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Thread: Harry Reid: I’m bringing the DREAM Act

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    Harry Reid: I’m bringing the DREAM Act

    Reid Promises DREAM Act Vote in Lame Duck, Win or Lose



    1. The DREAM Act is NOT limited to children, and it will be funded on the backs of hard working, law-abiding Americans.

    2. The DREAM Act PROVIDES SAFE HARBOR FOR ANY ALIEN, including criminals, from being removed or deported if they simply submit an application.

    3. Certain criminal aliens will be eligible for amnesty under the DREAM Act.

    4. Estimates suggest that at least 2.1 million illegal aliens will be eligible for the DREAM Act amnesty. In reality, we have no idea how many illegal aliens will apply.

    5. Illegal aliens will get in-state tuition benefits.

    6. The DREAM Act does not require that an illegal alien finish any type of degree (vocational, two-year, or bachelor’s degree) as a condition of amnesty.

    7. The DREAM Act does not require that an illegal alien serve in the military as a condition for amnesty, and there is already a legal process in place for illegal aliens to obtain U.S. citizenship through military service.

    8. Despite their current illegal status, DREAM Act aliens will be given all the rights that legal immigrants receive — including the legal right to sponsor their parents and extended family members for immigration.

    9. Current illegal aliens will get federal student loans, federal work study programs, and other forms of federal financial aid.

    10. DHS is prohibited from using the information provided by illegal aliens whose DREAM Act amnesty applications are denied to initiate their removal proceedings or investigate or prosecute fraud in the application process.

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    Wonderful! More illegal immigrants from El Salvador like Ingmar Guandique.

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    Interesting, because the actual text of the bill reads, that in order to gain permanent legal status, within 6 years of application:

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    (1) CONTENTS OF PETITION- Each petition for an alien under subsection (c)(1) shall contain information to permit the Secretary of Homeland Security to determine whether each of the following requirements is met:

    (A) The alien has demonstrated good moral character during the entire period the alien has been a conditional permanent resident.

    (B) The alien is in compliance with section 4(a)(1)(C).

    (C) The alien has not abandoned the alien's residence in the United States. The Secretary shall presume that the alien has abandoned such residence if the alien is absent from the United States for more than 365 days, in the aggregate, during the period of conditional residence, unless the alien demonstrates that alien has not abandoned the alien's residence. An alien who is absent from the United States due to active service in the uniformed services has not abandoned the alien's residence in the United States during the period of such service.

    (D) The alien has completed at least 1 of the following:

    (i) The alien has acquired a degree from an institution of higher education in the United States or has completed at least 2 years, in good standing, in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree in the United States.

    (ii) The alien has served in the uniformed services for at least 2 years and, if discharged, has received an honorable discharge.


    So is your chain email (and by extention, you) lying, or just willfully uninformed?

    Again, there is certainly a debate to be had here. But you pretty much lose on default when you lie about your side.
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    (i) The alien has acquired a degree from an institution of higher education in the United States or has completed at least 2 years, in good standing, in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree in the United States.
    With their own money correct? Not our money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    With their own money correct? Not our money.
    Nope. Taxpayer/;subsidized dollars.
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    Does NYS do this now I thought they did? Illegal aliens will get in-state tuition benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it View Post
    Interesting, because the actual text of the bill reads, that in order to gain permanent legal status, within 6 years of application:
    And therein lies the problem.

    Essentially, every alien gets 6 years in country before the Sekretary of Homeland Sekurity can even make a determination.

    Seems ripe for abuse to me.


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    People like Harry Reid are intellectual dingbats!
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    Speaking of dingbats, even though Glen Beck had to correct her on his show, Sarah 'Stepford Wife' Palin, might still think north korea is our ally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DR_GONZO View Post
    Speaking of dingbats, even though Glen Beck had to correct her on his show, Sarah 'Stepford Wife' Palin, might still think north korea is our ally.
    Do you secretly desire Sarah Palin? Just asking. She seems to be on your mind a lot and for no apparent reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenold View Post
    Do you secretly desire Sarah Palin? Just asking. She seems to be on your mind a lot and for no apparent reasons.
    A lot of the common, right-wing dingbats look up to her, and take her nonsense as Gospel. It's important to debunk every stupid syllable she utters.
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.

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    Nah, she not on my mind. Don't think I really post about her that much. I just laughed my behind off when I seen her 'north korea' comment! Actually it was on TV about the same time I was reading your Harry Reid dingbat post, lol Have not heard dingbat used in a long, long time and 'PoW!!!' there she was in all her dingbat glory!!!

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