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    I didn't write it, but I read it and think it's a big problem....

    Here is why there are so many unemployed people in this city.

    My business has a NOW HIRING sign up. We had about 40 applications turned in (for 2 or 3 spots mind you). We INSTANTLY put all the applications that had not been filed out correctly (for example, putting USA as the county, or spelling your town wrong)in a DO NOT HIRE pile. This left 4 hire-able applications.

    One of the remaining applications had under "reasons for gaps in employment" - I did not feel compelled enough to be employed.

    This one was also filed under DO NOT HIRE.

    That left THREE applications out of FOURTY! We hadn't even gotten to the interview process yet!

    Note to the unemployed: If you want a job, FILL OUT THE APPLICATION PROPERLY!

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    Instead, why couldn't the jobs be "community" based? There is plenty of dilapidated housing stock. Most of it is in neighborhoods where people need employment. It doesn't require much skill to tear down a house. Couldn't these people be employed at minimum wage (perhaps higher) to tear down old houses, or fix them up? Cleaning up neighborhoods? Could material be supplied and they could be paid to beautify existing residences, insulate windows, I mean there's no shortage of *real* work that needs to be done. Summer youth employment is a joke (albeit somewhat necessary). Give people meaningful work, there's plenty of it, it's just not funded or on the radar of the voting public's eye.
    A few problems here one is the unions. tearing down houses and rebuilding them are now union jobs so they would have to join the union first then you cant pay them 7.50 the other problem is funding. if you are hinting at more tax money to solve yet another problem you will just create more vacant houses it has to be harder to live off the publics back New york has to offer the same as most other states so we are no longer a welfare magnet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoobie View Post
    Instead, why couldn't the jobs be "community" based? There is plenty of dilapidated housing stock. Most of it is in neighborhoods where people need employment. It doesn't require much skill to tear down a house. Couldn't these people be employed at minimum wage (perhaps higher) to tear down old houses, or fix them up? Cleaning up neighborhoods? Could material be supplied and they could be paid to beautify existing residences, insulate windows, I mean there's no shortage of *real* work that needs to be done. Summer youth employment is a joke (albeit somewhat necessary). Give people meaningful work, there's plenty of it, it's just not funded or on the radar of the voting public's eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bannister View Post
    When I was in high school on Long Island, seniors had the option of taking classes through Boces during the class day in Nursing. There were kids who graduated from high school as a LPN. Why can't that be done today? This was in the early 90's so maybe nursing requirements have changed.
    I thought Erie 1 BOCES taught LPN at Potter Road to high school students?
    I know Job Corps does through Erie 2 BOCES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mesue View Post
    I thought Erie 1 BOCES taught LPN at Potter Road to high school students?
    I know Job Corps does through Erie 2 BOCES.
    You think a black youth wants to tell his homies he's going to be a nurse??

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    Quote Originally Posted by citymouse View Post
    If memory serves me at the height of the great depression the jobless rate average nationwide was 25%.
    At present the white male population in Buffalo is at 28% and the Black is 51.1%.
    Buffalo is poorer now than the nation was in the great depression in terms of unemployment. Yet, outside of WNY, that dosen't seem to raise an eyebrow. Show's how much Washington and Albany, and the rest of the nation as well, thinks of us.

    It doesn't raise an eyebrow because unemployment during the Great Depression was an entirely different animal in that there were no government social safety nets in place like welfare, food stamps, etc. as there are today.

    Of the 28% of whites and 51% of blacks who are unemployed, I'd be interested to know what proportion are receiving government benefits. Such benefits provide a huge disincentive to finding employment. Only after taking out those receiving some type of government benefit from the total number
    will you arrive at the true unemployment rates.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougles View Post
    You think a black youth wants to tell his homies he's going to be a nurse??
    Actually, I teach an adult LPN classes and have taught several adult CNA classes. The minimum age is 18 years old. Most of my students are around 18 years old. Yes, I have young men in my classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bannister View Post
    When I was in high school on Long Island, seniors had the option of taking classes through Boces during the class day in Nursing. There were kids who graduated from high school as a LPN. Why can't that be done today? This was in the early 90's so maybe nursing requirements have changed.
    I agree, not every kid is meant for college but that doesn't mean that they have to be unemployable after high school. This naive push to get every child on a college track and complete a Bachelors degree is just unrealistic. The result is that kids end up dropping out of college (or never complete High School) and have no real skills to fall back on.

    High School vocational programs can be successful if the content is kept up to date to fill the needs of the workplace. Alot of skilled Blue-collar jobs go wanting because the kids that would have formerly filled those positions have been put on a college track instead (and not all of them will end up with that coveted Bachelor's degree, what do they do then?)

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    I think you have to make it less beneficial to be on the public dole..

    stop rewarding people for not getting out and not trying to find work.

    Somebody pointed to this earlier , it is about jobs and the lack there of. NY has done such a great job of being non competative and driving potential businesses away.

