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    What would we rather have?

    What would we rather have?

    A library system or a medicaid system which helps non-NYS residents?

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    Loaded question. What about residents, particularly those who need a temporary helping hand?
    "If you want to know what God thinks of money just look at the people he gave it to."

    By the way, what happened to biker? I miss the old coot.

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    I stated NON-NYS residents. People used to turn to the community and churches in the time of need. It seems our government got a little too easy with our money and everyone seems to feel they are entitled to anything they need.

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    Re: What would we rather have?

    Originally posted by WNYresident
    What would we rather have?

    A library system or a medicaid system which helps non-NYS residents?
    Libraries, of course.

    Point of fact with NYS Medicade, my late mother-in-law worked for the County in their Medicade Office. She told me of a story whereby a woman came to New York State from Georgia needing eye surgery. She landed at the Airport, went to the Post Office and set up a Box Office address. Then she went downtown to the Rath Building and applied for Medicade. Despite the fact the she was in town for less than twenty-four hours, she was allowed to go to ECMC and have her eye surgery, AT OUR EXPENSE!!!.
    After a period of recovery, she promptly headed back to Georgia, presumably launghing all the way at the stupidity of New York State Taxpayers.
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    What does one do normally to qualify for free medical coverage? Just say i'm broke and boom you get everything covered?

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    Originally posted by WNYresident
    What does one do normally to qualify for free medical coverage? Just say i'm broke and boom you get everything covered?
    Broke and no visible means of support?

    Simple.

    Go on Welfare (in New York State its spelled with a Capital "W")

    Its so good and so comprehensive that people come from all over the country to partake of it.

    Trouble is, nobody asked ME if I wanted to foot the bill for all these freeloaders.

    Originally, if a man with a family was out of work, he could get help until he found a new job.

    Nowadays, we have to support anyone that wants to stay at home and do nothing.

    You want to know why your taxes are insane? Here's a hint, it isn't the unions, nor the civil servants, nor the lousy climate, nor anything else that you've been told to date.

    It's the politicians and the freeloaders that demand that we pay for their lifestyles. Lose Welfare and watch our tax rates drop like a stone in a pond.

    Trouble is, although the politicians know what to do to save the State (and all of the counties and cities in it), they refuse to do anything because that would be a sure thing to cost them their jobs. And nobody can run the State as good as THEY do, right?

    Here's a suggestion, change the Welfare Laws by losing all the the amendments that the politicians have added to it through the years.
    * Make Welfare a "helping hand" again, with a reasonable stipend to support families while the breadwinner tries to find a new job.
    * Make Welfare a limited time offer, say one year at a time, with no less than one year before its available again.
    * Make Welfare a less permanent institution, no one should be on the dole for more than five years, let alone generations at a crack.
    * If a girl has an out-of-wedlock kid, allow her welfare while she completes her schooling. If she drops out, her Welfare is cut off. Once she gets a job, Welfare is over for at least one year. Oh, and the kid's father is responsible for his/her support. Not sure who the father is? Supply a list of sex partners and let DNA do the rest. The father will pay for that as well. It's called RESPONSIBILITY, people!
    * Welfare paid for by New York State residents should only be available to New York State residents.
    * Use the money not paid to Welfare to pay off the State's debt load.
    * Any person collecting Welfare found to be living with an employed partner (boy/girlfriend, husband/wife, relative) loses the Welfare immediately.
    * Any person dropped from Welfare for any reason whatsoever, is ineligible for more Welfare for one year from date of dropping.

    These ideas are just off the top of my head, I could come up with a few more given time, but you get the idea.

    But as I said, you'll never see Sam Hoyt backing this legislation!

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    So why would Sam Hoyt feel welfare is good at the extent that we have now?

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    Originally posted by tomac
    ....Here's a suggestion, change the Welfare Laws by losing all the the amendments that the politicians have added to it through the years.
    I could not agree more -- except that we need to be able to get at the state Constitution to do it. If you'l recall, we tried to do just that in 1997 -- but just guess who put hundreds of thousands of dollars into a statewide ad campaign that convinced the voters to vote NO on the constutional convention proposition.
    Here's a hint.

    When will we learn?

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    New York State United Teachers
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    Vote "No" for a Constitution Convention
    September 1997 - No. 97-17

    On November 4, 1997, the question, Shall there be a convention to revise the constitution and amend the same? will be put before the voters of New York State. If the voters say "yes," then 198 convention delegates would be elected on November 3, 1998. The convention would open in Albany in April 1999 and continue until its work is completed. November 2, 1999, is the earliest that proposed constitutional revisions could be submitted to the electorate for ratification.


    Why would the teacher group want to keep us from making productive changes to make NYS competative?

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    Originally posted by WNYresident
    Why would the teacher group want to keep us from making productive changes to make NYS competative?
    Because access to the NYS Constitution by a constitutional convention might actually jeopardize all the protective language that the NYUT, NEA, SEIU, CSEA, and all those other taxpayer-fed acronyms (unions) have worked collectively so long and hard for as the largest and wealthiest lobby in Albany.

    There will be no changes for the better anywhere in NYS until we can get at the constitution.

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    Originally posted by WNYresident
    So why would Sam Hoyt feel welfare is good at the extent that we have now?
    Sam Hoyt has constantly voted as HE wishes, despite the feelings of his constituancy. He seems to have a feeling that he knows better what's good for us than we do. Ironically, what's good for us is usually something to do with the contents of our wallets.

    Favorite Sam Hoyt quote: "I don't care if every person in my district want a casino, I'll will never vote in favor of one because I think that they're (casinos) bad for people."

    Well the casino vote went through despite Hoyt, and guess what? Not every adult person in western New York has a gambling problem.

    Imagine that!

    But anyway, that's the way he thinks. If he decides that some little bimbo gets herself knocked up, then I should pick up her tab. Why doesn't Hoyt do it? Oh yeah, he has the power to make me do it!

    Well I'm sick of it!
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    Originally posted by absolivious
    I could not agree more -- except that we need to be able to get at the state Constitution to do it. If you'l recall, we tried to do just that in 1997 -- but just guess who put hundreds of thousands of dollars into a statewide ad campaign that convinced the voters to vote NO on the constutional convention proposition.
    Here's a hint.

    When will we learn?
    When the State is finally bankrupt and there IS no more money for the giveaways.
    Last one out, please turn off the lights.
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    Originally posted by absolivious
    I could not agree more -- except that we need to be able to get at the state Constitution to do it. If you'l recall, we tried to do just that in 1997 -- but just guess who put hundreds of thousands of dollars into a statewide ad campaign that convinced the voters to vote NO on the constutional convention proposition.
    Here's a hint.

    When will we learn?
    When the state has finally gone bankrupt and there is no more money for the giveaways.
    Trouble is how many more of our kids have to leave before that time comes?
    Last one out of here, please remember to turn off the lights?
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    Originally posted by tomac
    When the State is finally bankrupt and there IS no more money for the giveaways.
    Last one out, please turn off the lights.
    The issue isn't when the State is broke, the issue is when we the taxpayer is broke. Tom B from WBEN made a very good comment. We all can only work for so many years and we would all like to put some form of nest egg away. As a self employeed person who pays taxes, ever increasing property taxes and yes, those state inposed fees on what ever they can bone us on, it's just not worth it.

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    PLus ever notice how unions/politicians make sure thier compenstation is nicely taken care of?

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