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    Why 9/11 Disaster was done from within America

    Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted

    The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay]

    Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down

    On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]

    http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane.html


    America And Its Allies Would Never Attack America!
    Now, hold it there! This is US military technology. We all surely know that the US and its allies would not conspire to attack America! Or do we?

    The Army's School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS ) thinks Israel is capable of doing exactly that. On September 10, 2001, The Washington Times ran a front page story which quoted SAMS officers:

    "Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: 'Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.'" ("US troops would enforce peace under Army study," The Washington Times , Sept.. 10, 2001, pg. A1, 9.) Just 24 hours after this story appeared, the Pentagon was hit and the Arabs were being blamed.

    These SAMS officers are obviously interested in protecting their country, but not all Americans are. Some are traitors and pay allegiance to Israel. Recall the June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, and American complicity in the attack.

    During the Six Day War, the Liberty, an American intelligence gathering ship, was sailing in international waters. Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats attacked it for 75 minutes. Read the story at the USS Liberty Memorial Website, at http://www.USSLiberty.com

    When four US fighter jets from a nearby aircraft carrier came to protect the Liberty, President Johnson, through Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, ordered the jets NOT to come to the Liberty's aid. Johnson reported said he did not care who was killed or what happened to the ship, he just didn't want his allies embarassed.

    http://157.238.204.10/lewis.txt
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    The Israeli attack was allowed to cotinue. Thirty-fourAmericans were killed and 171 wounded, thanks to the treason of an American president and defense seretary.

    Now consider Operation Northwoods: In 1962, US military leaders designed a plan to conduct terrorist acts against Americans and blame Cuba, to create popular sentiment for invasion of that country. Operation Northwoods included:

    Plans to shoot down a CIA plane designed to replicate a passenger flight and announce that Cuban forces shot it down.
    Creation of military casualties by blowing up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blaming Cuba: "....casualty lists in the US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation," and
    Development of a terror campaign in the Miami and Washington, DC.


    Robot plane flies Pacific unmanned http://www.itn.co.uk/news/20010424/worl ... plane.shtm or http://web.archive.org/web/200107070009 ... plane.shtm or http://www.Public-Action.com/911/itn

    (ITN Entertainment April 24, 2001) --- "The aircraft essentially flies itself, right from take-off, right through to landing, and even taxiing off the runway." - Australian Global Hawk manager Rod Smith.

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    A robot plane has made aviation history by becoming the first unmanned aircraft to fly across the Pacific Ocean.

    The American high-altitude Global Hawk spy plane made flew (sic) across the ocean to Australia, defence officials confirmed.

    The Global Hawk, a jet-powered aircraft with a wingspan equivalent to a Boeing 737, flew from Edwards Air Force Base in California and landed late on Monday at the Royal Australian Air Force base at Edinburgh, in South Australia state.

    The 8600 mile (13840 km) flight, at an altitude of almost 12.5 miles (20 km), took 22 hours and set a world record for the furthest a robotic aircraft has flown between two points.

    The Global Hawk flies along a pre-programmed flight path, but a pilot monitors the aircraft during its flight via a sensor suite which provides infra-red and visual images.

    "The aircraft essentially flies itself, right from takeoff, right through to landing, and even taxiing off the runway," said Rod Smith, the Australian Global Hawk manager.

    "While in Australia, the Global Hawk will fly about 12 maritime surveillance and reconnaissance missions around Australia's remote coastline.

    "It can fly non-stop for 36 hours and search 52,895 square miles (37,000 square km) in 24 hours. Australia is assessing the aircraft and might buy it in the future.

    "Emerging systems such as the Global Hawk offer Australia great potential for surveillance, reconnaissance and ultimately the delivery of combat power," said Brendan Nelson, parliamentary secretary to the Australian defence minister.

    "Nelson said the Global Hawk could be used in combat to 'detect, classify and monitor' targets as they approached the Australian coast."

