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    We've come a long way baby

    "I intend to proudly vote for Obama," said a caller to a National Public Radio show, "because I want to show the world what America is all about – that a person of color can become president of the United States."

    Let's put aside whether the caller would express the same enthusiasm were Obama a tax-cutting, Iraq-war-supporting Republican. And let's put aside what, if anything, America needs to "prove" to the rest of the world.

    Obama – bright, sharp, a solid speaker – ran an incredible, come-from-nowhere campaign to topple a front-runner who, at one time, led by some 30 points. But as Obama once said in criticizing his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the caller acts as if America, as regards race, were "static."

    What of the last 40 or so years?

    Today, if black Americans' gross domestic product were measured separately, it would be the 16th-richest country in the world.


    Nearly 80 percent of blacks live above the poverty level, contrasted with 65 percent 40 years ago.


    The greater percentage of blacks live either middle-class or better lives.


    The employment rate for married black men equals the employment rate for married white men.


    The average black woman with a college degree makes more money than the average white woman with a college degree.


    The highest percentage of blacks in American history – 46 percent – own their homes.


    The majority of blacks live in integrated neighborhoods (defined as living with at least 10 percent of neighbors belonging to "other races").


    Black-white interracial marriage has soared – after anti-miscegenation laws were struck down by the Supreme Court in 1967 – from 65,000 in 1970 to 422,000 in 2005.


    Los Angeles, a city devastated by the Watts riots in 1965, with a population about 11 percent black, hired back-to-back black police chiefs.


    A black man served as United States ambassador to the United Nations.


    A black man served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.


    Two blacks have served as members of the United States Supreme Court.


    The largest association of doctors – the predominately white American Medical Association – elected a black physician as leader.


    The largest association of lawyers, the American Bar Association, elected a black president.


    The Ford Foundation, one of America's largest philanthropic private foundations, with 2007 assets valued at $13.7 billion, was led for 12 years by a black man.


    Blacks hold or have held CEO positions at major companies, such as Merrill Lynch, American Express and Time Warner.


    Black-owned businesses grow at a rate faster than white-owned businesses.


    The multiracial Tiger Woods is the world's most famous and wealthiest athlete in earnings and product endorsements.


    Major League Baseball – America's pastime – is composed of 40 percent black, Latino and Asian players.


    The Super Bowl, the most-watched sporting event in America, recently featured two teams headed by black coaches.


    Black females have won the Miss America beauty pageant.


    Black economist and best-selling author Thomas Sowell, based on the number of newspapers that carry his column, is one of the country's top 10 columnists.


    "The Cosby Show," a positive, upbeat sitcom about a black, upper-middle-class family, reigned for years as America's most-watched television program.


    Black faces on television abound – in commercials, as local and national news anchors and in shows playing a variety of characters – from doctors and lawyers up to and including the president of the United States.


    Will Smith, a black actor, tops the list of the nation's movie box-office stars.


    Black actor Samuel L. Jackson appeared in more movies than any other actor of any color during the 1990s.


    Black television host Oprah Winfrey, arguably one of the most powerful television personalities in the history of the medium, has amassed, to date, a fortune estimated at $2.5 billion.


    Blacks serve or have served as mayors in many American cities, including the three largest – New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.


    The current speaker of the California Assembly is the first black woman to head a statewide legislative body.


    Blacks comprise 10 percent of the House of Representatives, including some from primarily white Southern districts.


    A black man serves as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee – arguably the most powerful committee in the House.


    A black man served as chairman of the Democratic National Committee.


    Virginia, one of the states of the original Confederacy, elected a black man governor.


    The Republican Party, in the last election cycle, nominated blacks as candidates for governor of Ohio, governor of Pennsylvania and senator from Maryland.


    Blacks have served the current administration as back-to-back secretaries of State.
    So, what does Obama's candidacy mean? His victory shows that America grows ever closer to Martin Luther King Jr.'s vision of a society that judges people based on content of character, rather than color of skin.

    Obama's victory does not prove this. It confirms it.
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    Obama is a FORMER President
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    "I intend to proudly vote for Obama," said a caller to a National Public Radio show, "because I want to show the world what America is all about – that a person of color can become president of the United States."
    The above quote sounds eerily similar to people I've heard stating that they were voting for Hitlery because she's a woman.

    I remember hearing several women saying they voted for Slick Willy because he was "good looking."

