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    Interracial Marriages, Black Women Going For White Men.

    The article below will make Funky happy, but Bringthelies just might burst.

    More black women consider 'dating out'

    By Dionne Walker, Associated Press


    RICHMOND, Va. — For years, Toinetta Jones played the dating game by her mom's strict rule. "Mom always told me, 'Don't you ever bring a white man home,'" recalled Jones, echoing an edict issued by many Southern, black mothers. But at 37, the Alexandria divorcee has shifted to dating "anyone who asks me out," regardless of race.
    "I don't sit around dreaming about the perfect black man I'm going to marry," Jones said.

    Black women around the country also are reconsidering deep-seated reservations toward interracial relationships, reservations rooted in America's history of slavery and segregation.

    They're taking cues from their favorite stars — from actress Shar Jackson to tennis pro Venus Williams — as well as support blogs, how-to books and interracially themed novels telling them it's OK to "date out."

    It comes as statistics suggest American black women are among the least likely to marry.

    "I'm not saying that white men are the answer to all our problems," Jones said. "I'm just saying that they offer a different solution."

    She reflects many black women frustrated as the field of marriageable black men narrows: They're nearly seven times more likely to be incarcerated than white men and more than twice as likely to be unemployed.

    Census data showed 117,000 black wife-white husband couples in 2006, up from 95,000 in 2000.

    There were just 26,000 such couples in 1960, before a Supreme Court ruling banished laws against mixed marriages.

    Black female-white male romance has become a hot topic in black-geared magazines and on websites, even hitting the big screen in movies like last year's "Something New."

    That film centers on an affluent black woman who falls for her white landscaper, a situation not unlikely as black women scale the corporate ladder, said Evia Moore, whose interracial marriage blog draws 1,000 visitors a day.

    It features articles like "Could Mr. Right Be White?" and pictures of couples like white chef Wolfgang Puck and his new Ethiopian wife.

    "Black women are refusing to comply with that message about just find yourself a good blue-collar man with a job, or just find a black man," Moore said.

    She pointed to low rates of black men in college, a place where women of all races often meet their spouses.

    Black women on campus largely are surrounded by non-black men: In 2004, 26.5% of black males ages 18 to 24 were enrolled in college versus 36.5% of black women that age, according to the American Council on Education's most recent statistics.

    Even after college, Roslyn Holcomb struggled to meet professional black men.

    "I wanted to get married (and) have children," she said. "If I was only meeting one guy a year, or every few years, that wasn't going to happen."

    The Alabama author eventually married white.

    "I think a lot of black women are realizing or feeling that the pickings are slim," she said.

    They're made even slimmer, grumble many black women, by high rates of successful black men choosing blondes. For some, they argue, white wives are the ultimate status symbol.

    "They don't want a dark chocolate sister laying around their swimming pool," Moore said.

    Nearly three quarters of the 403,000 black-white couples in 2006 involved black husbands.

    Meanwhile, psychological barriers have discouraged black women from crossing racial lines.

    "Black women are socialized to stick by their men," explained Kellina Craig-Henderson, a Howard University psychology professor who studied 15 black women dating interracially.

    She said modern black women agonize over breaking male-female bonds forged in slavery and strengthened through the Jim Crow era.

    "It may be even more of an issue for educated black women who have a sense of the historical realities of this country, where black women often were abused at the hands of white men," Craig-Henderson said.

    Jones remembered being troubled when a white man politely approached her around 1990. Her stance softened years later, after a sobering party experience.

    "All the black men literally pushed (us) out the way to talk to the blondes," said Jones, who soon declared, "I'm going to date whoever."

    Black men and women have openly feuded before.

    At places like Atlanta's Spelman College, black women have rallied against black male rappers characterizing them as promiscuous.

    But black men are voicing their own frustrations with women they feel regard them with suspicion. "They treat us all the same," said W. Randy Short, a Washington writer who dates across races. "The rapist on the TV is the same as me."

    It's a frustration director Tim Alexander tackles in "Diary of a Tired Black Man," a frank film covering everything from black women's demeanors to their weight. Frustrated by black women, the main character dates a white one.

    "To a certain degree, black people are sick of each other," Alexander said. "It would be better for black men and black women to open their options."