    I think Detroit had very low unemployement when the automotive industry was at its height.. black and white employees

    Quite simply the problem is multifactorial.. education, government, societal, jobs etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by granpabob View Post
    Instead, why couldn't the jobs be "community" based? There is plenty of dilapidated housing stock. Most of it is in neighborhoods where people need employment. It doesn't require much skill to tear down a house. Couldn't these people be employed at minimum wage (perhaps higher) to tear down old houses, or fix them up? Cleaning up neighborhoods? Could material be supplied and they could be paid to beautify existing residences, insulate windows, I mean there's no shortage of *real* work that needs to be done. Summer youth employment is a joke (albeit somewhat necessary). Give people meaningful work, there's plenty of it, it's just not funded or on the radar of the voting public's eye.
    A few problems here one is the unions. tearing down houses and rebuilding them are now union jobs so they would have to join the union first then you cant pay them 7.50 the other problem is funding. if you are hinting at more tax money to solve yet another problem you will just create more vacant houses it has to be harder to live off the publics back New york has to offer the same as most other states so we are no longer a welfare magnet.

    The concept of using labor from the jail system or welfare lines has been mentioned in the past. It is ALWAYS shot down because there would be no cost.

    If there was no cost, then some someone who currently makes money doing this for the city would be out of the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS View Post
    The concept of using labor from the jail system or welfare lines has been mentioned in the past. It is ALWAYS shot down because there would be no cost.

    If there was no cost, then some someone who currently makes money doing this for the city would be out of the picture.

    When I lived down south,, you could occaissionally see the prison guards with shotguns and the orange jump suited inmates cleaning up the sides of the highway

    But in a government run economy that would take jobs away, we know where the balance is between providing government jobs and saving the taxpayers money don't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Save Us View Post
    When I lived down south,, you could occaissionally see the prison guards with shotguns and the orange jump suited inmates cleaning up the sides of the highway

    But in a government run economy that would take jobs away, we know where the balance is between providing government jobs and saving the taxpayers money don't we?
    Well that's a good thing for the taxpayer, just not the politoco's freidns and families!

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    Somebody spent the money to compile this stupid statistic and tell it to the world. They knew it would create a huge debate and now they're probably sitting back in their Lazy Boy munching popcorn and watching the show.

    Anybody with a brain could tell you the jobless rate among black males is low - and anybody that denies that fact is naive or living under a rock. It's low because the subject group makes it low, period.

    And while we're on the subject, what is the jobless rate among black females? As opposed to the rate of of single mothers with multiple children from different fathers? I don't think I need to have some fancy study to tell me the statistics on that one either.

    It's high time we start calling 'em as we see 'em. And whoever wants to be first and pipe in with "well, they're just products of their environment" needs to zip their lip. If you're in a poor environment, why not do something to get out of that crummy situation? No, these people would rather sit on the stoop and whine about it. Or, on every possible opportunity, get their face in front of the news camera and whine about it.

    Sorry if fast food is beneath them. Sorry if retail is beneath them. I don't know too many people who walk out the door looking for their first job and get hired as a CEO. And even if that DID happen, you still have to wake up for work everyday (despite the fact that maybe you don't do a darned thing when you get there). That requires responsibility. Not sure that these poor jobless men have the that "r" word in their genes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter View Post
    Somebody spent the money to compile this stupid statistic and tell it to the world. They knew it would create a huge debate and now they're probably sitting back in their Lazy Boy munching popcorn and watching the show.

    Anybody with a brain could tell you the jobless rate among black males is low - and anybody that denies that fact is naive or living under a rock. It's low because the subject group makes it low, period.

    And while we're on the subject, what is the jobless rate among black females? As opposed to the rate of of single mothers with multiple children from different fathers? I don't think I need to have some fancy study to tell me the statistics on that one either.

    It's high time we start calling 'em as we see 'em. And whoever wants to be first and pipe in with "well, they're just products of their environment" needs to zip their lip. If you're in a poor environment, why not do something to get out of that crummy situation? No, these people would rather sit on the stoop and whine about it. Or, on every possible opportunity, get their face in front of the news camera and whine about it.

    Sorry if fast food is beneath them. Sorry if retail is beneath them. I don't know too many people who walk out the door looking for their first job and get hired as a CEO. And even if that DID happen, you still have to wake up for work everyday (despite the fact that maybe you don't do a darned thing when you get there). That requires responsibility. Not sure that these poor jobless men have the that "r" word in their genes.
    You don't address the reason why Buffalo in particular has the highest jobless rate in the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bannister View Post
    You don't address the reason why Buffalo in particular has the highest jobless rate in the nation.
    It is due to several factors.

    Buffalo is in NYS, which has the most giving social services program in the nation.

    Buffalo is the largest city in Upstate but with similar % of blacks, compared to other upstate cities, and few jobs.

    Did I mention Buffalo is in NYS, which has the most giving social services program in the nation.

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