    I'd wager that the higher percentage of these people couldn't find the United States of America on a map of the Americas.


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    Always nice to see WorldNutDaily list the accomplishments (some factually dubious and/or completely wrong) of black people in America. I can't wait to see what else they roll in out in their argument that racism is a thing of the past all the while reminding their readers that Obama is a black guy who lives in the same neighborhood as 60's radical and college professor William Ayers, has an angry black pastor in his history, a Muslim middle-name, a 'whitey' hatin' wife and any other coded attacks they can think of to remind followers that, while racism is not the problem it was in the 60's (very debatable) you still shouldn't vote for Obama because, after all, he's black.

    It's going to be fun watching these rhesus monkeys shed their skin and remind us of what a huge chunk of Republican power for the last 30 years is built upon: racism.
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    So which corporate servant running for president is against amnesty and the illegal invaders pouring into the U.S.A.? Which one is serious about border security? Which one is for the U.S. citizen above all?

    Neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    Always nice to see WorldNutDaily list the accomplishments (some factually dubious and/or completely wrong) of black people in America.
    And of course you will document those facts which are dubious or flat out wrong for us.
    Hillary will NEVER be President
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    "I intend to proudly vote for Obama," said a caller to a National Public Radio show, "because I want to show the world what America is all about – that a person of color can become president of the United States."

    Let's put aside whether the caller would express the same enthusiasm were Obama a tax-cutting, Iraq-war-supporting Republican. And let's put aside what, if anything, America needs to "prove" to the rest of the world.

    Obama – bright, sharp, a solid speaker – ran an incredible, come-from-nowhere campaign to topple a front-runner who, at one time, led by some 30 points. But as Obama once said in criticizing his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the caller acts as if America, as regards race, were "static."

    What of the last 40 or so years?

    Today, if black Americans' gross domestic product were measured separately, it would be the 16th-richest country in the world.
    Kind of a pointless statistic and that the GDP of an ethnic group in the wealthiest nation on the planet from #1 to #16 when isolated as a group might not be something to crow about. Especially considering, from what I can glean from teh tubez, white people are still at #1 when you isolate them as a group.

    Nearly 80 percent of blacks live above the poverty level, contrasted with 65 percent 40 years ago.
    I'd love to know where he got the numbers. 80% is a rough guess and probably outside the margin of error of any real study. The real number, btw, is closer to 75.7%

    The greater percentage of blacks live either middle-class or better lives.
    Ah the invented and meaningless argument. You know what else? More blacks go to college, too. Doesn't mean the racist problem is solved, just a example of some progress. Contrary to this Uncle Tom, no one is arguing progress hasn't been made. But it's a typical deflection that usually, like this example, has no substance and/or gives no context to analyze this assertion.

    The employment rate for married black men equals the employment rate for married white men.
    That's why the unemployment rate is nearly double for black males? (married and otherwise)
    According to data compiled by the BLS in Employment and Earnings (January 2006), a married person was much less likely to be unemployed than a single, widowed, or divorced individual in 2005. This observation held true across all races. In 2005 single, never-married males aged sixteen and over (9.5%) had more than three times the unemployment rate of married males (2.8%). Widowed, divorced, or separated males (5.6%) had twice the unemployment rate of married men. While only 2.5% of white, married men were unemployed in 2005, 8.2% of single white men and 5% of widowed, divorced, or separated white males were out of work. Among African-Americans, 5.1% of married men aged sixteen years and older were unemployed in 2005, com-pared with 9.5% of widowed, divorced, or separated men and 16.9% of single blacks. (See Table 3.3.)
    The average black woman with a college degree makes more money than the average white woman with a college degree.
    Of course "average black [women]" don't attend college at the same rate "average white [women]" do. Which severely weakens his argument and rendering it pretty inconsequential, if not meaningless.

    The highest percentage of blacks in American history – 46 percent – own their homes.
    Which is still dead last. Odd how he undersold it, however. 48.2% of blacks own their own home. Compared to 72.7% of whites and 49.5% of Hispanic/Latino. So his point is? "Yeah, we still have the lowest rate of homeownership!"

    The majority of blacks live in integrated neighborhoods (defined as living with at least 10 percent of neighbors belonging to "other races").
    Historically integrated with other minorities and poor people. I wonder why he left that half of the statistic out?

