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    Buy Yuengling. Screw the teamsters.

    Yuengling Gives Union The Boot

    From Philly.com


    Dick Yuengling Jr., fifth-generation owner of the brewery that bears his name, called his employees together a few weeks before their labor contract was set to expire to talk about the future of the business.

    "Read between the lines," he told them at one point, according to government documents on the management-union feud that followed.

    Depending upon whom you ask, Yuengling's speech was either a pep talk to urge employees to work harder or an ultimatum to dump the Teamsters union, which is what they did.

    The union has been trying to strike back, urging a boycott of the 178-year-old brewery's product. The company says the effort has fallen flat - with "absolutely zero feedback" from the marketplace, according to chief operating officer David Casinelli.

    Now, the Teamsters say they are going to try to get state lawmakers to intervene in what they say has been an unfair fight.

    However faintly, the spat echoes the epic labor battles that took place in this hardscrabble region 75 miles northwest of Philadelphia more than a century ago, when coal miners in Yuengling's hometown unionized and went on strike, demanding better pay and working conditions.

    Union leaders say Dick Yuengling told the workers that he would sell the business or shut it down unless they shed their decades-long affiliation with the Teamsters. How else, they say, to explain the sudden decision to decertify?

    The brewery says employees started a decertification drive on their own with no encouragement or interference from the owner.

    "The company simply honored the employees' wishes," Casinelli said.

    And the National Labor Relations Board sided with the company. It could find no evidence that management pressured employees to leave Philadelphia-based Local 830 of the Teamsters.

    No surprise there, the Teamsters said. Employees were too scared of losing their $20-an-hour jobs to come forward to testify about what was said at the meeting, union leaders said.

    "Pottsville's a very small town, and the Yuengling brewery's the only game in town. So there was great pressure from the people of Pottsville to not say anything," said Daniel Grace, head of Local 830.

    Yuengling, founded in 1829 by Dick Yuengling Jr.'s great-great-grandfather, was a small regional brewery for most of its history. But it grew explosively in the 1990s - driven by the popularity of a lager it introduced in 1987 - and now distributes in 10 states.

    With production of 1.58 million barrels in 2006, Yuengling ranks as the nation's top regional brewer, according to Eric Shepard at Beer Marketer's Insights. Order a lager in the mid-Atlantic region, and chances are the bartender will serve Yuengling.

    Grace said the union had a good relationship with Yuengling until a few years ago, when the labor board awarded back pay to several employees he said were laid off out of seniority. That, he said, prompted Yuengling to convene his workers in early 2006 and give them an ultimatum to get rid of the union.

    The union represented nearly 80 employees in the brewhouse, the bottling shop and the warehouse.

    Grace's account is supported by two people who said they were at the meeting and who spoke with The Associated Press at the request of the union.

    They said that Dick Yuengling Jr. blasted the "guys from Philadelphia" - the Teamsters. They said he also told employees they should "read between the lines" and threatened to close the brewery. The two said they did not want to be identified because they feared retribution.

    "If he doesn't want union people, then I would say union people shouldn't drink his beer," said Patrick Eiding, president of the 150,000-member Philadelphia council of the AFL-CIO.

    When the union took its allegations to the Philadelphia office of the NLRB, Grace said no one would testify against Yuengling.

    Instead, workers told labor board investigators that Yuengling had given them a "pep talk" about the company's future "and the need for employees to work harder," according to Dorothy Moore-Duncan, an NLRB regional director.

    Little appears to have changed at Yuengling since the union got the boot.

    The brewery continues to pay 100 percent of the cost of workers' health insurance, said Casinelli, the Yuengling executive. It also boosted wages by 3 percent last year.

    The Teamsters "are hurting their own membership with this nonsense," he said. "Our brands are a significant source of income for wholesalers all over the state, many of whom are union houses, and I've not had one house throw our brand out."

    Nor has there been much reaction in Pottsville. Yuengling has long helped anchor this gritty town, offering relatively high-paying jobs in an area where such jobs are scarce. Yuengling employs almost 200 people, most of them at the Pottsville brewery and at a second facility nearby.

    At the Brass Tap Tavern a few blocks from the brewery, patrons had mixed feelings about the union's boycott call.

    Don Long, 31, a municipal worker who plans to join a union next month, said he sympathized with Yuengling's workers, many of whom he knows.

    Yuengling's owner "doesn't care for his workers, he just cares about how much money he can make," said Long, who said he would observe the boycott.

    But Barry Sponsler, 49, a software developer, said he would continue drinking Yuengling.

    "This is a pretty tough part of Pennsylvania. There's not a lot of jobs around here and they provide a lot of employment," he said. "If the union gets decertified, it's because they're not adding value."

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    I really could care less about the union struggles of Yuengling. If they made a product that didn't taste like someone dropped a few pennies into some barley water, I'd probably drink it.
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    They'll probably close down anyway...union or not. There may be some layoffs, that's probably why the union got the boot. Because they wanted to lay off *some* people. Either way, it smacks of impending doom for the brewery. Years 1-5 some small attrition and gradually, *bang*, the sound of doors shutting. Usually when a company is hurting for income, dropping 10 employees at $20/hr will save them what?? $420K...c'mon, that's chump change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    I really could care less about the union struggles of Yuengling. If they made a product that didn't taste like someone dropped a few pennies into some barley water, I'd probably drink it.
    Funny, I am drinking a pint can of their Lager (something all US brewers should adopt- the pint) and it's quite good. Their Black & Tan is very good also. Granted, it's no Newcastle, Guinness or Boddington, but for a domestic, it's not bad..... Saranac is better, the stuff at Great Lakes is better, but Yuengling far surpasses any Miller, Coors or Bud product......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas II
    Funny, I am drinking a pint can of their Lager (something all US brewers should adopt- the pint) and it's quite good. Their Black & Tan is very good also. Granted, it's no Newcastle, Guinness or Boddington, but for a domestic, it's not bad..... Saranac is better, the stuff at Great Lakes is better, but Yuengling far surpasses any Miller, Coors or Bud product......
    Written like a true Nicholas II post

