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    Gore Refuses to Debate

    Gore Refuses to Debate Global Warming Theory
    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...237.shtml?s=ic

    Best-selling author Dennis Avery is the next prominent figure to challenge the facts Al Gore is promoting in his global warming crusade. Mr. Avery is co-author of "Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1,500 Years."

    The list of Al Gore detractors continues to grow as his extreme rhetoric and conclusions get dissected by scientists, economists, and researchers. Avery joins Lord Christopher Monckton (former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher advisor), Bjorn Lomborg (Danish economist), author Michael Crichton, Prof. S. Fred Singer (former director of the U.S. National Weather Service), Tim Ball, Ph.D. (historical climatologist), Prof. Ian Clark (University of Ottawa), and Prof. Richard Lindzen (MIT) among others.

    Gore has refused all debate challengers to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHardy
    Gore Refuses to Debate Global Warming Theory
    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...237.shtml?s=ic

    Best-selling author Dennis Avery is the next prominent figure to challenge the facts Al Gore is promoting in his global warming crusade. Mr. Avery is co-author of "Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1,500 Years."

    The list of Al Gore detractors continues to grow as his extreme rhetoric and conclusions get dissected by scientists, economists, and researchers. Avery joins Lord Christopher Monckton (former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher advisor), Bjorn Lomborg (Danish economist), author Michael Crichton, Prof. S. Fred Singer (former director of the U.S. National Weather Service), Tim Ball, Ph.D. (historical climatologist), Prof. Ian Clark (University of Ottawa), and Prof. Richard Lindzen (MIT) among others.

    Gore has refused all debate challengers to date.
    Any idea why these people want to debate Gore instead of the scientists who promote the idea of man induced global warming? The American Geophysical Union, Union of Concerned Scientists, U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, National Academy of Sciences, American Meteorological Society all suppport the idea of man induced global warming.

    Seems to me that you believe it more important to attack the messenger rather than the people who developed the message. Particularly since your side also believes the earth is warming up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Wing
    Seems to me that you believe it more important to attack the messenger rather than the people who developed the message. Particularly since your side also believes the earth is warming up.
    Al Gore is more then a messenger he has become the messiah for "Man Made Global Warming"

    He is taking his talking points across the globe unchallenged and challenges have been put to him. He refuses. Sounds like Al Gore is not all that informed or confident in his position.

    There are many more people of those same institutes that do not buy into the "Man made global warming consensus"
    Everything that has been presented as science is not fact and consensus does not represent science. If consensus represents science then GOD does exist and there will be no more debate about that either.

    If the science community on the side of "Man Made" global warming refuses to debate their claim. Their claim must be considered false or inaccurate.

    Real science calls for debate and constant research to prove an assumption false. If the assumption can not be proven false then it is true and can be called a scientific break through. We do not have that in the "Man Made" global warming consensus. It is being forced upon the world as truth and more evidence exists that it is not as declared.

    I find it hilarious that when challenged to a debate on something that is declared fact why the fuss. Debate and prove the nay sayers wrong.

    Their has been no debate just a consensus. That is not science and the longer this goes on the more scientists that will come out against the position of "Man Made global warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Wing
    Seems to me that you believe it more important to attack the messenger rather than the people who developed the message.
    yeah... thats kinda par for the course for skeptics.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    Check out this week's Newsweek...it seems that Exxon paid any scientist $10,000 for any article written to dispute man-made global warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffy
    Check out this week's Newsweek...it seems that Exxon paid any scientist $10,000 for any article written to dispute man-made global warming.
    Are you saying they shouldn't be compensated for their efforts? Most scientists don't work for free.

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    Global Cooling is now a fear too.
    If you don't toe the Man Made Global Warming line then you'll be dodging the purse swinging from the believers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffy
    Check out this week's Newsweek...it seems that Exxon paid any scientist $10,000 for any article written to dispute man-made global warming.
    Do you mean to say the scientists who make statements that global warming is "man made" are not paid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffy
    Check out this week's Newsweek...it seems that Exxon paid any scientist $10,000 for any article written to dispute man-made global warming.
    Both sides do this. A climatologist from India, primarly funded by the UN, blamed US aircraft over Pakistan for global warming.
    "At a minimum, a head of state should have a head."- Vladimir Putin

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    Seems not every scientist is willing to bow down before AL Gore and the IIPC

    Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics
    U.S. Senate Committee on Enviroment & Public Works
    May 15, 2007
    http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...b-dccb00b51a12

    Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics. The names included below are just a sampling of the prominent scientists who have spoken out recently to oppose former Vice President Al Gore, the United Nations, and the media driven “consensus” on man-made global warming.