    Black-white interracial marriage has soared – after anti-miscegenation laws were struck down by the Supreme Court in 1967 – from 65,000 in 1970 to 422,000 in 2005.
    Well yeah, it only took the Supreme Court to force the ideological ancestors of WorldNutDaily to acknowledge that miscegenation was not going to ruin society. But alas!

    Los Angeles, a city devastated by the Watts riots in 1965, with a population about 11 percent black, hired back-to-back black police chiefs.

    A black man served as United States ambassador to the United Nations.

    A black man served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    Two blacks have served as members of the United States Supreme Court.

    The largest association of doctors – the predominately white American Medical Association – elected a black physician as leader.

    The largest association of lawyers, the American Bar Association, elected a black president.

    The Ford Foundation, one of America's largest philanthropic private foundations, with 2007 assets valued at $13.7 billion, was led for 12 years by a black man.

    Blacks hold or have held CEO positions at major companies, such as Merrill Lynch, American Express and Time Warner.
    Of course, two years ago, according to the Forbes Fortune 500, there where a grand total of 4 black CEO's on the list. Less than 1%. Which seems a little lacking, considering that blacks make up 12% of the population. Though what's his point? Black people can get high profile jobs? Again, no one is arguing that there hasn't been progress. Thank God for those benevolent white people, right?

    Black-owned businesses grow at a rate faster than white-owned businesses.
    With less access to institutional funding and the higher rate of failure than their white counterpoints. Again, half an argument. But I could see how that half might kinda ruin his whole thesis.

    The multiracial Tiger Woods is the world's most famous and wealthiest athlete in earnings and product endorsements.

    Major League Baseball – America's pastime – is composed of 40 percent black, Latino and Asian players.

    The Super Bowl, the most-watched sporting event in America, recently featured two teams headed by black coaches.

    Black females have won the Miss America beauty pageant.

    Black economist and best-selling author Thomas Sowell, based on the number of newspapers that carry his column, is one of the country's top 10 columnists.

    "The Cosby Show," a positive, upbeat sitcom about a black, upper-middle-class family, reigned for years as America's most-watched television program.

    Black faces on television abound – in commercials, as local and national news anchors and in shows playing a variety of characters – from doctors and lawyers up to and including the president of the United States.

    Will Smith, a black actor, tops the list of the nation's movie box-office stars.

    Black actor Samuel L. Jackson appeared in more movies than any other actor of any color during the 1990s.

    Black television host Oprah Winfrey, arguably one of the most powerful television personalities in the history of the medium, has amassed, to date, a fortune estimated at $2.5 billion.

    Blacks serve or have served as mayors in many American cities, including the three largest – New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.

    The current speaker of the California Assembly is the first black woman to head a statewide legislative body.
    Yeah, more happy talk. I heard a black guy invented peanut butter, too. (He didn't actually, just 300 things you could do with peanuts.) 'dem negros can accomplish stuff. . . color me surprised. (Not sure if the pun is intended or not.)

    Blacks comprise 10 percent of the House of Representatives, including some from primarily white Southern districts.
    Name one black member of the House of Representatives from the south who's district did not take in a large minority population (usually and urban area.)

    A black man serves as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee – arguably the most powerful committee in the House.

    A black man served as chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

    Virginia, one of the states of the original Confederacy, elected a black man governor.

    The Republican Party, in the last election cycle, nominated blacks as candidates for governor of Ohio, governor of Pennsylvania and senator from Maryland.
    And not a single one of them one, if I remember correctly.

    Blacks have served the current administration as back-to-back secretaries of State.
    Both disastrously, I might add.

    So, what does Obama's candidacy mean? His victory shows that America grows ever closer to Martin Luther King Jr.'s vision of a society that judges people based on content of character, rather than color of skin.

    Obama's victory does not prove this. It confirms it.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=66229
    Sure it does, as long as you stretch your conclusions and disregard half of the context. But what do you expect? WorlNutDaily would never let 'Step'in Fetch' publish on their website if he made a complete argument.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    Quote Originally Posted by DR_GONZO
    So which corporate servant running for president is against amnesty and the illegal invaders pouring into the U.S.A.? Which one is serious about border security? Which one is for the U.S. citizen above all?

    Neither.
    Invaders? Man you people are obsessed. And, I might add, wholly misguided by reality and history.

    "U.S. citizen above all," that's funny, too.