    But Ayo Handy-Kendi, creator of Black Love Day, argues blacks are simply reacting to messages linking success with whiteness. She referred to a string of successful athletes with white partners, including golfer Tiger Woods.

    "They normally rejected their culture and they went to the acceptable standard of success — a white woman," said Handy-Kendy, who thought it ironic high-achieving black women were mimicking the behavior.

    Back in Virginia, Jones feels life is too short to ponder race when it comes to love.

    As for mom, Jones figures, "she really admires the fact that I did something she may have really wanted to do, and never did."

    Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...g_N.htm?csp=34

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    Are you saying that black men are inferior to white men?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfing USA
    The article below will make Funky happy, but Bringthelies just might burst.

    More black women consider 'dating out'

    By Dionne Walker, Associated Press


    RICHMOND, Va. — For years, Toinetta Jones played the dating game by her mom's strict rule. "Mom always told me, 'Don't you ever bring a white man home,'" recalled Jones, echoing an edict issued by many Southern, black mothers. But at 37, the Alexandria divorcee has shifted to dating "anyone who asks me out," regardless of race.
    "I don't sit around dreaming about the perfect black man I'm going to marry," Jones said.

    Black women around the country also are reconsidering deep-seated reservations toward interracial relationships, reservations rooted in America's history of slavery and segregation.

    They're taking cues from their favorite stars — from actress Shar Jackson to tennis pro Venus Williams — as well as support blogs, how-to books and interracially themed novels telling them it's OK to "date out."

    It comes as statistics suggest American black women are among the least likely to marry.

    "I'm not saying that white men are the answer to all our problems," Jones said. "I'm just saying that they offer a different solution."

    She reflects many black women frustrated as the field of marriageable black men narrows: They're nearly seven times more likely to be incarcerated than white men and more than twice as likely to be unemployed.

    Census data showed 117,000 black wife-white husband couples in 2006, up from 95,000 in 2000.

    There were just 26,000 such couples in 1960, before a Supreme Court ruling banished laws against mixed marriages.

    Black female-white male romance has become a hot topic in black-geared magazines and on websites, even hitting the big screen in movies like last year's "Something New."

    That film centers on an affluent black woman who falls for her white landscaper, a situation not unlikely as black women scale the corporate ladder, said Evia Moore, whose interracial marriage blog draws 1,000 visitors a day.

    It features articles like "Could Mr. Right Be White?" and pictures of couples like white chef Wolfgang Puck and his new Ethiopian wife.

    "Black women are refusing to comply with that message about just find yourself a good blue-collar man with a job, or just find a black man," Moore said.

    She pointed to low rates of black men in college, a place where women of all races often meet their spouses.

    Black women on campus largely are surrounded by non-black men: In 2004, 26.5% of black males ages 18 to 24 were enrolled in college versus 36.5% of black women that age, according to the American Council on Education's most recent statistics.

    Even after college, Roslyn Holcomb struggled to meet professional black men.

    "I wanted to get married (and) have children," she said. "If I was only meeting one guy a year, or every few years, that wasn't going to happen."

    The Alabama author eventually married white.

    "I think a lot of black women are realizing or feeling that the pickings are slim," she said.

    They're made even slimmer, grumble many black women, by high rates of successful black men choosing blondes. For some, they argue, white wives are the ultimate status symbol.

    "They don't want a dark chocolate sister laying around their swimming pool," Moore said.

    Nearly three quarters of the 403,000 black-white couples in 2006 involved black husbands.

    Meanwhile, psychological barriers have discouraged black women from crossing racial lines.

    "Black women are socialized to stick by their men," explained Kellina Craig-Henderson, a Howard University psychology professor who studied 15 black women dating interracially.

    She said modern black women agonize over breaking male-female bonds forged in slavery and strengthened through the Jim Crow era.

    "It may be even more of an issue for educated black women who have a sense of the historical realities of this country, where black women often were abused at the hands of white men," Craig-Henderson said.

    Jones remembered being troubled when a white man politely approached her around 1990. Her stance softened years later, after a sobering party experience.

    "All the black men literally pushed (us) out the way to talk to the blondes," said Jones, who soon declared, "I'm going to date whoever."

    Black men and women have openly feuded before.

    At places like Atlanta's Spelman College, black women have rallied against black male rappers characterizing them as promiscuous.