    How could this info stay under the RADAR ???

    Wake up , our country has been hijacked, next so called terror attack will produce a police state !

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    Most of the High-jackers, if not all were Saudi's ... and we're America, we give people the benefit of the doubt they are here with good intention. Had Bill Clinton killed Osama Bin Laden years earlier when he know exactly where he was, this would probably have not happened. This happened in America because the Democrats cannot keep us safe, and left the mess for Republicans to clean up, so they could blame them and keep America blinded to it's domestic debacles. No really, it happened just like all senseless murders to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a-new-voice
    Most of the High-jackers, if not all were Saudi's ... and we're America, we give people the benefit of the doubt they are here with good intention. Had Bill Clinton killed Osama Bin Laden years earlier when he know exactly where he was, this would probably have not happened. This happened in America because the Democrats cannot keep us safe, and left the mess for Republicans to clean up, so they could blame them and keep America blinded to it's domestic debacles. No really, it happened just like all senseless murders to.
    I love it when national tragedies are distilled down to partisan blame. The Dems are to blame for 9/11? Please, give it a rest.....................

    P.S. Bush hasn't had much luck dealing with Bin Laden either. Then again, that might be because he attacked Iraq instead.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bringthetruth
    Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted

    The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay]

    Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down

    On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]

    http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane.html


    America And Its Allies Would Never Attack America!
    Now, hold it there! This is US military technology. We all surely know that the US and its allies would not conspire to attack America! Or do we?

    The Army's School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS ) thinks Israel is capable of doing exactly that. On September 10, 2001, The Washington Times ran a front page story which quoted SAMS officers:

    "Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: 'Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.'" ("US troops would enforce peace under Army study," The Washington Times , Sept.. 10, 2001, pg. A1, 9.) Just 24 hours after this story appeared, the Pentagon was hit and the Arabs were being blamed.

    These SAMS officers are obviously interested in protecting their country, but not all Americans are. Some are traitors and pay allegiance to Israel.

    http://157.238.204.10/lewis.txt
    Mirror of this page:
    http://www.public-action.com/911/USSLiberty-lewis.txt


    The Israeli attack was allowed to cotinue. Thirty-fourAmericans were killed and 171 wounded, thanks to the treason of an American president and defense seretary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a-new-voice
    Most of the High-jackers, if not all were Saudi's ... and we're America, we give people the benefit of the doubt they are here with good intention. Had Bill Clinton killed Osama Bin Laden years earlier when he know exactly where he was, this would probably have not happened. This happened in America because the Democrats cannot keep us safe, and left the mess for Republicans to clean up, so they could blame them and keep America blinded to it's domestic debacles. No really, it happened just like all senseless murders to.



    U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
    Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
    By David Ruppe
    N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001


    In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

    Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

    The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

    America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

    Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

    The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

    "These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

    "The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

    Gunning for War

    The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.

    The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

    Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof & that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."

    The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere  only 90 miles from U.S. shores.

    The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to provide firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.

    "The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.

    Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military  not democratic  control over the island nation after the invasion.

    "That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."

    'Over the Edge'

    The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military.

    Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.

    The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.

    There were reports U.S. military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election.

    And at least two popular books were published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day.

    The Senate Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger" in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.

    "Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge."

    Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963.

    One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base  an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.

    "There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.

    After 40 Years

    Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

    As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the assassination.

    The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.

    Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.

    "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford.
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    Some of you actually think the knowledge of 9/11 would be know by the public 6 yrs later LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by a-new-voice
    Had Bill Clinton killed Osama Bin Laden years earlier when he know exactly where he was, this would probably have not happened. This happened in America because the Democrats cannot keep us safe, and left the mess for Republicans to clean up, so they could blame them and keep America blinded to it's domestic debacles. No really, it happened just like all senseless murders to.
    There's a vast amount of stuff that you've cherry-picked to make your points, if it's even fair to call it that.

