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    Erie County Sales Tax Rate becomes NYS Highest

    Erie County’s sales tax rate will remain at 8.75 percent, New York’s highest now that Oneida County has dropped its rate.
    WHY NO MEDIA COVERAGE ON THE VOTES TO EXTEND SALES TAXES !
    OH WAIT, BUSINESS AS USUALLY,

    Extra penny of sales tax headed for another extension
    By Matthew Spina NEWS STAFF REPORTER
    Updated: 01/25/08 6:51 AM


    The Erie County Legislature on Thursday took its second of the three procedural votes required to continue levying the sales tax penny first added in 1985, the “temporary penny” that triggers political haggling whenever it’s extended.

    This year’s action was no exception as lawmakers grudgingly voted, 12-3, to continue the penny through November 2010 — 11 months beyond their current term in office.

    With one more vote in a few weeks, Erie County’s sales tax rate will remain at 8.75 percent, New York’s highest now that Oneida County has dropped its rate to 8.75 percent as well.

    The 12-member Democratic majority split into two loose camps this month after Democrat Lynn M. Marinelli broke a taboo: She turned to the Legislature’s three Republican lawmakers for support in order to continue as chairwoman for another year.

    Her opponents later grumbled that the Republicans should not expect Democrats alone to cast the politically unpopular votes to keep the penny in place. Without the three Republican votes Thursday, the extension would have failed.

    “Realistically, there is no way we can avoid that 1 percent,” said Legislator John Mills of Orchard Park, the Republican minority leader (despite the fact that 60 of NY's 61 other counties have) . “My colleagues and I aren’t going to put ourselves in a position where we are going to disrupt the government.”

    Erie County will continue to share $12.5 million of the proceeds each year with cities, towns and villages, with Buffalo collecting the greatest share. Three legislators wanted to instead give the $12.5 million to cultural groups, the Olmsted Parks and a road repair fund.

    But proponents Michele M. Iannello of Kenmore, Robert B. Reynolds of Hamburg and Thomas A. Loughran of Amherst, all Democrats, were outnumbered. They cast the only votes against the sales tax extension.

    Erie County sorely needs the estimated $135 million a year generated by the temporary penny, Comptroller Mark C. Poloncarz once wrote in analyzing the government’s reliance on the sales tax over the property tax. But Poloncarz remarked that the dynamics over the penny’s extension since 1985 “only serves to encourage grandstanding, pandering and hysteria.”

    Sales tax extensions require support from a two-thirds majority of legislators, and traditionally the party in power provides the largest bloc of support. But lawmakers often withhold their votes for something in return.

    Marinelli is supported by a thin majority of legislators but cannot count on a majority of her Democratic caucus.

    The strategy to extend the tax through November 2010 was devised by former County Executive Joel A. Giambra and his lawyers before he left office. Extending the tax for 30 months lets the county go through the process with Albany less frequently and puts it on the same November renewal cycle as other counties.

    County Executive Chris Collins, a Republican, later said he was pleased the tax was extended.

    “Today’s vote is a continuing sign that the days of brazen partisanship are over,” he said in a written statement. “ . . . For those few legislators who still believe that partisan games are the best approach, I am hopeful that they will join the rest of us to help make a real difference for taxpayers.”
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    Well, this is our fault as voters by not doing something years ago to stop the money sucking.

    Unfortunately, now this has to stick until we demand real change.
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    B-b-b-but wait! I thought that Collins WAS real change? And he supported the extension??? How does that work?
    But your being a dick
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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    B-b-b-but wait! I thought that Collins WAS real change? And he supported the extension??? How does that work?

    Not enough time now... He needs to build up the surplus and then stream line everything . I mean everything.... May be next year sales tax will drop throuhg a special vote or something...

    For our area I think an 8% or a 7.5% would be a good goal.



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    Don't worry about run4it, he has no ability to see long term.


    Obviously Chris has inherited a mess, and he's going to need the penny at least for now to keep things above water.

    I have confidence that he's not only going to find a way to ditch that penny, but the one that came before it.

    Otherwise, he's not a very good businessman.
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    I love how they term it an "extra penny" as if to minimize it.

    It's ONE PERCENT!