    But black men are voicing their own frustrations with women they feel regard them with suspicion. "They treat us all the same," said W. Randy Short, a Washington writer who dates across races. "The rapist on the TV is the same as me."

    It's a frustration director Tim Alexander tackles in "Diary of a Tired Black Man," a frank film covering everything from black women's demeanors to their weight. Frustrated by black women, the main character dates a white one.

    "To a certain degree, black people are sick of each other," Alexander said. "It would be better for black men and black women to open their options."

    But Ayo Handy-Kendi, creator of Black Love Day, argues blacks are simply reacting to messages linking success with whiteness. She referred to a string of successful athletes with white partners, including golfer Tiger Woods.

    "They normally rejected their culture and they went to the acceptable standard of success — a white woman," said Handy-Kendy, who thought it ironic high-achieving black women were mimicking the behavior.

    Back in Virginia, Jones feels life is too short to ponder race when it comes to love.

    As for mom, Jones figures, "she really admires the fact that I did something she may have really wanted to do, and never did."

    Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...g_N.htm?csp=34
    Any yet more race baiting. You've been reading too much Timmy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001
    Any yet more race baiting. You've been reading too much Timmy.
    Must be the heat

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginTaxpayer
    Must be the heat
    Guess so. This stuff is just ridiculous.

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    Maybe you could talk about it via private messages atotal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FisherRd
    Maybe you could talk about it via private messages atotal?
    Huh? You lost me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfing USA
    [COLOR="Blue"]The article below will make Funky happy, but Bringthelies just might burst. [
    In SurfingUSA's own words, he/she wrote this post to incite bitterness and escalate racial tensions. You have a lot to be sorry about Surfing; this isn't funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueEagle
    Are you saying that black men are inferior to white men?

    It's an article by Dionne Walker of the AP, so I don't think Surfin said anything like what you're asking.

    As for the racial tension, Flunky to my knowledge (and from looking at his avatar) is a white man fond of black women. The other clown (bringontruth or whatever) has been posting racially oriented posts and threads nonstop for a couple of days. Obviously Surfin figured turn about is fair play.

    Why are candid discussions of race so frightening to some people? If racial discussions offend you (not you specifically) then avoid them, but don't expect everyone to be so timid about speaking their mind or defending a point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FisherRd
    It's an article by Dionne Walker of the AP, so I don't think Surfin said anything like what you're asking.

    As for the racial tension, Flunky to my knowledge (and from looking at his avatar) is a white man fond of black women. The other clown (bringontruth or whatever) has been posting racially oriented posts and threads nonstop for a couple of days. Obviously Surfin figured turn about is fair play.

    Why are candid discussions of race so frightening to some people? If racial discussions offend you (not you specifically) then avoid them, but don't expect everyone to be so timid about speaking their mind or defending a point of view.
    Good points. But it does feel all these racial issues are taking over the board lately, to a point I think it's disportionate to the general public's overall concern.

    Feels like the board is sprouting a lot of new Timmys..............

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    Again, I'm not ointing fingers at Surfing. I understand why he started this thread. I agree with his viewpoint. Racial discrimination goes both ways.

    perhaps posting opposing views in the same thread would encourage dialogue between all parties who have something to say, instead of numerous threads by individual posters.

    Thats just my opinion, and is not representative of the opinion of the admin or mods of speakupwny.

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    If thats true then thats really good, very good

    Quote Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001
    Feels like the board is sprouting a lot of new Timmys..............
    If thats true then thats really good, very good! It means that even if we disagree with can finally really speak to each other....instead of at each other through a liberal politically correct filter

    It also means that the white community needed be afraid and intimidated by accusations of racism especially accusations for political personal or business intimidation.

    It also means that the black community needs to find real solutions to real problems instead of blaming whitey....and instead of blaming whitey they can direct their attention to teachers unions and government policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FisherRd
    Why are candid discussions of race so frightening to some people? If racial discussions offend you (not you specifically) then avoid them, but don't expect everyone to be so timid about speaking their mind or defending a point of view.
    Hi FisherRd. I always like corresponding with you because even when we disagree there can still be intelligent and educational discussion. People are afraid of candid racial discussions because of their tendency to explode.

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