    You'd like Sam Smith's Nut Brown Ale. $8.00 a bottle at "upscale" bars, but worth every penny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas II
    Funny, I am drinking a pint can of their Lager (something all US brewers should adopt- the pint) and it's quite good. Their Black & Tan is very good also. Granted, it's no Newcastle, Guinness or Boddington, but for a domestic, it's not bad..... Saranac is better, the stuff at Great Lakes is better, but Yuengling far surpasses any Miller, Coors or Bud product......
    Everything being relative. you're correct with that one. But heck, just go to Willie Farms and get the Flying Bison Amber...ten times better than anything Yuengling has put out. But yes, the pint needs to make a comeback...and not just in expensive pubs.

    Oh, and Sam Smith's is a great place to start, but I'll take their Oatmeal Stout over the Nut Brown any day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    Everything being relative. you're correct with that one. But heck, just go to Willie Farms and get the Flying Bison Amber...ten times better than anything Yuengling has put out. But yes, the pint needs to make a comeback...and not just in expensive pubs.

    Oh, and Sam Smith's is a great place to start, but I'll take their Oatmeal Stout over the Nut Brown any day!
    I have to say that I almost Sh#t myself when I saw Wilson Farms put in their Import case...I just wish they'd have more of it on ice as I never buy warm beer anymore...but I remember the days of my youth where you couldn't get any good import without having to really hunt for it. Flying Bison isn't bad actually, and I think that I have hoisted some pints of their Scotch Ale at Papa Jakes...but I think it somewhat expensive in the bottle for something made locally.....I still am a cheapskate at heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    Everything being relative. you're correct with that one. But heck, just go to Willie Farms and get the Flying Bison Amber...ten times better than anything Yuengling has put out. But yes, the pint needs to make a comeback...and not just in expensive pubs.

    Oh, and Sam Smith's is a great place to start, but I'll take their Oatmeal Stout over the Nut Brown any day!
    Flying Bison makes excellent beer- very pleased to see it distributed in bottles. A bit pricey yes, but considering what such dull beers as Sam Adam's Summer Wheat commands- back when they did it Bavarian style it was superb; now it tastes like Wonder Bread- it's not that bad a price.
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    I love that this thread is under 'Morning Breakfast' Mmmmm...beer 'n Cheerios....
    But your being a dick
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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    I love that this thread is under 'Morning Breakfast' Mmmmm...beer 'n Cheerios....
    My kind of breakfast. I had a pint of Bodingtons in Pittsburgh last week Fan tastic. Where can one aquire some here in the Reich ?

    Oh and three fingers of Jamison in the coffee Yum Yum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoodsp466
    My kind of breakfast. I had a pint of Bodingtons in Pittsburgh last week Fan tastic. Where can one aquire some here in the Reich ?

    Oh and three fingers of Jamison in the coffee Yum Yum.
    I'm pretty sure you can get Boddingtons at Mr. Goodbar and/or Coles on Elmwood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoobie
    They'll probably close down anyway...union or not. There may be some layoffs, that's probably why the union got the boot. Because they wanted to lay off *some* people. Either way, it smacks of impending doom for the brewery. Years 1-5 some small attrition and gradually, *bang*, the sound of doors shutting. Usually when a company is hurting for income, dropping 10 employees at $20/hr will save them what?? $420K...c'mon, that's chump change.

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    You need to do your math over again.

    Typical work year in hrs = 2,080.

    2080 * 20.00 = 41,600 + 3182.82 (Employers part of FICA, SS) = 44,782.82 per employee.

    This does not include the health insurance, disability, workman's comp, retirement( or 401-k) plan, or other benefits provided o them. YThe poster said nothing had changed - so assuming they get ame benefits. Or overtie.

    Coes to a lot more thn 420,000 for 10 employees.

    Micheal

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    Quote Originally Posted by run4it
    I'm pretty sure you can get Boddingtons at Mr. Goodbar and/or Coles on Elmwood.
    Thanks Mate,I am doing brunch at Coles this Sunday will check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micheal Joseph
    You need to do your math over again.

    Typical work year in hrs = 2,080.

    2080 * 20.00 = 41,600 + 3182.82 (Employers part of FICA, SS) = 44,782.82 per employee.

    This does not include the health insurance, disability, workman's comp, retirement( or 401-k) plan, or other benefits provided o them. YThe poster said nothing had changed - so assuming they get ame benefits. Or overtie.

    Coes to a lot more thn 420,000 for 10 employees.

    Micheal
    okay, salary alone, by your math is 447,828.20. Add another 200K for bennies (although it's probably not that high). Most non-managerial don't get 401k. Either way, 650K in one year, *that's* going to make or break this company? If that's the case, I'd recommend every shareholder to dump their stock...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoobie
    okay, salary alone, by your math is 447,828.20. Add another 200K for bennies (although it's probably not that high). Most non-managerial don't get 401k. Either way, 650K in one year, *that's* going to make or break this company? If that's the case, I'd recommend every shareholder to dump their stock...

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    You forgot something. The article stated that nothing changed. The union would have sometype of retirement account for their employees. The company must maintain it. Therefore added exxpenses.

    PS - That is still a ot of money for a company with a couple of hundred employees. They could blow that money back into the business to make it even better.

    Micheal

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