    I could start with blaming junk science regarding asbestos being the reason both towers fell, and have a reasonably valid point from an engineering perspective. The first tower struck had asbestos material protecting the internal structure- and it fell second. So in that case, litigation whores- lawyers- are to blame.

    In addition, the 'me-first' foreign policies of each and every single administration since WWII have played a role in this happening.
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    Alive Suicide Terrorist

    So what about the hijackers? On September 14th, 2001, the Department of Justice released the names of the alleged 19 hijackers. But on September 23rd, the BBC reported that Waleed Al Shehri was alive and well in Casablanca, Morocco.

    [Waleed] ... attended flight training school at Dayton Beach in the United States ... he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines
    -BBC, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm
    They also tracked down Abdulaziz Alomari, who is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and lost his passport while studying in Denver.

    "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."
    -The Telegraph, 9/23/2001
    In the same article, FBI Director Robert Mueller admitted that "the identity of several of the hijackers is in doubt."




    So how many hijackers turned up alive? At least nine of them. Wail M. Alshehri is alive and well.

    [Wail M. Al-Sheri] is a pilot whose father is a Saudi diplomat in Bombay. "I personally talked to both father and son today."
    -Gaafar Allagany, Saudi Arabian Embassy, LA Times, 9/21/2001
    Mohand Alshehri is alive in Saudi Arabia.

    According to eh Orlando Sentinel, the Aaudi Arabian embassy confirmed that ... Mohand Alshehri ... [is] not dead and had nothing to do with [9-11].
    -American Free Press, 10/12/2001
    Khalid Almihdhar is a computer programmer in Mecca.

    "I want to think all of this is a mistake." Almihdhar was watching TV at home when friends saw his photograph on the news and began to call to see if he was still alive.
    -Chicago Tribune, 10/04/2001
    Salem Alhazmi works at a chemical plant in Yanbu, Saudi Arabia.

    Salem Al-Hazmi is alive and ... not one of the people whoe perished in [Flight 77]. His passport had been stolen by a pickpocket in Cairo three years ago.
    -The Guardian, 9/21/2001
    Saeed Alghamdi is training to be a pilot in Tunis.

    "The FBI provided no evidence of my involvement in the attacks. You can't imagine what it is like to be described as a [dead terrorist] when you are innocent and alive."
    -The Telegraph, 9/23/2001
    Ahmed Alnami is an administrative supervisor for Saudi Airlines.

    "I'm still alive, I had never even heard of Pennsylvania." He never lost his passport and found it very worrying that his identity appeared to have been stolen.
    -The Telegraph, 9/23/2001
    We already covered Waleed and Abdulaziz. And last but not least, Mohammed Atta's father claimed to receive a phone call from his son on September 12th. On September 20th and 27th, Mueller admitted on CNN that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the hijackers"

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    Quote Originally Posted by a-new-voice
    This happened in America because the Democrats cannot keep us safe, and left the mess for Republicans to clean up, so they could blame them and keep America blinded to it's domestic debacles.
    So then I guess it's payback time-- look at the mess in Iraq the Republicans will leave for the Dems to clean-up. Look at the mess the Republicans have created with regard to international relations-- I guess the Dems will have to clean-up again.

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    Post America, committ murder on its own citizens? Im-POSSIBLE!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bringthetruth
    Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted

    The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay]

    Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down

    On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]

    http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane.html


    America And Its Allies Would Never Attack America!
    Now, hold it there! This is US military technology. We all surely know that the US and its allies would not conspire to attack America! Or do we?

    The Army's School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS ) thinks Israel is capable of doing exactly that. On September 10, 2001, The Washington Times ran a front page story which quoted SAMS officers:

    "Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: 'Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.'" ("US troops would enforce peace under Army study," The Washington Times , Sept.. 10, 2001, pg. A1, 9.) Just 24 hours after this story appeared, the Pentagon was hit and the Arabs were being blamed.