    Odd how immigration comes up in this thread. You are aware that black people can be citizens, right? To bad it would be impolite to say what you really mean.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    You miss the whole point of his article.
    Blacks have come a long way in 40 years.
    And of course any black who is conservative must be labled an Uncle Tom by a libtard like you.
    But keep telling us how tolerent you are of all people


    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    Kind of a pointless statistic and that the GDP of an ethnic group in the wealthiest nation on the planet from #1 to #16 when isolated as a group might not be something to crow about. Especially considering, from what I can glean from teh tubez, white people are still at #1 when you isolate them as a group..
    And you leave out an important factor that whites out number blacks by 6.1 to 1. Factor in that number and blacks have a result of 2.62
    Though I don't think that would have a direct correlation to world GDP.
    It is a factor you can't ignore.

    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    I'd love to know where he got the numbers. 80% is a rough guess and probably outside the margin of error of any real study. The real number, btw, is closer to 75.7%.
    Same number I found for 2006. Couldn't find any more recent data. Maybe he did. Still and improvement of 16%. Whites are at 89%. Virtually unchanged from 1965. Must be racism right Raoul?


    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    Ah the invented and meaningless argument. You know what else? More blacks go to college, too. Doesn't mean the racist problem is solved, just a example of some progress. Contrary to this Uncle Tom, no one is arguing progress hasn't been made. But it's a typical deflection that usually, like this example, has no substance and/or gives no context to analyze this assertion..
    His whole point is progress has been made.
    And Barack Obama is a result of that progress.
    And tell the millions of blacks who have risen out of poverty that their accomplishment is meaningless.
    Reading comprehension is not your strong suit eh?


    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    That's why the unemployment rate is nearly double for black males? (married and otherwise).
    You would be right if he said unemployment rates.
    But he said employment rates.
    Which factor in those who are not seeking employment ei stay at home dads.
    You'll find these at the census reports not BLS.
    From what I found (2005)
    Now these are not broken down by gender. Just white and black so I used the 51% to 49% women to men factor.
    My equations came to 91.27% white, married men employment to 89.84% Blacj married men employment. Pretty darn close I'd say.



    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    Of course "average black [women]" don't attend college at the same rate "average white [women]" do. Which severely weakens his argument and rendering it pretty inconsequential, if not meaningles.
    You once again forget the 6.1 to 1 population ratio white women to black women. When factored in. 38% of all white women attain a college degree vs. 35% of all black women.


    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    Which is still dead last. Odd how he undersold it, however. 48.2% of blacks own their own home. Compared to 72.7% of whites and 49.5% of Hispanic/Latino. So his point is? "Yeah, we still have the lowest rate of homeownership!"
    A large improvement non the less. And I believe that when the current sub prime mess gets factored in. These numbers will get a little closer.


    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    Historically integrated with other minorities and poor people. I wonder why he left that half of the statistic out?
    Why don't you provide that statistic?
    I think it's pure conjecture on your part.
    My own neighborhood on the border of suburban and semi rural. where the houses are $450.000 and up would prove you wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    Well yeah, it only took the Supreme Court to force the ideological ancestors of WorldNutDaily to acknowledge that miscegenation was not going to ruin society. But alas!
    Like the man said. look how far we've come.
    But a typical Libtard response.
    Keep bringing up injustices of the past to obscure any progress.
    Have to keep your perrenial victimhood policy intact.



    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    Of course, two years ago, according to the Forbes Fortune 500, there where a grand total of 4 black CEO's on the list. Less than 1%. Which seems a little lacking, considering that blacks make up 12% of the population. Though what's his point? Black people can get high profile jobs? Again, no one is arguing that there hasn't been progress. Thank God for those benevolent white people, right?
    The number is 7 and goes to 17 for the top 1000. 75 if you count COO's in the equation. And it wasn't thanks to white people. Maybe it was due to more blacks valueing a higher education.
    Something you should consider.


    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    With less access to institutional funding and the higher rate of failure than their white counterpoints. Again, half an argument. But I could see how that half might kinda ruin his whole thesis.
    Guess you never heard of the minority owned business zones government funding. They're all over NYC.

    But you just keep swimming in your cesspool of negativity.
    More and more blacks are discarding your song of woe is me and making their own success in America.

    I'd be interested to know just what successes youm have acheived in life.
    I would guess some kind of job that involves you wearing a uniform with your name embroidered on the pocket
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    Thumbs up, Raoul, for your posts on this thread!!! Excellent points, including the ones on immigration.
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