT’S SOCIAL SECURITY PROPOSALS IN TROUBLE, PRIVATIZATION PLUS DEEP BENEFIT CUTS WORSE THAN PRIVATIZATION ALONE

    U.S. Senator Charles E. Schumer and Rep. Sander Levin (D-MI) held a joint conference call to respond to President Bush’s announcement last night that he wanted to not only privatize Social Security, but also include a plan that would deeply cut benefits to lower and middle class families. Schumer, a member of the Senate Finance Committee and Chairman of the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, and Levin, the senior Democrat on the House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Social Security have both been at the forefront on the policy debate on Social Security reform and stalwarts against reckless, deficit-exploding privatization plans.

    “The President has basically said that his Social Security reform runaway train has a big sign on the back saying ‘Privatization or Bust’ and the American people aren’t getting on that train,” Schumer said.

    “The President's offer of 'sliding scale' benefit cuts would result in the biggest benefit cut in the history of Social Security," said Rep. Levin. "Social Security is not a poverty program, it is a retirement system people have worked hard for, paid into and have earned. The President and Congressional Republicans are determined to replace the guarantee of Social Security with risky private accounts and massive benefit cuts"

    Sen. Schumer outlined a number of other points below in the conference call:

    - “These benefit cuts for the middle class are not chump change when you consider that one-fifth of all individuals over 65 rely on Social Security for all of their income, and two-thirds of individuals over 65 rely on it for more than half of their income.

    - “The President and his allies continue to talk about how people will be able to earn a higher rate in the market than they currently do through Social Security. This is like comparing apples to oranges. Social Security is an insurance program, not an investment plan. Comparing the market’s rate of return to the rate of return in an insurance program is a completely invalid concept.

    - “It’s hard to ignore that the stock market has essentially been flat for SIX YEARS – it is back where it was in April 1999. So the President is telling people that they will be better off in the market, but the market has risks – and what if the market is flat or down for several years in a row, like it has been now, right before people retire?

    - “It’s important for people to recognize that the same money cannot be used for two different purposes. That is one of the huge problems with the President’s plan. Current payroll taxes pay current benefits. If people are allowed to set a portion of their payroll taxes aside, and keep them for their own accounts, then trillions of dollars have to be borrowed to pay benefits to current retirees or near-retirees. Given that we have record deficits already, that’s bad economics.

    Schumer concluded, “The President has now made his privatization plan even less attractive. Mr. Pozen’s price indexing will cut benefits for people who earn as little as $20,000 a year. Privatization plus deep benefit cuts to middle class citizens is even worse than privatization alone. We urge the President to take privatization off the table and to create a bipartisan commission that can make the adjustments necessary to preserve Social Security for current retirees and future generations.”

    The President’s so-called progressive price indexing proposal will require deep benefit cuts for middle class seniors:

    - There would be at least a 28% benefit cut for a worker who is born five years from now, who retires at age 65, and who has average career earnings. {Social Security Administration Memo, Estimated Financial Effects of a Comprehensive Social Security Reform Proposal Including Progressive Price Indexing, 2/10/05}

    - There would be at least a 42% benefit cut for a worker who is born five years from now, who retires at age 65, and who has career earnings that are “the equivalent” of $59,000 in 2005. {Social Security Administration Memo, Estimated Financial Effects of a Comprehensive Social Security Reform Proposal Including Progressive Price Indexing, 2/10/05}

    OTHER KEY FACTS ON PROGRESSIVE PRICE INDEXING

    Deep Benefit Cuts for Average Earners Today. There would be a 24% benefit cut for a worker who is 25 years old today, who retires at age 65, and who has career earnings that are “the equivalent” of $59,000 in 2005. {Social Security Administration Memo, Estimated Financial Effects of a Comprehensive Social Security Reform Proposal Including Progressive Price Indexing, 2/10/05}

    Deep Benefit Cuts for Lower Waged Earners Tomorrow. There would be a 28% benefit cut for a worker who is born five years from now, who retires at age 65, and who has average career earnings (under the definition of average earnings of the Social Security Administration Actuaries’ office). In 2005, such average earnings is $36,000. {Social Security Administration Memo, Estimated Financial Effects of a Comprehensive Social Security Reform Proposal Including Progressive Price Indexing, 2/10/05}

