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    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    No it wasn't. The rest of that is so god-damned stupid and so obviously aimed at the poor and disadvantaged it could be considered latently racist, I'm not even going to bother with it. A "straw-man" is for retards who have nothing substantial or intelligent to say.

    Here is where you brought up racism Raoul. Why would you automatically assume it had anything to do with race (unless of course you read in to it, and then I'd wonder who the real racist is).

    Some people mistakenly believe crying "racist" will make people back off. Although that type of bullying may work on corporations, it doesn't work on the average joe.

    What was it specifically that bothered you so much? Does reality often upset you like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    No it wasn't. The rest of that is so god-damned stupid and so obviously aimed at the poor and disadvantaged it could be considered latently racist, I'm not even going to bother with it. A "straw-man" is for retards who have nothing substantial or intelligent to say.
    If you are an atheist why are you saying God damn for. that hints towards a belief in God or he could not Damn it
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    Quote Originally Posted by FisherRd
    Here is where you brought up racism Raoul. Why would you automatically assume it had anything to do with race (unless of course you read in to it, and then I'd wonder who the real racist is).
    The "racist" comment was because whenever "the poor" are discussed on this place it is almost entirely about urban poor (a majority of whom are minorities) and sounds very much like the same kind of crap you'd hear from some drunk bigot in a bar. It's completely ignorant of reality and only perpetuates one of the bigger obstacles, which is, for lack of a better term, tribalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by FisherRd
    Some people mistakenly believe crying "racist" will make people back off. Although that type of bullying may work on corporations, it doesn't work on the average joe.
    That's not my intent at all. If people want to harangue poor urban folk for having flashy cars and big TVs, that's their business. But if they don't want to acknowledge that the problem is much bigger than that or offer any solutions. . . I, in part, assume their hang-up is somewhat racial in origin (as I don't see the threads regarding the rural poor that game the system as poor urban folk do.)

    Quote Originally Posted by FisherRd
    What was it specifically that bothered you so much? Does reality often upset you like that?
    It's the ignorance and belief that the poor are somehow less worthy than the rest of us. Yes, this is, for the most part, a merit based society and I'm all for that. But to ignore the fact that the opportunity to achieve said merit is a heavily weighted game where people, like myself, "buy into" the game with more chips than others is tragic. I'm not advocating a "purely equal" society and I don't pretend to have the solution to the problem. But petty, historically inaccurate and bellicosely righteous screeds are neither the mindset nor the point of view needed to address what is becoming an ever growing problem. Solutions that punish the poor are not solutions, in the same way that solutions that reward poverty aren't.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    Quote Originally Posted by granpabob
    If you are an atheist why are you saying God damn for. that hints towards a belief in God or he could not Damn it
    No. It hints towards using an expression I've heard all my life. It's not an existential or philosophical term. You know what it means, as do I. If you want to debate the existence of God, we should start another thread.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    Some of the ideas expressed in the the Declaration of Independence made it into the Constitution ("God" not being one of them.) Still, it has no force or effect over anyone. The Constitution (a decidedly secular document) however, does.
    Where have you been for the last few years???

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    Quote Originally Posted by bLowHardy
    The Mayflower Compact, 1620
    "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, &c.

    Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

    In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."

    The Virginia Declaration of Rights
    Adopted by the Virginia Constitutional Convention on June 12, 1776.
    Section 16. That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practise Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other
    And still, you continue to cite documents that have absolutely no legal standing (outside of Virginia, that is. Even then, you've left out a nice bit of context).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eat My Gun
    Where have you been for the last few years???

    I wish the Constitution still mattered...
    Good point.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    My compliments to the posters on this thread because I lack the patience to carry on with such supposedly intellectual arguments, which you obviously have. I tend not to argue the obvious. Keep it up LHardy and FisherRd if you can stand arguing with such obviously hateful and unpatriotic people.
    It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required. (Sir Winston Churchill)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bflonum1fan
    My compliments to the posters on this thread because I lack the patience to carry on with such supposedly intellectual arguments, which you obviously have. I tend not to argue the obvious. Keep it up LHardy and FisherRd if you can stand arguing with such obviously hateful and unpatriotic people.
    A patriot is "one who resists the oppressive power of the State". Religion is an oppressive power which leaks into politics.

    Religion = Bad
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    In these days of Excel spread sheets and structured programming, folks try to put everything into certain categories and buckets. This is simply not possible; life and human behavior are way too complicated for that.

    I happen to think we do have a good constitution. Others may disagree. I also think that religion has and will continue to play a role in not only politics and law, but in most human endeavors. When people try to use religion per se as a wedge, as opposed to the acceptance of 'certain unalienable rights', I think they are wrong. However I won't try to bang them over the head because except in the case of young developing minds, their minds are made up and it's fruitless to argue until you are blue in the face.

    In frustration, I have been known to call names, and while it probably didn't settle any arguments, it sure makes me feel better by getting certain people PO'd !
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    Quote Originally Posted by bflonum1fan
    My compliments to the posters on this thread because I lack the patience to carry on with such supposedly intellectual arguments, which you obviously have. I tend not to argue the obvious. Keep it up LHardy and FisherRd if you can stand arguing with such obviously hateful and unpatriotic people.
    That's sad. Hateful and unpatriotic? Why couldn't you go for the trifecta and call me a terrorist lover or something. . . Frankly, I'm disappointed in you.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    A play on a poster's name is a no-no? It's not as if it was changed in to a vile or disgusting name. If anything, it's humorous and clever.
    We can call people all sorts of names around here yet blowhardy is deemed offensive?

    Now that's just strange.

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    BTW, there's an article in the Snews today about woman prisoners.
    Right off the bat I noticed that Charity Vogel mentions how her "subject" is in her North St apartment surrounded by "potted plants, a jumbo tv, and family photographs".

    I immediately thought "there will be a SUWNY thread about this". My second thought was "people will claim Vogel added the "jumbo tv" part to purposefully fan the flames of classism".

    The rest of the article was disturbing in regards to CO's raping inmates, but I'm not quite sure what to think of that. I know quite a few CO's, and none of them are the type that would turn a blind eye towards anything like that.

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