    These SAMS officers are obviously interested in protecting their country, but not all Americans are. Some are traitors and pay allegiance to Israel. Recall the June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, and American complicity in the attack.

    During the Six Day War, the Liberty, an American intelligence gathering ship, was sailing in international waters. Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats attacked it for 75 minutes. Read the story at the USS Liberty Memorial Website, at http://www.USSLiberty.com

    When four US fighter jets from a nearby aircraft carrier came to protect the Liberty, President Johnson, through Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, ordered the jets NOT to come to the Liberty's aid. Johnson reported said he did not care who was killed or what happened to the ship, he just didn't want his allies embarassed.

    http://157.238.204.10/lewis.txt
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    http://www.public-action.com/911/USSLiberty-lewis.txt


    The Israeli attack was allowed to cotinue. Thirty-fourAmericans were killed and 171 wounded, thanks to the treason of an American president and defense seretary.

    Now consider Operation Northwoods: In 1962, US military leaders designed a plan to conduct terrorist acts against Americans and blame Cuba, to create popular sentiment for invasion of that country. Operation Northwoods included:

    Plans to shoot down a CIA plane designed to replicate a passenger flight and announce that Cuban forces shot it down.
    Creation of military casualties by blowing up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blaming Cuba: "....casualty lists in the US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation," and
    Development of a terror campaign in the Miami and Washington, DC.


    Robot plane flies Pacific unmanned http://www.itn.co.uk/news/20010424/worl ... plane.shtm or http://web.archive.org/web/200107070009 ... plane.shtm or http://www.Public-Action.com/911/itn

    (ITN Entertainment April 24, 2001) --- "The aircraft essentially flies itself, right from take-off, right through to landing, and even taxiing off the runway." - Australian Global Hawk manager Rod Smith.

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    A robot plane has made aviation history by becoming the first unmanned aircraft to fly across the Pacific Ocean.

    The American high-altitude Global Hawk spy plane made flew (sic) across the ocean to Australia, defence officials confirmed.

    The Global Hawk, a jet-powered aircraft with a wingspan equivalent to a Boeing 737, flew from Edwards Air Force Base in California and landed late on Monday at the Royal Australian Air Force base at Edinburgh, in South Australia state.

    The 8600 mile (13840 km) flight, at an altitude of almost 12.5 miles (20 km), took 22 hours and set a world record for the furthest a robotic aircraft has flown between two points.

    The Global Hawk flies along a pre-programmed flight path, but a pilot monitors the aircraft during its flight via a sensor suite which provides infra-red and visual images.

    "The aircraft essentially flies itself, right from takeoff, right through to landing, and even taxiing off the runway," said Rod Smith, the Australian Global Hawk manager.

    "While in Australia, the Global Hawk will fly about 12 maritime surveillance and reconnaissance missions around Australia's remote coastline.

    "It can fly non-stop for 36 hours and search 52,895 square miles (37,000 square km) in 24 hours. Australia is assessing the aircraft and might buy it in the future.

    "Emerging systems such as the Global Hawk offer Australia great potential for surveillance, reconnaissance and ultimately the delivery of combat power," said Brendan Nelson, parliamentary secretary to the Australian defence minister.

    "Nelson said the Global Hawk could be used in combat to 'detect, classify and monitor' targets as they approached the Australian coast."

    How could this info stay under the RADAR ???

    Wake up , our country has been hijacked, next so called terror attack will produce a police state !

    I fully agree. Thing is, you could have written/spoken confessions by those who plotted 9/11 (Americans, Israelis and maybe some Saudis) and a good percent of the American public would be in denial, insisting that the U.S. government would NEVER intentionally harm its citizens.

    I've often spoke up defending Jews on this blog, however, Israel's original purpose of a homeland for the Jewish people has diminished to that of a manipulating military state and a damned sharp intelligence/warfare/financial network.

