His contact is Vince Graber. Wrong again.Originally Posted by erlyrizr1
I agree. However, such a C/B analysis may dispel some misconceptions/mis-perceptions about the relationship between the two and their relationship. A lot of times it is the unknown or misunderstood that fuels suspicion and contempt.
“We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.” ― Thomas Jefferson
Niagara, If you know this to be true, then you and Warren must be buddies. Maybe more than buddies. And we both know I wasn't wrong, don't we.
Speaking of tinkering, does anyone know or able to explain why the Town/Americorp(?) has bought the two homes next to the old Christian Metz home, which is now controlled by Americorp, across the street from the Americorp/Burchfield complex on Union Rd. next to where Cindy Locklear had her county legislator office ? I'm not sure if it is one or the other or both, but I was told it was for Americorp members/low income tenants to live in these homes. Is this some sort of further expansion of Americorp ? Why would the town buy homes to take them off the tax rolls ? The town is solely responsible for all upkeep and expenses of any properties and grounds that the Americorp group utilizes.
Flip the coin, maybe, maybe not. In any event the wheels are coming off your detective agency.
The houses are historic, as in OLD, and not that marketable. If the town bought them, no doubt Americorp pays rent for them, basicly buying them long term, and thereby preserving some historic houses. If Americorp bought them, 6.6 million dollar/year budget is alot of money.
Anyone else besides who has responded and can be taken somewhat seriously care to respond ? I believe some in here work very hard at burying posts they don't like or care for so that others don't read or see them in here.
I did a quick check on the properties in the area you mentioned. I only found the following that are owned by the Town:
SBL, Address, Owner, Deed Date, Total Assessment
134.08-2-1, 2001 UNION RD, TOWN OF WEST SENECA, 2/13/98, $263,400
134.08-1-6, 12 SCHOOL ST, TOWN OF WEST SENECA, 2/1/01, $32,500
134.08-1-5, 16 SCHOOL ST, TOWN OF WEST SENECA, 7/15/05, $55,600
134.08-1-4, 20 SCHOOL ST, TOWN OF WEST SENECA, 3/23/07, $12,000
The most recent one was 20 School St. which was authorized at the January 22, 2007 board meeting.
You raise some good questions on the liability issues and if Americorp is paying anything to offset the property tax loss. If a C/B were done and made public it would answer these questions.
“We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.” ― Thomas Jefferson
You don't like my comments? This house you refer to was bought for 12,000 which will take a big chunk out of the tax rolls. I presume the purpose was to preserve an area of historic interest: School St.
If this town is to be anything other than another Cheektowaga, it needs to establish some historic identity. I think some of the things done have been far sighted. And for you, "Sprit of Ebenezer", your name implies that you are somewhat concerned about that historic identity.
Last edited by Niagara; December 26th, 2007 at 04:18 PM.
That line has been intentionally blurred as far as distinction between Americorp and the town itself. I wouldn't be suprised if the town is not reimbursed in the appropriate manner from Americorp with regards to cost of these houses and properties. Given how Clark and Co. let the Soccer Association, run by Dave Lawson, who's brother Jim is 2nd in command at Americorp, out of the responsibility of the $2,000,000 lease agreement that was negotiated, I'm sure Lazzara would be the beneficiary of the same leniency.
I know that these homes and The Metz Building have been remodeled some by Americorp training programs. I also know that private contractors have gone in to do much of the work that the 'corp members were not able or skilled enough to do such as the plumbing, electrical, roofing and siding , etc. The fact that these are town owned properties, I would think that outside contracting work should be drawn up and bid out competively since it would run well into the thousands of dollars. Additionally the town has tenants living in these buildings. Someone is the landlord there. But who ? Who chooses who lives there ? Who pays the utilities. I was told Americorp deals with what goes on in these homes. It is a muddied picture on the surface to say the least. No one at Americorp or presently on the board has or will come forward to explain or elaborate this "unique" arrangement.
Since you did not like my reply you made a call for comments, but what is interesting is who responded to your call. Only several posts previously you responded to him by:
Now can he be taken somewhat seriously.....Ebenezer S. It seems like he went to a little trouble for your benefit looking up the information. And how do you know who is responsible for what, where does your information come from.....or maybe you are Kreskin or Houdini.
There is a level of validity with Dt Warren, he can be informing. To me it seems like he wants to impress with those pasted posts, which are often over the top and don't pinpoint what is the issue is easily. He could condense much of those posts to distinguish his point. That said, Yes, I thought maybe he could find something black and white to clarifiy a bit, what has been intentionally kept gray by Mark Lazzara and Paul Clark. I knew the town bought those properties. I was told there was more being sought. The issues and concerns surrounding the School St. properties are the facts as best as anyone has been able to find out......so far. It may be all on the up and up, but then why would ML and PC be evasive when questioned about what's what over there. That's why I stated the situations as they are there.
Last edited by Spirit of Ebenezer; December 27th, 2007 at 01:59 PM.
What I know is that Americorp pays the utility bills on the houses. The Metz house is used for GED teaching and Cindy Locklear's office is upstairs. Her rent goes to the town. The other houses on the street are used by VISTA members who sign up for a year of service and come here from out of town. They pay $200 a month for rent and that money goes to the town.
The contracting work does not get bid out. ML chooses who he wants and doesn't take any bids. A lot of money is spent on fixing these houses up. It is a very grey area when it comes to responsibilty for the tenants. My guess would be that ML would take care of it and if he can't then the town would have to step in.
These homes were also worked on by some of the Town Workers as well. The properties may be maintained by the Buildings and grounds department.
I am sure that historic preservation was the intent of keeping them. I think many had fallen into disarray and there is much history in that section of town.
The new board needs to get clarification on all the particulars there. It shouldn't be solely handled by Lazzara, given that the town itself is the owner and ultimately responsible for the properties and possibly the occupants.
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