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When Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and the heads of New York State United Teachers, 1199 SEIU and the Civil Service Employees Association come out against a tax cap, you've got to consider the possibility that the cap is a good idea.
Gov.-elect Andrew M. Cuomo hasn't even taken office yet, but these three unions have issued a blistering attack against Cuomo's effort to limit local property tax increases to 2 percent annually. Silver, speaking more cautiously, says he supports the concept of a cap, but worries that it will deprive schools of money -- a little like worrying that eating less will deprive a dieter of pounds.
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It's really going over their heads isn't it. CUTS, not caps on increases.When Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and the heads of New York State United Teachers, 1199 SEIU and the Civil Service Employees Association come out against a tax cap, you've got to consider the possibility that the cap is a good idea.
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Everyone says they want cuts but no one wants to cut at the risk they will upset people. We saw it starkly in this past years elections and also in the Erie County budget battle.Originally Posted by WNYresident
School board budgets are the most democratic form government we have. Everyone who lives in the school district gets to vote, whether or not they have children in the schools.
Not only do they get to vote for the school board candidates, they also get to vote up or down on the entire budget.
How much more power could a citizen ask for? The unilaterally power to decide whether or not they will pay a tax?
Being a law unto yourself is not power - it is anarchy.
Well they could ask for "contingent budgets" that weren’t' higher than the regular budgets! What’s the point in voting Yes or No when a budget automatically get’s passed… one in many times is 1% lower or in the case of Schenectady NY last year 15% higher!
"I know you guys enjoy reading my stuff because it all makes sense. "
Dumbest post ever! Thanks for the laugh PO!
These @holes want to be able to raise taxes........? Is there a poster among us that actually would have the balls to defend that one?
anybody? Why there are not pitchforks, and torches marching on Shelly and SEIU headquarters I do not understand.
Carl where are you? But then again how emails , etc etc. are important when people on fixed incomes have their taxes raised for this BS...
New Yorkers,,,,,,you deserve it all!!!!!
Last edited by Save Us; December 28th, 2010 at 07:29 PM.
School budgets are are not "automatically" passed. They are passed by a majority of voters.
Your bitch is with the democratic voting system. What would you replace it with? a state mandated budget authorization?
Not entirely correct, if the budget is not approved a contingent budget goes into effect.
Education Law § 2023
4. a. The contingency budget shall not result in a percentage increase
in total spending over the district's total spending under the school
district budget for the prior school year that exceeds the lesser of:
(i) the result obtained when one hundred twenty percent is multiplied by
the percentage increase in the consumer price index, with the result
rounded to two decimal places; or (ii) four percent.
b. The following types of expenditures shall be disregarded in
determining total spending:
(i) expenditures resulting from a tax certiorari proceeding;
(ii) expenditures resulting from a court order or judgment against the
school district;
(iii) emergency expenditures that are certified by the commissioner as
necessary as a result of damage to, or destruction of, a school building
or school equipment;
(iv) capital expenditures resulting from the construction,
acquisition, reconstruction, rehabilitation or improvement of school
facilities, including debt service and lease expenditures, subject to
the approval of the qualified voters where required by law;
(v) expenditures in the contingency budget attributable to projected
increases in public school enrollment, which, for the purpose of this
subdivision, may include increases attributable to the enrollment of
students attending a pre-kindergarten program established in accordance
with section thirty-six hundred two-e of this chapter, to be computed
based upon an increase in enrollment from the year prior to the base
year for which the budget is being adopted to the base year for which
the budget is being adopted, provided that where the trustees or board
of education have documented evidence that a further increase in
enrollment will occur during the school year for which the contingency
budget is prepared because of new construction, inception of a
pre-kindergarten program, growth or similar factors, the expenditures
attributable to such additional enrollment may also be disregarded; and
(vi) non-recurring expenditures in the prior year's school district
budget.
“We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.” ― Thomas Jefferson
Ill wait for your apology...
"I know you guys enjoy reading my stuff because it all makes sense. "
Dumbest post ever! Thanks for the laugh PO!
Yes, I apologize for your poor education you received in the public schools. You should sue your school district.
A contingency budget comes into play only if the proposed budget IS DEFEATED BY THE VOTERS. In essence, voters have a choice. They can accept the budget proposed by the board, or put into effect a contingency budget. But in the end, it is STILL THE VOTERS' CHOICE!
You just hate that voters have a choice, don't you?
BTW - the Board can, instead of adopting a contingency budget (the terms of which are specified by law) re-submit a revised budget to the voters, who once again get to choose between the revised budget and the contingency budget. Again, it is the VOTERS' CHOICE.
You just hate hearing that term "VOTERS' CHOICE" for some reason.
What you want is for voters to be able to shut down the schools by voting sown a proposed budget. That way all the kids in that school district will grow up as ignorant as you.
Great plan.
SEIU and the Civil Service Employees Association
Obama's biggest supporters. This is how we got the health care bill passed. We need less union power.
The unions were all with Hilary.. When the liberals and the left special interests lost they had nowhere to go. So they jump on Obama's band wagon.. Obama is more center than what people give him credit for. He campaigned on Healthcare.
If you read the posts from years ago (and I am not going to look them up unless you pay me) you would understand that unions would have to contribute more in taxes because the free healthcare they get now would be taxed. In otherwords, if it cost the government or company $6000 it, would be added on their gross wages.
Kiss someone that's different. It helps.
Lets get the facts first, then go for the jugular!!
It's all transparent, just read between the lines..
Or even a rate Freeze would be nice as a compromise between caps or cuts. But it's amazing how they think a 2% increase every year is still somehow considered a "cut" to them.
Both these unions were also big Cuomo supporters.
The real problem I have with the property tax increase is that it only affects local government and has no effect at all on the big problem, the spending at the state level.
This is the same as Mario Junior saying, I want towns, cities and counties to quit spending so much money so I'm going to cap their property taxes at a 2% per year increase. Meanwhile we'll keep doing whatever we damned well please at the state level.
It's pretty much a certainty that the state won't cut their spending and Mario Junior and his buddies are looking for places to round up more money to spend.
Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. Ronald Reagan
Take the contingency budget away and it would then be a democratic choice of the people as an up or down vote would either pass or defeat the budget. But when one budget is defeated and the only consequence is that a similar budget is then adopted there is no real choice.
As long as there are 2 very similar budgets and the public only gets to vote up or down on one there is no real choice or democracy!
**free is a trademark of the current U.S. government.
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