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    'Smears' About Obama Largely True

    There are some pretty good arguments supporting the fact that much of what is being denied by Barack Obama is actually true. Just check out the claims here:

    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/oba...mo_code=6DC0-1

    I know that this site is partisan, but there is a whole lot of information and the facts can be checked. The topics discussed are listed below:

    Claim No. 1: Obama's campaign is funded by the rich, big corporations and foreigners.

    Claim No. 2: Obama has had a close, ongoing relationship with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.

    Claim No. 3: Obama takes advice from executives of troubled mortgage backer Fannie Mae.

    Claim No. 4: Obama has close ties with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group suspected of massive voter registration fraud.

    Claim No. 5: Obama has shown only wavering support for individual gun-ownership rights.

    Claim No. 6: A fervent supporter of abortion rights, Obama supports late-term and partial-birth abortions.

    Claim No. 7: Obama showed little interest or support for American combat troops during his overseas visits.

    Claim No. 8: Barack Obama is a Muslim.

    Claim No. 9: As president, Obama would raise taxes dramatically for most Americans.

    Claim No. 10: Obama was born outside the United States and is ineligible for the presidency.

    They back up the claims with plenty of information including direct quotes from people directly involved. They also list information directly from the Obama website as proof of some of their accusations against him. If anything, an interesting read.
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    Correction wanted - please!

    Where is the error in this thought regarding the Obama Birth Certificate issue? [See NewsMax/mikenold's #10 above]

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    If his mother was a US citizen, doesn't that legally make him a "natural born citizen" -- regardless of his birthplace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by absolivious View Post
    Where is the error in my initial thought regarding the Obama Birth Certificate issue? [See NewsMax/mikenold's #10 above]

    If his mother was a US citizen, doesn't that legally make him a "natural born citizen" -- regardless of his birthplace?
    No it does not. Look up the requirement.

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    Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." (See the Act of 1795)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MERL J View Post
    Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." (See the Act of 1795)
    That information is out of date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHardy View Post
    That information is out of date.
    It doesn't really matter, Obama was born in Hawaii, signed, sealed and in the record.

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    Obama is ineligible to be POTUS! Filed 10/22/08

    Quote Originally Posted by BorderBob View Post
    It doesn't really matter, Obama was born in Hawaii, signed, sealed and in the record.

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    No; that has yet to be confirmed.

    ORDER ON PLAINTIFF’S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
    THIS CAUSE came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R.
    Barclay Surrick on Plaintiff’s Motion for Summary Judgment. Having reviewed the
    Motion and any response thereto and for good cause shown, it is hereby

    ORDERED
    that Plaintiff’s Motion for Summary Judgment pursuant to F.R.C.P.
    56(c) is GRANTED. This Court Declares Barack Hussein Obama a/k/a Barry Hussein
    Obama a/k/a Barack Dunham a/k/a Barry Dunham a/k/a Barack Soetoro a/k/a Barry
    Soetoro is not a “natural born” or “naturalized” United States citizen and is ineligible to
    run for and/or serve as President of the United States. The Democratic National
    Committee is hereby enjoined from naming Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the
    Democratic Presidential Candidate on the ballot and both the Democratic National
    Committee and Barack Hussein Obama, et al are enjoined from any further campaigning
    on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama, et al for Office of the Presidency. It is an ORDER
    of this Court that Barack Hussein Obama’s, et al name be removed from any and all
    ballots for the Office of the President of the United States.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LHardy View Post
    No; that has yet to be confirmed.
    Yea, I saw your "scoop." Funny, your document is undated and does not appear on the website for the Eastern District Court in PA.

    http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/usrecent.asp

    Maybe on Monday :-)



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    His document is nothing more than what was filed by Berg's attorney. It was rejected by Surrick, who ruled Berg had no standing to bring the case, and that his suit was frivolous and, basically, worthless.

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    Mikenold - I used to have respect for you.

    But, now you try to spread the "Obama is a Muslim/will dramatically raise taxes / is close friends with a terrorist/was not born in the US / doesn't care about our troops," and I am forced to recalibrate my respect meter.

    Which is it? Are you afraid, or mad, that we may have a black President?

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    Last Hoorah!

    Yeah, typical Republicans trying their last hoorah of lies. Anything to win of course. Right out of the old useless Republican playbook.

    Even if Obama is Muslim, should it matter? Powell addressed this issue already.

    Republicans need to learn how to take defeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenold View Post
    There are some pretty good arguments supporting the fact that much of what is being denied by Barack Obama is actually true. Just check out the claims here:

    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/oba...mo_code=6DC0-1

    I know that this site is partisan, but there is a whole lot of information and the facts can be checked. The topics discussed are listed below:

    Claim No. 1: Obama's campaign is funded by the rich, big corporations and foreigners.

    Like ANY Presidential candidate, Obama has HAD to make "deals under the counter" and work with the big corporations;He HAS to "play the game" and make SOME compromises if he wants to get elected;A very sad & ugly truth in today's poltics/business

    Claim No. 2: Obama has had a close, ongoing relationship with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.

    No. He doesn't. But if Rush, Bill & your other modern-day Walter Cronkites say so, maybe he IS associated with evil terrorists!!!


    Claim No. 3: Obama takes advice from executives of troubled mortgage backer Fannie Mae.

    Why hast not the media addressed in full, John McStain's involvement in the Keating Five? Hmmmmmmmmmm?


    Claim No. 4: Obama has close ties with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group suspected of massive voter registration fraud.

    Getting people who ordinarly would not vote to vote? My God! Damn you for caring, Obama!!!!

    Claim No. 5: Obama has shown only wavering support for individual gun-ownership rights.

    Your partially right;Its a stupid tightrope every candidate has had to walk every election, just like abortion & other rights.


    Claim No. 6: A fervent supporter of abortion rights, Obama supports late-term and partial-birth abortions.

    ????????


    Claim No. 7: Obama showed little interest or support for American combat troops during his overseas visits.

    McCain has showed nothing but total disdain towards his fellow vets.

    Claim No. 8: Barack Obama is a Muslim.

    Claim No. 9: As president, Obama would raise taxes dramatically for most Americans.

    Claim No. 10: Obama was born outside the United States and is ineligible for the presidency.



    They back up the claims with plenty of information including direct quotes from people directly involved. They also list information directly from the Obama website as proof of some of their accusations against him. If anything, an interesting read.

    Ya forgot to mention that Obama's an arab!

    Let me know when you find your individuality, please.
    You're not only puking up the network talking points,
    you actually SOUND and WRITE like a well-paid souless media pundit.
    You should be very proud of yourself.
    You're a good citizen and a patriot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorderBob View Post
    Yea, I saw your "scoop." Funny, your document is undated and does not appear on the website for the Eastern District Court in PA.

    http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/usrecent.asp

    Maybe on Monday :-)



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    Because it was the Plaintiff's MOTION - Not the actual case or decision. Bet Lardy shot a big wad when he thought it was the decision.

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    And this has actual news reports...

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    Blue state

    A lot of this does not really matter as NY is a BLUE State. Go live in a red state if you really believe this kind of stuff about Obama. I wonder if you separated WNY from other areas of NY and who would really win though for NY? Break up New York? Upstate and NYC already dislike each other.

    Also, get rid of the current voting system and just go with the straight vote so your vote for McCain will really matter.

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