Spitzer Firm on Immigrants Driver's Licenses

[CSense]

First of all, Immigration VIOLATIONS are just that...violations, not crimes. It is not a criminal offense to be in this country illegally. Congress does this so they can deny due process to the alien. If it were a crime to be in this country 'illegally,' then it would trigger constitutional protections. By keeping violations of the Immigration code non-criminal offenses, the Federal government can deport people faster and with less involvement from criminal courts.

Second of all, its not the job of New York, or any state, to enforce federal laws! Thats the federal government's job, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to be specific.

What Spitzer is proposing addresses a specific problem that exists in New York. That problem is illegal aliens driving without a license and/or insurance. If you get into an accident with someone who doesnt have insurance, you lose! rather your insurance company loses and everyone pays higher premiums as a result.

Eliot Spitzer did not create this problem, he is only trying to deal with it, and I think that is lost in this debate because the 'illegal' immigration debate is so politically charged.

Do you really look up laws or just spew garbage

• United States Code
  • TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
    • CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
      • SUBCHAPTER II - IMMIGRATION
        • PART VIII - GENERAL PENALTY PROVISIONS

Section 1325. Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of - (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed. (c) Marriage fraud Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both. (d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.


Please do your homework before posting what you may think is fact. It is a crime and possibly a felony.

[CSense]

What Spitzer needs to do is uphold our immigration laws. As a god damn lawyer he should no better.

He shouldn't pander to illegal aliens and those sympathetic to the cause. If he feels some obligation, then he should do nothing. Instead he is showing his bias against America for people who are undermining our laws and economy, the F er.


Go back to Mexico, Guatemala, Columbia, Panama, Peru or whatever country your from and apply legally. Don't like it, to ****ing Bad.

[Cgoodsp466]

Do you really look up laws or just spew garbage

• United States Code
  • TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
    • CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
      • SUBCHAPTER II - IMMIGRATION
        • PART VIII - GENERAL PENALTY PROVISIONS

Section 1325. Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of - (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed. (c) Marriage fraud Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both. (d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.


Please do your homework before posting what you may think is fact. It is a crime and possibly a felony.

C This clown is so anti american he makes Hitler look like good.All he spews is his love for the Illegals. I on the other hand hate the bastards,and I will do what ever I can to make their lives a hell. This is my country pedro If you cant do it the right way get the hell out.

[Enough]

Shut the ? up you wet back loving Sob.If some wet back bastard hits me and doesent have insurance,I will kick his taco bending ass all the way back to the boarder. You want to see charged I will show you charged.

Would that be a violation or a crime?

[run4it]

Actually, the statute does reference it being a civil violation as opposed to a criminal violation.

Also, I believe that felonies are characterized by incarceration above 1 year. This only calls for up to 6 months, suggesting a demeanor status, if any.

[PaulJonson]

Would that be a violation or a crime?

I think that would just be a warning.

[Bringthetruth]

Dude, you need to layoff the peyote.

You don't see what I can see, when the north american union comes to fruition, then you will get it.

[Genoobie]

What Spitzer needs to do is uphold our immigration laws. As a god damn lawyer he should no better.

He shouldn't pander to illegal aliens and those sympathetic to the cause. If he feels some obligation, then he should do nothing. Instead he is showing his bias against America for people who are undermining our laws and economy, the F er.


Go back to Mexico, Guatemala, Columbia, Panama, Peru or whatever country your from and apply legally. Don't like it, to ****ing Bad.

I love this....it's people like this that make me *want* to leave the US. Why don't you go back to where you came from? Did *you* fight to be here? Or did your Italian/Irish/English/German/French mama just come over on one of the boats and now you feel *entitled* to your piece of the pie and no-one else can have any. Jacka$$.

[CSense]

I love this....it's people like this that make me *want* to leave the US. Why don't you go back to where you came from? Did *you* fight to be here? Or did your Italian/Irish/English/German/French mama just come over on one of the boats and now you feel *entitled* to your piece of the pie and no-one else can have any. Jacka$$.

Then leave you moron. Get your leftist ass out of the country. If you can't follow the rules then go, bye, bye.

My parents are immigrants. I am first generation. You are an ass because you don't get it. Illegal Aliens water down the process and the significance of what my parents and others did. They waited 15 years to immigrate, these cocks get to come over at will. Get a life.

And yes, I fought to be here. I am a veteran and was in Desert Storm. What did you do piss boy/girl?

Shovel you self-righteous crap somewhere else.

[Cgoodsp466]

I love this....it's people like this that make me *want* to leave the US. Why don't you go back to where you came from? Did *you* fight to be here? Or did your Italian/Irish/English/German/French mama just come over on one of the boats and now you feel *entitled* to your piece of the pie and no-one else can have any. Jacka$$.

Dont let the door hit you in the Ass,Its people like us that intend to take our country back.Illegals need to be rounded up and sent a message that if they want to come to my country and breath my air then do it right. My family has been in this country since 1620 and we did fight for waht we have. I aint goin to let some Taco bender screw it up. Oh and repeat offenders would have a real problem. I intend to make there lives a living hell. Oh It is my pie

[Eat My Gun]

First of all, Immigration VIOLATIONS are just that...violations, not crimes. It is not a criminal offense to be in this country illegally. Congress does this so they can deny due process to the alien. If it were a crime to be in this country 'illegally,' then it would trigger constitutional protections. By keeping violations of the Immigration code non-criminal offenses, the Federal government can deport people faster and with less involvement from criminal courts.

Second of all, its not the job of New York, or any state, to enforce federal laws! Thats the federal government's job, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to be specific.

What Spitzer is proposing addresses a specific problem that exists in New York. That problem is illegal aliens driving without a license and/or insurance. If you get into an accident with someone who doesnt have insurance, you lose! rather your insurance company loses and everyone pays higher premiums as a result.

Eliot Spitzer did not create this problem, he is only trying to deal with it, and I think that is lost in this debate because the 'illegal' immigration debate is so politically charged.

Ok. So let me get this straight, people who are here illegally, working illegaly, not paying taxes, and have been driving illegally, are all of a sudden going to abide by the law requiring motor vehicle insurance? People really believe that?

Illegal immigrants who haven't bothered obeying the law before aren't real likely to start now. There's no reason for them to. Who is going to shell out real money for auto insurance when they have limited or no reportable income and therefore aren't likely to be sued should they be involved in an accident? I sure wouldn't.

I can't believe people fall for Spitzer's BS all the time. Has there really been a diproportionate number of auto accidents involving uninsured illegal immigrants to justify this policy change in the first place? Can someone show me the numbers?

Frankly, I believe this is the first step to allowing illegal immigrants to vote and rally greater support for Spitzer's socialist agenda.

[Eat My Gun]

It only makes since if the north american union merger is right around the corner where mexico ,canada and the USA will eventually have open borders.

It doesn't make sense if you look at it any other way.

Very subtly Spitzer get's it started in nys

Most of the time you and I are on completely different pages, but you are right on the money with this one....

[Bringthetruth]

Did everyone know that the mexican govrnment sent officials to the US to register mexicans in THIS country to vote and change US immigration laws ?




http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...49799&src=news

[PaulJonson]

Frankly, I believe this is the first step to allowing illegal immigrants to vote and rally greater support for Spitzer's socialist agenda.

I heard that Jim O has already signed on to represent them.

[CSense]

Did everyone know that the mexican govrnment sent officials to the US to register mexicans in THIS country to vote and change US immigration laws ?




http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...49799&src=news

PAN, mexican political party, sent officials to register mexicans in the US to vote in Mexican elections.

You made it sound like they were voting in US elections.