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    Who can answer this for me

    Who can answer this for me
    Why can't we have a County/tax payer owned casino? Based in buffalo? All proceeds go directly to the general funds that cover our property taxes? No BULL**** they are used for developement purposes.. JUST directly into the tax payers pockets after true expenses of running the casino?

    I know we could out market the indians because people would know thier loses would go directly into thier pockets in the form of less taxes. We can even give the state thier cut so they can continue thier totally wasteful ways...

    It seems the state of ny has to bend the rules and use indians to skirt the laws so why can't we bend them in our favor?

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    I think it's a great idea, but, who's going to tell the Indians?

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    Re: Who can answer this for me

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    Who can answer this for me
    Why can't we have a County/tax payer owned casino? Based in buffalo? All proceeds go directly to the general funds that cover our property taxes? No BULL**** they are used for developement purposes.. JUST directly into the tax payers pockets after true expenses of running the casino?

    I know we could out market the indians because people would know thier loses would go directly into thier pockets in the form of less taxes. We can even give the state thier cut so they can continue thier totally wasteful ways...

    It seems the state of ny has to bend the rules and use indians to skirt the laws so why can't we bend them in our favor?
    No BS Answer, its very simple

    Its against state law

    Besides do you really want aother layer of buerocracy in the government? the office of casino management?

    Government should stay out of running casino's or any other enterprise that can be run by private organizations

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    Its against state law
    Then why do they change the rules to give land for the indians to run a casino? THey are looking to do it in Erie County as we speak. I'm also starting to get tired of this law crap. For some odd reason our politicians feel they are above the law so it shouldn't apply to us common folk. An Indian is no better or worse than anyone else living in the united states.

    I would open a casino in the old terminal. We'll call it the whistle stop casino and train museum. We won't build some stupid billion dollar train to shuttle people from the airport to the casino and downtown. We have taxis and buses for that and what ever tracks that may connect to some other train stations need be.

    We'll build hotel rooms in the tower of the station and use the lower levels for the casino. The employees will be drawn from all the nieghborhoods surrounding the terminal now. IF most employees are within walking distance or bus service it will make things much more easier for them to get to work.

    We'll mount a zillion watt spot light on the top of the station pointing straight up so people in the city can see it. We used to be called the city of light... it's a better nick name than the city of blight.

    Besides do you really want aother layer of buerocracy in the government? the office of casino management
    We don't need a layer of pinheads to over see what the tax payer does to a point. They are only there to make sure they get thier cut for thier patronage. We just have a tiny oversight committy to confirm there are no unhonest taxpayer book keepers with thier hands in the till. Plus I would like to have all the take and revenue online on the internet. So the tax payer can see by a daily count what the take was. THey should have OTB and the lottery setup the same way.



    Government should stay out of running casino's or any other enterprise that can be run by private organizations
    Your 100% correct so it's time for them to get out of gold courses and hockey rinks... etc...

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    Then why do they change the rules to give land for the indians to run a casino?

    Federal trumps state. Indian Gaming is federally regulated

    I'm also starting to get tired of this law crap.

    I never pictured you as an anarchist

    I would open a casino.....

    Grand plans, however apparently the central terminal is not the ideal location for a casino. The renovation expense alon would be prohibitive. Not to turn this into a CT thread. Oh yeah you can't open a casino either without a change to the state laws

    We don't need a layer of pinheads .....

    Come on you know we'd get one anyway

    Your 100% correct so it's time for them to get out of gold courses and hockey rinks... etc...

    No argument here

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    Originally posted by yokes

    Federal trumps state. Indian Gaming is federally regulated

    Yes, which is why the overly litigious Seneca's are as arrogant and demanding as they are, thinking they own all rights to local casinos.

    The State of NY is absolutely correct in soliciting further casino competition from out of state tribes. Monopolies are bad for the consumer, the state, and bad for this deal.

    What is the highest and best offer from the other tribes in a casino deal? And do the Senecas want to amend their offer if competition is allowed now?

    The Senecas are now attempting to intimidate the state with their clever and bogus saturation advertising, falsely proclaiming the state owes them this monopoly.

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    Yes, which is why the overly litigious Seneca's are as arrogant and demanding as they are, thinking they own all rights to local casinos.

    Actually they negotiated the exclusivity with the state as part of the land deal needed to open their casino's, which is heralded as a strong point to prevent oversaturation.

    The State of NY is absolutely correct in soliciting further casino competition from out of state tribes. Monopolies are bad for the consumer, the state, and bad for this deal.