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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    B-b-b-but wait! I thought that Collins WAS real change? And he supported the extension??? How does that work?
    What did you want him to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    B-b-b-but wait! I thought that Collins WAS real change? And he supported the extension??? How does that work?
    He's not going to make the same mistake as Giambra. The budget for this year is in motion, there's no way Chris could be in favor of doing away with that 1% before seeing how deep some of the cuts are he can make. The change comes in to play in not hiring his childhood playmate to drive him around and stuff like that. The other part of being about change is looking at where the waste is BEFORE cutting our legs out from under us. The changes should be pro-active, not reactive.
    Plus, I kinda like the idea of some Canadians adding to our revenues by that much more. Then maybe we can get rid of BOTH temp increases in one fell swoop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    B-b-b-but wait! I thought that Collins WAS real change? And he supported the extension??? How does that work?
    During the caimpagn he has always stated that he would not be able to decrease taxes or the sales tax....it's called keeping being honest....I guess local people would find that out of the ordinary

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyboard150
    Well, this is our fault as voters by not doing something years ago to stop the money sucking.

    Unfortunately, now this has to stick until we demand real change.

    THANK YOU!! A realist!!!!!!! There really was no tax revolt there was more a noise revolt if anything else. Taxes and fees not only increaes but they all surpassed the projected amounts that were being proposed initially!

    What the hell car registratin renewal over $60 bucks and then they want to add another $10 or $20 on top of that?????


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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasDude
    Erie County’s sales tax rate will remain at 8.75 percent, New York’s highest now that Oneida County has dropped its rate.
    WHY NO MEDIA COVERAGE ON THE VOTES TO EXTEND SALES TAXES !
    OH WAIT, BUSINESS AS USUALLY,

    Extra penny of sales tax headed for another extension
    By Matthew Spina NEWS STAFF REPORTER
    Updated: 01/25/08 6:51 AM

    County Executive Chris Collins, a Republican, later said he was pleased the tax was extended.

    “Today’s vote is a continuing sign that the days of brazen partisanship are over,” he said in a written statement. “ . . . For those few legislators who still believe that partisan games are the best approach, I am hopeful that they will join the rest of us to help make a real difference for taxpayers.”
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    While it may be too early for him to make a difference, I was disappointed in Chris Collins remarks on this topic. It sounds like he is for it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornandraised
    While it may be too early for him to make a difference, I was disappointed in Chris Collins remarks on this topic. It sounds like he is for it too.
    Not sure what 'remark' you are referring too but if it's the penny sales tax, that is just the fiscal reality of the county. Are we to incur an operating debt instead of being fiscally prudent or are you suggesting that we move off the sales tax and add it to taxes or some type of user fees or surcharges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSense
    Not sure what 'remark' you are referring too but if it's the penny sales tax, that is just the fiscal reality of the county. Are we to incur an operating debt instead of being fiscally prudent or are you suggesting that we move off the sales tax and add it to taxes or some type of user fees or surcharges?
    I prefaced the post by saying it may have been too early for Collins to do anything, but I would have expected him to say something like he will do all in his power to get rid of this extra penny or that this will be the last year of this additional tax rate. His remark was non-committal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornandraised
    I prefaced the post by saying it may have been too early for Collins to do anything, but I would have expected him to say something like he will do all in his power to get rid of this extra penny or that this will be the last year of this additional tax rate. His remark was non-committal.
    I agree 100% that he should state his stance (pro/anti) on the whole sales tax issue, however, (as much as I support the removal of the sales tax) I don't think he can make such a statement about the future of the sales tax without more info, time and benefits of cost saving initiatives. I know I wouldn't. I mean, What if he finds more crap that Giambra Effed up and he came out with a promise to cut future sales tax revenue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSense
    I agree 100% that he should state his stance (pro/anti) on the whole sales tax issue, however, (as much as I support the removal of the sales tax) I don't think he can make such a statement about the future of the sales tax without more info, time and benefits of cost saving initiatives. I know I wouldn't. I mean, What if he finds more crap that Giambra Effed up and he came out with a promise to cut future sales tax revenue?
    I saw him on the news last night (I think) and he was talking about the possible surplus we've discovered due to increased retail sales (in context of Canuckans shopping here). He seems pretty cogent on some of the revenues and possible future costs/adjustments we're experiencing in the context of the sales tax.

    This is to say, I'm comfortable that he's on top of the sales tax issue, and look forward to see how he addresses it in the coming couple of years.
    But your being a dick
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