Akron teachers get 16.2% raise over four years

[Smiley]

Commissions have been cut in my industries for years. When I started in this business in the mid 80s most lines paid between 8and 10% now if you find a 5 thats a winner. To stay even you sell more.The owner of the compan took the chance where do i get off extorting him?

So... to sell more you have to convince the consumer to buy the next grade higher product when in fact you know the lower grade product that they asked for would do.

But how would you feel if the commissions were cut for the sole reason so the CEO can have more money in his/her pocket for their trips, etc.

[Enough]

So... to sell more you have to convince the consumer to buy the next grade higher product when in fact you know the lower grade product that they asked for would do.

But how would you feel if the commissions were cut for the sole reason so the CEO can have more money in his/her pocket for their trips, etc.

No, not necessarily. You gotta expand your customer base, do more cold-calling, work harder, work smarter and work more hours.

If commissions are cut for the sole reason so the CEO can have more money you have 2 choices. You either accept it or go out and look for a job that pays you what you're worth.

This is NOT the government you know, you don't just get a job for pounding political signs on front lawns and keep it for 30 years and retire with a state pension. This is the "real world" where sometimes you have to adapt, struggle and reinvent yourself to get ahead!

[Cgoodsp466]

So... to sell more you have to convince the consumer to buy the next grade higher product when in fact you know the lower grade product that they asked for would do.

But how would you feel if the commissions were cut for the sole reason so the CEO can have more money in his/her pocket for their trips, etc.

Hey If I start a business or I am running one Its my money and i do as I please.Thats a concept that doesent take a rocket scientist to figure out.

[Cgoodsp466]

No, not necessarily. You gotta expand your customer base, do more cold-calling, work harder, work smarter and work more hours.

If commissions are cut for the sole reason so the CEO can have more money you have 2 choices. You either accept it or go out and look for a job that pays you what you're worth.

This is NOT the government you know, you don't just get a job for pounding political signs on front lawns and keep it for 30 years and retire with a state pension. This is the "real world" where sometimes you have to adapt, struggle and reinvent yourself to get ahead!

This Is why I respect you. The public sector fools dont have a clue what work is. Its Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie.

[GG716]

This is the entire problem.
Rather than providing products/services that the public wants/needs, the unions up sells the public. By demanding more money and providing the exact same product. How is that fair to anyone?
If the government has enough extra money to give away to the unions in the form of a raise. Then it’s safe to say the government over taxes the public. Rather than giving this money away to it’s employee’s, shouldn’t they give it back to the public? As this extra money is not being used to provide us with a better product/service.

[Enough]

To put the new School Superintendents pay into perspective….

In 2008 she made $135,000

In 2009 she will make $143,000 ($8,000 Raise)

In 2010 she will make at least $150,150 ($7,150 Raise)

In 2011 she will make at least $157,657.50 ($7,507.50 Raise)

In 2012 she will make at least $165,540.38 ($7,882.88 Raise)

In 2013 she will make at least $173,817.37 ($8,277.02 Raise)

So in 5 years her salary will go up $38,817.00

Anyone else getting that type of salary increase?
You dummies fighting with a control board in Buffalo should go out to Akron and negotiate with the school board!

[Enough]

WHAT IS A BOARD OF EDUCATION?


The Board is the official policy-making body of the school district. It consists of seven community residents elected by voters to serve three-year terms. Board members are not paid for their work.....

I think they are over-paid!!!!

[Cgoodsp466]

I think they are over-paid!!!!

School Superintendents are the Ass and the school boards are the hole.Tell me what ahve these clowns done for you lately?

[The Stig]

But how would you feel if the commissions were cut for the sole reason so the CEO can have more money in his/her pocket for their trips, etc.

Again with the non-sequiturs.

Piss all over the private sector, even though it's the only reason your failed public school system can exist, let alone prosper. You have a point to make or are you still trying to tiptoe out of that corner you painted yourself into?

How would you feel if the CEO got a 5% raise every year, regardless of the fact that the stock has sucked since he's taken over? How would you feel if you lost your home because you wouldn't buy more stock even though you were forced to? And then, to make the example completely relevant, let's say the company only does business in every other state than the one you live in but you still gotta invest otherwise they'll steal your home.

