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    Are the Liberals trying to censure Conservative ideas?

    Isn't it ironic that in the land of the free, the Democrats have got to stifle free speech to hold on to power?

    The same week that an MSNBC survey found 90 percent of journalists contribute to Democrats; and the BBC's own study found it's news to be biased toward left-wing causes, we find that powerful Democrat Senators are trying to build up the votes to bring back the so called "fairness doctrine" a hypocritical law that was exposed and stopped during Ronald Reagan's first term.

    Here is Chris Wallace of FOX digging into the fairness doctrine's revival.

    Oklahoma Senator Inhale says that he overheard Barbara Boxer and Hillary Clinton three years ago complaining about talk radio and saying that there should be a legislative fix. Both of them deny it ever happened.

    But let me ask you about yourself. Do you have a problem with talk radio, and would you consider reviving the fairness doctrine, which would require broadcasters to put on opposing points of view?

    EINSTEIN: Well, in my view, talk radio tends to be one-sided. It also tends to be dwelling in hyperbole. It's explosive. It pushes people to, I think, extreme views without a lot of information.




    I guess Senator Einstein's goal is if you don't like what people think then silence the idea maker. Is this the forerunner of more government censorship?
    How will the average citizen become aware of government corruption? Will we hear it from our government leaders?. Talk radio keeps us informed. whereas the Liberal media will be mostly silent on the problems of the people they support.

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    Lacks, no one has suggested that conservative ideas should be censored (censured, probably...but that's only common sense). What is being suggested is that for every hour Limbaugh has to spew his distortions and half-truths, the same station needs to allow equal time for argument/rebuttal. It's not a squelching of one side, it's an airing of both sides.

    That being said, I'm sitting pretty high on the fence on this one...

    Speaking of which, anyone know if the rules of the 'doctrine' would cover BEN, since they also have 1520? Does it have to be the same station, or just the same company/coverage area?
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    both parties and the media are guilty of politically correctness and bias

    both parties and the media are guilty of politically correctness and bias

    They both have their agendas and their extremes....

    You know what I am continually shocked is that people simply do not understand where the majority of this political correctness, corruption, incompetence, abuse...etc....but lets not forget the most important...the complete ignorance of the voter and the taxpayer for corporate lobbyists.

    Dont know? The answer is redistricting. Redistricting was once done using existing districts as much as possible so every district was diverse and that diversity of the voters meant that every politician won by a slim margin and was accountable to the taxpayer and the voter or they would not get re-elected.

    However, these days redistricting is done in such a way as to give a solid majority to each parties incumbant...a district with majority residents of a particular party or demographic means that the incumbent gets re-elected without difficulty and then becomes more susceptable to the money and campaign donations of corporate lobbyists than voters/taxpayers.

    Reform redistricting and get your government back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    Lacks, no one has suggested that conservative ideas should be censored (censured, probably...but that's only common sense). What is being suggested is that for every hour Limbaugh has to spew his distortions and half-truths, the same station needs to allow equal time for argument/rebuttal. It's not a squelching of one side, it's an airing of both sides.

    That being said, I'm sitting pretty high on the fence on this one...

    Speaking of which, anyone know if the rules of the 'doctrine' would cover BEN, since they also have 1520? Does it have to be the same station, or just the same company/coverage area?

    If so I wish there was some program to counter PBS on Radio and TV.
    Maybe we have a radio program in Mr. Rush Limbaugh and Fox News on TV

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    If the media is as overwhelmingly Liberal as our friends on the Right like to claim, they should welcome the Fairness Doctrine with open arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestSideJohn
    If the media is as overwhelmingly Liberal as our friends on the Right like to claim, they should welcome the Fairness Doctrine with open arms.
    exactly.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestSideJohn
    If the media is as overwhelmingly Liberal as our friends on the Right like to claim, they should welcome the Fairness Doctrine with open arms.
    It is the people on the left who want to use the Fairness Doctrine to muzzle the truth by forcing the radio stations to present the left side with out compensation for the air time these shows will use up. The simple fact is no one wants to sponsor such left thinking shows and that is why these leftist radio shows fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lackawanna
    It is the people on the left who want to use the Fairness Doctrine to muzzle the truth by forcing the radio stations to present the left side with out compensation for the air time these shows will use up.
    Ok, I'll play your game. Give a specific example of someone from the Right who will be muzzled or censored should the Fairness Doctrine be reinstated.

    Or how about if we reverse the players and see if your logic holds up. Do you consider teaching Intelligent Design to be censoring Evolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestSideJohn
    Ok, I'll play your game. Give a specific example of someone from the Right who will be muzzled or censored should the Fairness Doctrine be reinstated.

    Or how about if we reverse the players and see if your logic holds up. Do you consider teaching Intelligent Design to be censoring Evolution?
    None will be muzzled or censured but they will drop out due to the nonsensical lawsuits that will arise because of the doctrine. Causing most programmers to drop all political talk formats, of any position. It will be self censorship, in avoidance of lawsuits and aggravations. It will end AM radio as we know it and cause all political talk to take place on the internet and paid radio and cable. Where there is no such doctrine.
    Fine so be it. See you on internet or cable radio.
    It is also a prejudice doctrine for only targeting radio and not all forms of political media.