    Sure they can do whatever they like, however it wouldnt be in the best interest of the state to do this locally (WNY)

    What is the highest and best offer from the other tribes in a casino deal? And do the Senecas want to amend their offer if competition is allowed now?

    Why would they if another deal is made they no longer have to share revenue. I bet they are rooting for another deal

    The Senecas are now attempting to intimidate the state with their clever and bogus saturation advertising, falsely proclaiming the state owes them this monopoly.

    Only advertisements I have seen are in regards to taxes on the reservation sales. I havent seen anything about the casinos, but that doesnt meen they dont exist.

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    Originally posted by yokes


    Sure they can do whatever they like, however it wouldnt be in the best interest of the state to do this locally (WNY)

    Why would they if another deal is made they no longer have to share revenue. I bet they are rooting for another deal

    well now that the other Seneca arguments are proved bogus, they're relying on this self serving angle.

    But the fact is the other tribes' proposals could adaquately offset this revenue sharing threat by the constantly threatening Senecas.

    More casino competition is clearly worthwhile at this point, and as a result of these further conflicts with this Seneca tribe, more enforcement regarding their bogus tax-free sales matter and the unfair competititon regarding lodging, food service, etc needs to be strictly enforced, and I mean strictly!

    The Senecas are quickly becoming our adversaries as they're greedily attempting to intimidate state decision for their own self serving interests.

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    [putting on my little uncle sam suit, white little beard and all]

    So now (me) an American is a second class citizen and an indian can run a casino? I thought this was the land of the free? The land of oppurtunity?

    So what is an indian considered? An american citizen? or a country within our borders. If they are a country within our borders we need to stop the flow of money out of our nation and into thiers.

    It's a negative cash flow for the community. The cash flow to the nation of indians does not help the state for the amount that is taken. Lets say they have revenue of $200,000,000 mil a year... THAT COULD ALL BE SPENT AT LOCAL VENUES.

    We really have some bone heads running NYS.

    You can write a law and the way it looks to me is we can write more laws which allows an american citizen to own a casino in NYS. They do it in LAS VEGAS don't they?

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    This is a "didja know?" post.

    Not pro/anti casino or pro/anti Seneca.

    Did you know there are less than 2,000 Sencecas in WNY?

    Did you know that there were no Senecas living along the Niagara Frontier until they were pushed out of the Genessee Valley in 1779? They were allied with the British against the Americans.

    Did you know that the Buffalo area was originally populated by the Erighs (from whom we get Erie) and Lake Ontario by the Neuters? Until both were exterminated by the Senecas?

    So we are talking about continuing a monopoly for a small group of people who settled here about five years before the first white settlers.

    Didja know that?
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    Ignoring the Indian-bashing, this is a simple case of supply and demand.

    The lawmakers restrict the supply (of casinos) and the demand goes up, thereby making sure that the lucky one who do get to build one can make a healthy profit (a chunk of which goes back to the backpockets of lawmakers).

    Why do people insist on bashing the Indians? It is not their fault that the State passed laws outlawing gambling!! Just think about it for a second, willya? The Indians just happen to be not governed by that state law, and they are taking advantage of the position they've been put in!

    Repeat after me: The Indians didn't make the laws, the (white) folks in Albany did!.

    If the State just allows anybody to setup a casino, the Indians' "monopoly" vanishes in a puff of smoke.

    If you want casino gambling, ask your lawmakers to change the laws. Stop putting the blame on the Indians' feet.

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    Why do people insist on bashing the Indians?
    I'm not bashing the indians. I'm bashing NYS for coming up with stupid laws.

    I want George to tell me why an american citizen can't open up a casino in NYS. WHy are we not good enough and the indians are. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the indians and I never did. This is a state matter.

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    Than fight to change the law. Don't begrudge those who are within their legal basis.

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    Originally posted by yokes
    Than fight to change the law. Don't begrudge those who are within their legal basis.
    Fight? It wont be that difficult.

    All thats needed is to enforce the existing agreements regarding sales tax to non-Indians and the unacceptable Indian competition in the lodging, food service and retail enterprises that are currently running rampant on our non-indian businesses.

    Then we'll welcome out of state casino operators to compete head to head with the Senecas for the new casino development awards.

    No state laws need altering for any of these remedial measures.

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    Yokes?

    Why would the terminal not be a good area for a casino? Ample parking... Taxis and buses can make it there... and there is easy access from the thruway near ogden and one near clinton/bailey I believe. It's really not that far from downtown really.

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