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    See where I am going with this....
    No. To believe that all parties on Monday night were unaware of anything taking place between the Town, developer and DEC regarding the excavation/sewer work near the creek is completely naive.

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    Well, the next step is to find out what was the true intent of those lines and the DEC should be the ones to investigate........... Spring time if work is not to commence then the town should restore the are to it natural state.

    An area that I find mind boggling is the Ellicott creek over pass on Harris Hill… Looking at that mess you would think the house is going to fall right into the mess….. That should be fixed…..

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    Here we go again....

    Please excuse me for being a pain with the questions, but there's a lot I don't understand and the only way to learn is to ask.

    Is the "ditch" part of slate bottom creek?

    When you were told you needed to buy flood insurance, did they give you a reason why? And what was that reason?
    Yes it is the south Branch of Slate Bottom Creek but they had it labeled as a ditch....in addition they showed the creek where it was 30 years ago.. If they did a site inspection don't you think they would have noticed the creek was moved. Yes my neighbors and I were required to have flood insurance when you have a mortgage which isn't cheap... It actually covers nothing unless several homes are all flooded and the deductible is sky high. We had to purchase flood insurance because I'm located in a (A) class floodplain with high probability of a flood occuring.It has to do with the flood Insurance Program which I beleive is Federal. Most localities participate in this program and can be barred from program for not following several rules and regulations. One of the requirements is updated elevation maps when development has occurred to ensure flood pron areas won't be subjected to more water... something else the Town doesn't comply with. The current elevations they use for most drawings are that from Topo maps from 40's to 60's. Most floodplains maps in the area have not been changed since 80's or earlier. The one for my house at the building inspectors office still shows the creek where it was located 30 years ago. where it just touched the tip of my property.There is no map showing the creek the lenght of my property line. for all I know it may be on my property.
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    Well, the next step is to find out what was the true intent of those lines and the DEC should be the ones to investigate........... Spring time if work is not to commence then the town should restore the are to it natural state.

    An area that I find mind boggling is the Ellicott creek over pass on Harris Hill… Looking at that mess you would think the house is going to fall right into the mess….. That should be fixed…..
    What's mind boggling is that they did the excavation at this time of year. With a bone dry summer, all excavation, barrier erection, etc. could have been finished without incident. Unless they figured that this would be the year that snow and rain would not fall.

    Once again, what were they thinking (but then again, it's their land ((is it?)) and they can do what they want with it)?

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    People need to respond to Cross Creek

    As with all the Developments around Town, people need to respond and others besides the regulars need to show up at Town meetings. I know alot of people think you attend the meetings so they don't have to or for the elderly want you to act as spokes person because they can't get out. If they can't attend meetings they should write letters and have it entered into records to all agencies. Email is great but they can read it and forget it. Send a certified letter. I don't know if at this point if you could ask for a public meeting. We asked for Windsor Ridge and Sherwood said No. You guys are right and keep fighting for what's right. Agencies will give you the run around and the town and agencies will keep pointing the finger to eachother. Keep calling anyone that will listen.. you may be surprised. Great speakup article..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancaster wetlands
    As with all the Developments around Town, people need to respond and others besides the regulars need to show up at Town meetings. I know alot of people think you attend the meetings so they don't have to or for the elderly want you to act as spokes person because they can't get out. If they can't attend meetings they should write letters and have it entered into records to all agencies. Email is great but they can read it and forget it. Send a certified letter. I don't know if at this point if you could ask for a public meeting. We asked for Windsor Ridge and Sherwood said No. You guys are right and keep fighting for what's right. Agencies will give you the run around and the town and agencies will keep pointing the finger to eachother. Keep calling anyone that will listen.. you may be surprised. Great speakup article..

    True but at the same tiem yu cannot stop progress just because one gets a feeling of wrong doing...... There is a balance..... Lancaster has a long ways to go as it moves towards Alden so sometimes it wise to back off a bit then if something really goes wrong provide teh evidence and go to court.

    Having so and so drive around taking pitcures like Kojak is a bit much do you not agree??? No names mentioned one of five you know who you are......




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    Angry What are you smokin

    A FEELING OF WRONG DOING......... The Town has blatenly lied and has been totally irresponsible in controling waters and building on wetlands. Do you drive with your eyes closed... I'd rather be Kojak. What and wait for all the building to be completed so they can say it was someone elses fault....I have enough photos to make my own photo album of flooding,erosion and down right stupidity. Did you forget about the house on Seibert next to the creek. now theres a lake on both sides after everyone tried to fix what they screwed up. Her driveway should be shot by spring with water sitting on both sides. Sherwood had the nerve to say the lot on the other side was a buildable lot!!!!! they could build a moat A this went through a SEQR by the planning board Yes your right they all did there jobs and acted responsibly and had the residents and buyers best interest at heart!!!!! They get out there rubber stamp and say OK ....they don't look into anything unless someone questions whats being done. This house on seibert was given building permits and went through the SEQR process and everyone in the neighborhood thought it was a joke. When you ask a direct question they won't even answer... Why's that

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    Quote Originally Posted by concernedwnyer

    True but at the same tiem yu cannot stop progress just because one gets a feeling of wrong doing...... There is a balance..... Lancaster has a long ways to go as it moves towards Alden so sometimes it wise to back off a bit then if something really goes wrong provide teh evidence and go to court.