    Deep Benefit Cuts for Average Earners Tomorrow. There would be a 42% benefit cut for a worker who is born five years from now, who retires at age 65, and who has career earnings that are “the equivalent” of $59,000 in 2005. {Social Security Administration Memo, Estimated Financial Effects of a Comprehensive Social Security Reform Proposal Including Progressive Price Indexing, 2/10/05}

    Benefit Cuts From Progressive Price Indexing Will Come On Top of the Privatization Tax in the Bush Plan. As a result of the President’s decision to couple so-called progressive price indexing with privatization, workers who choose private accounts will see their benefit cuts cut twice. “Under private accounts like those the President has proposed, the cost of the private accounts is offset by reducing substantially the Social Security benefits of those who elect the accounts. If progressive price indexing is combined with private accounts of this nature, Social Security benefits will be lowered twice — once due to the indexing changes and a second time to pay for the private accounts. As this analysis explains, the result would be that millions of middle-income workers would receive little or no Social Security benefits in retirement. They would be left largely with only their private account.” {Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, 4/26/05 (emphasis added)}

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    Social Security privitization is one of the dumbest ideas

    Social Security privitization is one of the dumbest ideas and there are alot of dumb ideas coming out of DC!

    Why is it dumb? Because:

    1) Medicare / Medicaid is in worse shape than Social Security and how did Bush fix it by tacking on a drug benefit.

    OF COURSE THE ESCALATING PRICES OF DRUGS WE NOT AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM WHEN DRUG ADVERTISING WAS BANNED! DRUG ADVERTISING IS AN UNNECESSARY COST OF DRUG PRODUCTION, WHY, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF BEST DRUGS ON THE MARKET ARE GENERICS AND GENERICS COME WITH ONE MAJOR BENEFIT - LONG TERM HISTORY OF SIDE EFFECTS.

    2) Private Accounts - well what exactly are 401ks, IRAs, annuities and other tax sheltered retirement savings vehicles.

    3) Considering the outsourcing of US Manufacturing (surplus to deficit), agriculture (surplus to deficit), refineries and chemical plants (surplus to deficit)....in other words the foundation of the US economy is being outsourced. ONE WOULD THINK THAT EDUCATION, WORK TRAINING, PORTABLE HEALTH CARE, PORTABLE RETIREMENT PENSIONS AND ASSURING THE LONG TERM COMPETITIVENESS OF OUR LOCAL AND NATIONAL ECONOMY WOULD BE A PRIORITY!

    ITS JUST LUNACY THAT THIS PRESIDENT IS ALLOWING THE US TO BE DIS-EMBOWELED WHILE HE IS OFF TRYING TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY AND INVADE MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES SO HE CAN FIGHT A PROXY RELIGIOUS WAR FOR ISRAEL AND EVANGELICALS!

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    Lets not forget that government cant budget year to year accurately!

    Lets not forget that government cant budget year to year accurately! MUCH LESS BUDGET ACCURATELY ENOUGH TO KNOW THE STATE OF SOCIAL SECURITIES FINANCES 40 YEARS FROM NOW!

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    I'm not too happy that my own benefits may be cut.

    But it's a price I'm willing to pay to give my children a chance at private accounts.

    Investing on their own is the best bet for assuring their own retirements and maybe having something to pass on to their own children.

    As to relying on the government, look what they're doing to me: after taking my money for 35 years, they now want to stroke a new deal, one that means I won't even get the paltry, average return on SS of 1.2%.
    Truth springs from argument among friends.

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    "Dubya has a long history of lying about Social Security. When he ran for Congress in 1978 he lied that unless people were given personal investment accounts Social Security would go broke by 1988!"
    _________________________________________________

    Oh yeah, we should put our "complete" trust in a man whose entire past is "shady" at best? Whose entire family history goes back to, and has ties with dealing with EVERY known enemy we have had? The Nazi's, Osama Bin Laden, Sadam Husain?

    Who started an "EXTREMELY" costly 2nd WAR, based on "blatent lies"?
    This whole Social Security thing is "completely" diverting any and all attention away from him, and his "piss poor decisions" to go into a WAR based on LIES.

    Who, while being in his care, created the worst "record deficits" in history, while the rich get "super" rich? It's so easy to be a "have more" and get very undeserved power, when your born and groomed to be into it.

    Whose EVERY move, and ANY & ALL changes benefits ONLY the "have mores"?

    Oh yeah,
    I WOULDN'T TRUST HIM TO BABYSIT MY "PET ROCK" !
    (where do they sell those tiny little "hidden" cameras?)

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