    To answer your last question.
    You provide a false comparison.
    One debate is over unencumbered free speech.
    The other is over indoctrination and belief systems.

    Two completely different subject matters all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestSideJohn
    If the media is as overwhelmingly Liberal as our friends on the Right like to claim, they should welcome the Fairness Doctrine with open arms.
    The print/cable/National media are prodominately Liberal. They even give more cash to liberals 9 to 1. The liberal think tanks can not compete on radio.
    No one is buying what the liberal think tanks are selling. They simply can not compete, which is a nastey word in liberaldom. Compete onthe open market of free speech. So they need and require the strong arm of governerment to force views onto the public at the expense of someone else.

    Compete for audiance share and attract followers and the liberals will have their Rush Limbaugh too! But they can't and Air America was the great hope that went down in flames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHardy
    None will be muzzled or censured
    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by LHardy
    You provide a false comparison.
    One debate is over unencumbered free speech.
    The other is over indoctrination and belief systems.
    Two completely different subject matters all together.
    Not at all. Both Intelligent Design and Fairness Doctrine proponents are trying to provide equal time to minority viewpoints in a particular medium. Since Mr. Lackawanna considers the inclusion of a Liberal viewpoint on talk radio as "muzzling" the Conservative voice I'm asking him if the same standard applies to Intelligent Design... does teaching it censor Evolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHardy
    The print/cable/National media are prodominately Liberal. They even give more cash to liberals 9 to 1.
    False. The study you refer to shows that line staff in the media are more likely to support Liberals over Conservatives by your 9 to 1 figure, but the media as a whole does not contribute 9 times as much cash to Liberals as to Conservatives, and Liberals do not outnumber Conservatives 9 to 1. You and that study conveniently leave out management and ownership, which skew Conservative.

    I'm all for a civil discourse with you but if you're going to start your old tricks of telling flat out lies (like your whopper that non-profit Planned Parenthood makes billions of dollars in profit each year from abortions) I'm not interested.

    Compete for audiance share and attract followers and the liberals will have their Rush Limbaugh too! But they can't and Air America was the great hope that went down in flames.
    Talk about a double standard. You whine about the unfairness of "the media" being Liberal 9 to 1, but then say talk radio is overwhelmingly Conservative because Liberals can't compete. Maybe the media is 9 to 1 Liberal because Conservatives can't compete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestSideJohn
    Ok, I'll play your game. Give a specific example of someone from the Right who will be muzzled or censored should the Fairness Doctrine be reinstated.

    Or how about if we reverse the players and see if your logic holds up. Do you consider teaching Intelligent Design to be censoring Evolution?
    We could start with the most popular radio show on the air waves, Rush Limbaugh. That is the major reason the Liberals want the Fairness Doctrine passed. They want Rush off the air The Liberals don't care one bit about fairness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    Lacks, no one has suggested that conservative ideas should be censored (censured, probably...but that's only common sense). What is being suggested is that for every hour Limbaugh has to spew his distortions and half-truths, the same station needs to allow equal time for argument/rebuttal. It's not a squelching of one side, it's an airing of both sides.

    That being said, I'm sitting pretty high on the fence on this one...

    Speaking of which, anyone know if the rules of the 'doctrine' would cover BEN, since they also have 1520? Does it have to be the same station, or just the same company/coverage area?

    This is a slippery slope.

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    WHAT Liberal Censure Of Conservative Ideas? WHERE? WHEN? HOW?!!?

    Let's face it. The sensationalism and pseudo-patriotism "Fox TV" has successfully marketed to its viewers is typical of popular, right-wing media that will play the dirtiest name-calling and "Liberal-bashing" to get the largest audience possible.

    This is a SMALL sampling of Right-wing media maniacs who have shoved the Liberal media aside and dominate the information market(s)

    Rupert Murdoch

    "Fox News" and Roger Ailes

    Sean Hannity, Bill O' Reilly

    Rush, Ann Coulter

    Lowry Mays & Sons and Clear Channel
    Communications

    Right wing maniac, Michael Savage

    Sinclair Broadcasting Corporation:Mark Hyman CEO

    Dr. Laura

    The "Wall Street Journal" editors

    The above entities account for the majority of the American public, ensuring that they cover ALL ethnic groups and races (to reach as big a demographic as possible)

    ALL major national right-wing media empires are "cheerleaders" and "propagandists" for the Bush Administration

    "Fox News" has been called "the government channel" as Vice President Cheney has basically been called the President.

    Let us NOT DENY the truth:

    That the "Vast Liberal Media Conspiracy" whose goal is to supress the Right-wing radio's freedom of speech is just another Republican "smoke & mirrors" tactic-Misdirection from an Orwellian government.

    Liberals make a GREAT scapegoat to blame immorality, socialist and communist values on;An almost vague group of Anti-American subversives intent on destroying the "moral & ethical fabric" of the United States-

    I WISH the Liberal media had a strong voice.
    "Air America" and "Al Franken" don't exactly pose a "threat" to the sanctity of our freedom of expression.

    I'm a "proud Liberal" and I hate to admit it, but Liberals "powerful voice" in the American media and politics?

    Its an almost inaudible SQUEAK.
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