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    Arizona accepting Border fence donations

    Why do we have all these billions for Barack Obama's three wars but we can't even spare the money for something that DIRECTLY affects all of our nationality security? Not to mention the huge costs associated with the drug smugglers and illegals that invade our country every year.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/112927485...-border-fence/
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    Maybe because a fence is a wasteful, ineffective use of taxpayer funds?
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.

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    We can solve the illegal problem in a week, and not spend a dime. All we have to do is start locking up ANY person that employs an illegal alien. Forget these forged documents crap, it is really easy to verify an ID, it is really easy to verify a SSN, it is really easy to verify a birth certificate. We can make the fine 40% of the net worth of a corporation, and toss the CEO in prison for 3 years. If we were to start doing that there would be no more illegals coming here. For the homeowners that employ them just fine them 25% of the net value of the house and put a lien on the house and garnish their wages. No one is going to risk this happening to them to save $500.00 on a patio.

    See you can't stop them from coming unless you take away what they are coming to get. If you take away the jobs then by doing that you take away the incentive to come here.

    OH and when we catch the AMERICAN smugglers, called Coyotes that are smuggling them in (Because it is AMERICANS that live in the border states that do it) we can give them 20 years for each illegal that they are caught with. That would end that business right there.

    Fences are totally worthless unless you have agents on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindcrime View Post
    Maybe because a fence is a wasteful, ineffective use of taxpayer funds?
    Wrong.

    Once again, your liberal talking points are exactly OPPOSITE of reality. The fence is effective and cost effective to keep out illegal aliens, drug smugglers, terrorists, pedophiles and murderers from entering the US. But you are like Obama and think we are better off wasting billions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, not to mention American lives, for no reason.

    Once again, you just spout baseless rhetoric, while I post sources and end up coming out on top. You must like losing arguments, you do it so much.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/112927485...-border-fence/

    To the Border Patrol agents stationed in Yuma Sector, there is no debate. To them, the fence is a success story. From a Vietnam War-vintage Huey helicopter, pilot Chad Smith points across the border to Mexico's Highway 2 and then to the barriers that help stop illegal immigrants from making a sprint into southern Arizona.

    "You can see the triple-layer fencing," Smith tells us as he lowers the helicopter and hovers over what was once a major crossing point for illegal immigrants and drug smugglers. "Steel fence right on the border, the pedestrian fence about 90 feet north of that, and then the chain-link fence with the barbed wire."

    The fence has three layers in areas where there is an urban neighborhood on the Mexican side. Smith is among those who say their flights are less hectic now because while you can still clearly see the trails in the sand and in some hilly areas below, there is considerably less traffic.

    "I've flown before and come back and had 70-plus [illegal immigrants logged in a tracking book]," Smith said. " I know guys who have gone on a flight and come back with 100-plus illegals in their logbook. Now it is in single digits, typically."

    It is a fascinating view from above: Old trails in some places, and the remnants of newly placed white sandbags in others.

    "It forms a pretty good bridge for them to drive across." Smith says of the sandbags. When they are spotted from above, Border Patrol agents on the ground are called in to destroy the makeshift crossings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeefan2009 View Post
    Wrong.

    Once again, your liberal talking points are exactly OPPOSITE of reality. The fence is effective and cost effective to keep out illegal aliens, drug smugglers, terrorists, pedophiles and murderers from entering the US. But you are like Obama and think we are better off wasting billions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, not to mention American lives, for no reason.

    Once again, you just spout baseless rhetoric, while I post sources and end up coming out on top. You must like losing arguments, you do it so much.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/112927485...-border-fence/
    Amazing how stupid people are even when the answer is flying in front of their face, or in this case when they are flying in the answer.

    Take away the damn helicopter and border patrol surveillance and the fence will be useless. We don't have enough manpower or helicopter to watch a fence along the entire border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeefan2009 View Post
    Wrong.

    Once again, your liberal talking points are exactly OPPOSITE of reality. The fence is effective and cost effective to keep out illegal aliens, drug smugglers, terrorists, pedophiles and murderers from entering the US...
    Yeah, unless the illegal aliens, drug smugglers, terrorists, pedophiles and murderers use their secret weapon...







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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindcrime View Post
    Maybe because a fence is a wasteful, ineffective use of taxpayer funds?
    That is just a matter of opinion... common sense says anything you can do to stop the flow of people would be good. The cost associated for social programs our government makes pays for are steep.

    Is it or is it not true that immigrants can get grants to start businesses in the USA? Along with forms of welfare?

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    I suggest you look up "beta fence" before your lack of knowledge on the subject embarrasses you even more, Mindlesscrime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Amazing how stupid people are even when the answer is flying in front of their face, or in this case when they are flying in the answer.

    Take away the damn helicopter and border patrol surveillance and the fence will be useless. We don't have enough manpower or helicopter to watch a fence along the entire border.
    You don't take away the helicopter and border patrol. The fence allows the Border Patrol time to respond and is thus a good deterrent to mass invasion, if you rtfa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeefan2009 View Post
    I suggest you look up "beta fence" before your lack of knowledge on the subject embarrasses you even more, Mindlesscrime.
    Let's examine the effectiveness of fences, YankMe:



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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    That is just a matter of opinion... common sense says anything you can do to stop the flow of people would be good. The cost associated for social programs our government makes pays for are steep.
    But fences don't stop the flow. Not even a little.

    Is it or is it not true that immigrants can get grants to start businesses in the USA? Along with forms of welfare?
    For legal immigrants, yes. For illegal immigrants, no.
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.

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    That first video looks like the replacement fence they were putting up around Nogales. It has an additional section at the top on the Mexican side which is supposed to make it unclimbable. They went over the fences all the time down there nut much of the drug trafficking occurred in areas where there was no fencing, but desert that was particularly treacherous in other ways.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindcrime View Post
    But fences don't stop the flow. Not even a little.
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    Wrong. I just proved you wrong in the article I posted. Try again.

    A fence is not IMPENETRABLE, but it is a deterrent. The Agents from Yuma agree as it has steeply (not completely ) stopped the flow of illegals through the Yuma sector. There is no denying that and even you know that. You are lying and trying to mislead the public, which is dispicable.

    You clearly don't know what you're talking about and are purposely trying to remain ignorant.
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    For legal immigrants, yes. For illegal immigrants, no.
    This has to stop. My business and other businesses in the USA do not need to fund people to compete against them. Simple as that. Who would introduce something so stupid in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeefan2009 View Post
    Wrong. I just proved you wrong in the article I posted. Try again.
    What? This one?

    http://www.speakupwny.com/forums/sho...l=1#post781784



    A fence is not IMPENETRABLE, but it is a deterrent.
    So is the Border Patrol, redneck vigilantes and hundreds of miles of burning deserts.

    You are lying and trying to mislead the public...
    No, just pointing out your misconceptions of reality.
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.

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