Little different there, isn't it?

I'm still waiting for an example in the private sector regarding forced negotiations, big guy.

[Save Us]

This is the entire problem.
Rather than providing products/services that the public wants/needs, the unions up sells the public. By demanding more money and providing the exact same product. How is that fair to anyone?
If the government has enough extra money to give away to the unions in the form of a raise. Then it’s safe to say the government over taxes the public. Rather than giving this money away to it’s employee’s, shouldn’t they give it back to the public? As this extra money is not being used to provide us with a better product/service.

Right on! There should be a moratorium on raises until taxes are brought to sane levels,,,,but you are dealing with people that have a absolute total disconnect with anything related to real world economics,,, the world you and I live in...the global economy is slowing, there are cut backs and downsizing yet these jerks keep going with their hand out....like my ex!!!

I think it is a matter of time before this stuff catches up with them,, and there is a total backlash against this crap they pull.

Providing a service to the community is a means to an end for benefits, pensions, raises,, and salaries of the public servant. We work for them....period. That my friend is the crux of the entire system.

[Save Us]

Again with the non-sequiturs.

Piss all over the private sector, even though it's the only reason your failed public school system can exist, let alone prosper. You have a point to make or are you still trying to tiptoe out of that corner you painted yourself into?

How would you feel if the CEO got a 5% raise every year, regardless of the fact that the stock has sucked since he's taken over? .

Great way to put it,,, except instead of one CEO making ridiculous amounts,,, its an entire sector at the expense of many!

When will these people learn that you can't have an public sector based economy....they sure are hell bent on trying to subsist in one....

Keep working thousands of public folks depend on you!

[Smiley]

Hey Smiley...

Where's the 'negotiation with the employer' here?

Is this ludicrous salary justified because "that's what the (artificially controlled) market will pay"? Or does this person deserve it because they're actually expected to work an entire calendar year?

You are absolutely correct. This is a ludcrous salary and continous increase. It, IMHO, is not in accordance with the market and is excessive. The point I was getting at is if it wasn't for the union, the employees here would not have recieved any type of a raise in order to support this salary increase and I was asking how others, not represented by a union would feel if this happened and their commission was reduced or did not recieve a raise of any type in order to pay the excessive salary increase.

[Smiley]

Enjoy the race to the bottom, because all of us will be affected!

[GG716]

You are absolutely correct. This is a ludcrous salary and continous increase. It, IMHO, is not in accordance with the market and is excessive. The point I was getting at is if it wasn't for the union, the employees here would not have recieved any type of a raise in order to support this salary increase and I was asking how others, not represented by a union would feel if this happened and their commission was reduced or did not recieve a raise of any type in order to pay the excessive salary increase.

So you would rather pay their ludicrous excessive salaries then to pay them what they are worth?
Teachers are NOT paid commission, nor has anyone tried to reduce their salaries to a justifiable level.

I think this may be the first time you have ever said a UNION has asked, pushed for and was given something you deem "excessive".
Now that you realize/admit the teachers union is ludicrous. I'm wating for the day you say the same about the AFCME.

BTW: I feel pretty poor considering that I can not charge my customers more to pay the excessive salary increase & If I don't pay it they will take my property by force. My customers are not willing to pay more as they are focred to pay thier salary increases as well. Leaving them with less money to pay me. and beleive me teachers are some of the cheapest bastard customers out there so I'm not getting anything more from them, tho I'll charge em more if if they wont pay then screw em.

[WNYresident]

Smiley
cgood
I'm sure you do all you can to do a good job and sell your employer's product earning the pay you recieve, right? Well the unions are no different then what you or anyone else does for the people that pay for their services or products.

Your 100% wrong when it's "government forced unions".

We have no choice. It's not like the unions at Ford where they can ask for all they want and demand more. THey can demand so much they price themselves out of the market. We have choices like Chevy, Toyota etc...

This is different. This is take it wether you like it or not. It's un-american. I'm acutally suprized it has gone as far as it has now that I'm following it for the last 5 years.