    Anyone who calls me a "self-loathing Jew" should-Nevermind.

    9/11's plot is rife with holes which reveal it as mainly an "inside job," but the government -owned media will never give the public a peek at the truth.

    I put NOTHING past the various governments of the world;They are capable of whatever it takes to achieve their goals and the deaths of innocent civillians/needless wars are simply another means to achieving what are obscure ends, unless one subscribes to globalization and the 300, a one-world government.

    I don't blame most of the public for believing the "party line" about how and why 9/11 occurred not to mention, that most people are self-centered shallow imbeciles. Right, FisherRd?

    For some reason which I can not fully fathom, the American public has a "mindset" which believes (for the most part) that the United States government is "moral" and above the atrocities committed by other nations (mainly 3rd world nations, OFTEN TRAINED AND ARMED BY OUR OWN C.I.A.

    I'm not rambling. So much to say, so much to cry about and all the actions of all of the peace and advocacy groups in the world won't steer "the plan" off course by a fraction of a degree:That's why I will never vote again, never join any special interest group/Liberal group-Its a total waste of time.

    There are no "Pyrrhic victories" in this world:We're all expendable, ergo, 9/11 and other "love" from our governments.
    Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys.

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    So do we still believe the plane was hijacked? What about all the cell calls to loved ones from passengers on those planes? The planes did hit the towers, the pentagon and a field in PA and there were people on those planes. What caused them to crash? American trained suicide bombers? Remote control planes my ass. Maybe it was Woody Harrelson's dad on the grassy knoll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by My2cents
    So do we still believe the plane was hijacked? What about all the cell calls to loved ones from passengers on those planes? The planes did hit the towers, the pentagon and a field in PA and there were people on those planes. What caused them to crash? American trained suicide bombers? Remote control planes my ass. Maybe it was Woody Harrelson's dad on the grassy knoll.
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    When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing



    By William M. Arkin
    Special to washingtonpost.com
    Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

    "Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

    At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

    But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

    By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

    Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."

    "They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.

    A Box of Chocolates is Like War


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    Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump, when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy.
    For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future.

    "Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare.


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    PSYOPS seeks to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations.

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    Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives.

    To some, PSYOPS is a backwater military discipline of leaflet dropping and radio propaganda. To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup.

    Allah on the Holodeck


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    Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world.
    The tape war never proceeded, killed, participants say, by bureaucratic fights over jurisdiction, skepticism over the technology, and concerns raised by Arab coalition partners.


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    What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad?

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    But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?

    According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air.

    But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources.

    And besides, investigators came back, what does Allah look like?

    The Gulf War hologram story might be dismissed were it not the case that washingtonpost.com has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."

    War is Like a Box of Chocolates


    Voice-morphing? Fake video? Holographic projection? They sound more like Mission Impossible and Star Trek gimmicks than weapons. Yet for each, there are corresponding and growing research efforts as the technologies improve and offensive information warfare expands.
    Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations.

    The irony is that after Papcun finished his speech cloning research, there were no takers in the military. Luckily for him, Hollywood is interested: The promise of creating a virtual Clark Gable is mightier than the sword.

    Video and photo manipulation has already raised profound questions of authenticity for the journalistic world. With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future.

    "We already know that seeing isn't necessarily believing," says Dan Kuehl, "now I guess hearing isn't either."



    William M. Arkin, author of "The U.S. Military Online," is a leading expert on national security and the Internet. He lectures and writes on nuclear weapons, military matters and information warfare. An Army intelligence analyst from 1974-1978, Arkin currently consults for Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive, MSNBC and the Natural Resources Defense Council.

    Arkin can be reached for comment at william_arkin@washingtonpost.com.

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    And this refutes my statement how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bringthetruth
    When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing
    Are you suggesting that the US govt digitally faked every cell phone call from passengers to their loved ones?

    You've gone off the deep end my friend...

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