Lets put WASTE into perspective...

[FMD]

I posted this in another thread.

I have first hand personal knowledge of these two positions. this is Department of Homeless Security vs New York State Employment

As a STATE worker for NYS, working in a Mental Health Facility, AKA Buffalo Psychiatric Center, for 16 years, on the ward, with patients as an RN, yearly Pay after 16years: $52,000 with the chance to have your face re-arranged on a daily basis. You retire with 70% pay, plus social security, which works out to about $35,000 a year. Medical coverage which you as an employee pay into.. a pension which you also pay into... sick days, vacation days...Overtime? gotta fight for it.

As a DHS Import Specialist - Read Office monkey; Starting pay of $48,000. 8 week training for some importation BS, $62,000 after being on the job TWO years. And heaven forbid they ever have to actually LEAVE their security protected office!

Not sure on the retirement but, complete and total medical coverage for a 'outragous cost' cost of $102 per month (i Quoted)

sick days, personal days, holidays, vacation days....and all the over time you could ever want.

So while alot of you sit here and bitch about the state worker, and how their raping the system, tens of thousands of lowly paid state workers, are, indeed paid much less than the private sector, but the state job offers job security. so go ahead and bitch. Meanwhile, a govt agency such as DHS which is overloaded with office monkeys, is pumping out salaries of over 60K a year plus benefits plus overtime after only 2 years of employment.

[NBuffaloResident]

+ 1,000,000 internets!

[nogods]

Yes...but...public pensions are guaranteed while private pensions are subject to the market.

[300miles]

seems like the retirement bit is kinda glossed over. To begin with, the retirement age could be a decade or more difference. Plus the govt one is guaranteed, like nodogs said. Plus the private one probably doesn't even have a pension anymore... just 401k which is really the employees own money he invested, possibly with some employer match - but that's not a given.

So when the govt employee retires at 50 or 55 with 70% pay guaranteed, the private employee will retire at 68 or 70 with nothing guaranteed. Seems like a big piece to leave out of the equation.

Add to that the job security many govt jobs (and also private union jobs) have compared to the ability of most private companies to fire anyone at whim without reason. Another big difference.

[Bailey]

I posted this in another thread.

I have first hand personal knowledge of these two positions. this is Department of Homeless Security vs New York State Employment

As a STATE worker for NYS, working in a Mental Health Facility, AKA Buffalo Psychiatric Center, for 16 years, on the ward, with patients as an RN, yearly Pay after 16years: $52,000 with the chance to have your face re-arranged on a daily basis. You retire with 70% pay, plus social security, which works out to about $35,000 a year. Medical coverage which you as an employee pay into.. a pension which you also pay into... sick days, vacation days...Overtime? gotta fight for it.

As a DHS Import Specialist - Read Office monkey; Starting pay of $48,000. 8 week training for some importation BS, $62,000 after being on the job TWO years. And heaven forbid they ever have to actually LEAVE their security protected office!

Not sure on the retirement but, complete and total medical coverage for a 'outragous cost' cost of $102 per month (i Quoted)

sick days, personal days, holidays, vacation days....and all the over time you could ever want.

So while alot of you sit here and bitch about the state worker, and how their raping the system, tens of thousands of lowly paid state workers, are, indeed paid much less than the private sector, but the state job offers job security. so go ahead and bitch. Meanwhile, a govt agency such as DHS which is overloaded with office monkeys, is pumping out salaries of over 60K a year plus benefits plus overtime after only 2 years of employment.

Don't you think the irony is rather rich that you get upset when private sector workers gripe about the "cushy" jobs that state workers have, then you turn around and completely denigrate a federal sector worker for the "cushy" job that they have?

[NBuffaloResident]

Don't you think the irony is rather rich that you get upset when private sector workers gripe about the "cushy" jobs that state workers have, then you turn around and completely denigrate a federal sector worker for the "cushy" job that they have?

I gave him the lots of internets because DHS is the epitome of fraud, waste, and abuse. The entire department should be ****canned.

[Linda_D]

Yes...but...public pensions are guaranteed while private pensions are subject to the market.

The Divison of Homeland Security is a federal agency. All federal pensions are guaranteed.

[Linda_D]

I gave him the lots of internets because DHS is the epitome of fraud, waste, and abuse. The entire department should be ****canned.

I don't often agree with FMD but I do on this one. It does NOTHING but "coordinate" the various other federal LEAs like the CIA/FBI/ATF etc (and provide cushy jobs for political appointees in Washington, DC).

[mikenold]

WOW, you mean to tell me that there is class envy even among the public sector workers. Holy cow, you are getting better perks than me, WAAAAAAH! Cry me a river!

Amazing!