    The list below is just the tip of the iceberg. A more detailed and comprehensive sampling of scientists who have only recently spoken out against climate hysteria will be forthcoming in a soon to be released U.S. Senate report. Please stay tuned to this website, as this new government report is set to redefine the current climate debate.

    Go see the list

    They call this a consensus?
    Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post
    Published: Saturday, June 02, 2007
    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/f...1-5c755457a8af

    A Gallup poll at the time reported that 53% of scientists actively involved in global climate research did not believe global warming had occurred; 30% weren't sure; and only 17% believed global warming had begun. Even a Greenpeace poll showed 47% of climatologists didn't think a runaway greenhouse effect was imminent; only 36% thought it possible and a mere 13% thought it probable.

    Today, Al Gore is making the same claims of a scientific consensus, as do the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and hundreds of government agencies and environmental groups around the world. But the claims of a scientific consensus remain unsubstantiated. They have only become louder and more frequent.

    A petition organized by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine between 1999 and 2001 claimed some 17,800 scientists in opposition to the Kyoto Protocol. A more recent indicator comes from the U.S.-based National Registry of Environmental Professionals, an accrediting organization whose 12,000 environmental practitioners have standing with U.S. government agencies such as the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Energy. In a November, 2006, survey of its members, it found that only 59% think human activities are largely responsible for the warming that has occurred, and only 39% make their priority the curbing of carbon emissions. And 71% believe the increase in hurricanes is likely natural, not easily attributed to human activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHardy
    Do you mean to say the scientists who make statements that global warming is "man made" are not paid?
    a guy paid by a company with a financial stake in the matter is somehow more reliable? please show me the "big business" funding the scientist arguing that global wamring is real? not oddly though, most of the skeptics seem to have a connection to companies or to think tanks with said connections that stand to lose money if the world has to adjust the business model to attempt to deal with global warming. but i'm sure they're being honest and forthright. i mean, when has a company ever lied...
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    Look in the mirror Einstein.

    You honestly believe that anything coming from a government agency that has no competition is going to be truth?
    That is a laugh.
    I and others are critized daily for our believing something told to us by our government. That how can we believe such liars.

    Now you want us to believe the government when it props up your agenda.

    I'll take buisness over government any day.
    Buisness has to compete, so telling the truth for them is more of a priority then it is for any government agency which has no competition.

    Government agencies never lie or have vested interest in capital? Wow? You guys' are unbeleivable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHardy
    Look in the mirror Einstein.

    You honestly believe that anything coming from a government agency that has no competition is going to be truth?
    That is a laugh.
    I and others are critized daily for our believing something told to us by our government. That how can we believe such liars.

    Now you want us to believe the government when it props up your agenda.

    I'll take buisness over government any day.
    Buisness has to compete, so telling the truth for them is more of a priority then it is for any government agency which has no competition.

    Government agencies never lie or have vested interest in capital? Wow? You guys' are unbeleivable.
    yeah because our predominately republican and politicized government are tree huggers. yes, i will take the word of a scientist working for a foundation, academic institution and/or government agency where no fiscal connection can be proven and who allow their work to be peer reviewed (which a lot of the industry skeptics won't) over that of a scientist in the employ of a company that has a financial stake in the whole debate.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    academic institution and/or government agency where no fiscal connection can be proven and who allow their work to be peer reviewed (which a lot of the industry skeptics won't) over that of a scientist in the employ of a company that has a financial stake in the whole debate.
    You really know nothing of what drives a human being to work for a living do you?
    First is Money
    Second is enjoyment of the work they do.
    Third, fourth, fifth and so on - Money

    Everyone has a stake in their own employment. To think otherwise is to not know employment.

    When did the government pass legislation that all government employees and any institution that receives government funding, must now work for free and be happy with the duty they preform for the good of the public?

    Bureaucracies exist for self preservation and perpetuation.

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