    Having so and so drive around taking pitcures like Kojak is a bit much do you not agree??? No names mentioned one of five you know who you are......



    Progress? You think the "developement" strip malls, busines parks and mcmansions build to order built where the farms used to be progress?

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    True but at the same tiem yu cannot stop progress just because one gets a feeling of wrong doing...... There is a balance..... Lancaster has a long ways to go as it moves towards Alden so sometimes it wise to back off a bit then if something really goes wrong provide teh evidence and go to court.
    Please explain how this is progress. They build and build without any semblance of planning under the auspices of bringing in tax revenues, yet with all of the development, taxes continually rise. This is a problem not only in Lancaster, but also other local municipalities.

    The difference between Lancaster and other towns is that the others planned for infrastructure and needed improvements, Lancaster bulldozes and will figure it all out later.

    The situation with Cross Creek is emblematic of many developments in Lancaster. If not for residents keeping them on their toes, it would be a hell of a lot worse.

    Please, please, please explain this "balance" principle. I gotta hear this one.

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    Is Greenman-Peterson Inc. Working for Developers

    From speakup article
    (Harris received a written response from GPI (Greenman-Peterson Inc.) on Wednesday December 28th stating that, “they have been performing the SWPPP inspections, that the DEC and COE) have visited the site, and that the agencies have not found any problems with the stormwater controls. I faxed this statement to the DEC and the COE and was told by both that this was not true.” )

    are any of there studies legite or do they just go along with the Developers and what they need to build. I don't know what they inspected but if everything is OK were in trouble. If I'm not mistaken they do most the hydralic anyalisis for Developers and Town. They perform many reports and have done many studies for Windsor Ridge South. No wonder half the Information is tainted and makes no sense. One of Lancasters Finest at work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foot Fungus
    Please explain how this is progress. They build and build without any semblance of planning under the auspices of bringing in tax revenues, yet with all of the development, taxes continually rise. This is a problem not only in Lancaster, but also other local municipalities.

    Yes but if there is a demand for such then the tax revenue will be higher.

    The difference between Lancaster and other towns is that the others planned for infrastructure and needed improvements, Lancaster bulldozes and will figure it all out later.

    I do not agree with that statement. Nope.....

    The situation with Cross Creek is emblematic of many developments in Lancaster. If not for residents keeping them on their toes, it would be a hell of a lot worse.

    Glad we have the Lancaster Crusaders AKA the One of Five Gang.

    Please, please, please explain this "balance" principle. I gotta hear this one.

    To tired to go into right now....
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    CONCERNEDWNYER is a Misnomer


    It seems to me Concernedwnyer is a misnomer, he is definitely not a real "concerned" WNYer. All response and answers that come from Purple are in the defense of the wrongdoers.

    The only answer that made sense was his answer to his incontinency problem.
    Depends! Depends is my answer.....
    Originally posted by Concernedwnyer
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    I've attached a map of the Stony Rd-Pleasantview area with the floodplain, state wetlands and national wetlands on it from www.erie.gov/maps. I could not visualize the size of the wetlands and floodplain from Ellicott creek until I saw it on the map.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja
    CONCERNEDWNYER is a Misnomer


    It seems to me Concernedwnyer is a misnomer, he is definitely not a real "concerned" WNYer. All response and answers that come from Purple are in the defense of the wrongdoers.

    The only answer that made sense was his answer to his incontinency problem.


    I've attached a map of the Stony Rd-Pleasantview area with the floodplain, state wetlands and national wetlands on it from www.erie.gov/maps. I could not visualize the size of the wetlands and floodplain from Ellicott creek until I saw it on the map.

    That's a good map. It's much better than the one from 2000 that I have.

    From looking at that map, it looks like theres more than 10 acres of wetlands and floodplains on the site.

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    Originally posted by gshowell
    That's a good map. It's much better than the one from 2000 that I have.
    Yes, if you get on www.erie.gov/maps , you'll see that the floodplain and wetlands almost totally encompass the whole area from West to east -Harris Hill Rd to Stony Rd and from North to south - Genesee St to Pleasantview Dr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshowell
    That's a good map. It's much better than the one from 2000 that I have.

    From looking at that map, it looks like theres more than 10 acres of wetlands and floodplains on the site.

    Go get em!!!! Chinese dragon with furious eyes and big claws crying tears of red!!!

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