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    This Is Perplexing: Emergency services barred from entry at Buffalo- Lancaster Region

    I respect the ongoing investigation and eagerly await its findings, but does anyone have an informed insight into why such a situation may have occurred?



    Emergency services barred from entry at Buffalo- Lancaster Regional Airport after plane accident

    May 19, 2022

    by JAMES SINNER Editor

    The gated perimeter at the Buffalo-Lancaster Airport on Walden Avenue in the Town of Lancaster. photo by James Sinner

    A runway accident at the Buffalo-Lancaster Regional Airport on Walden Avenue caused concern from members of the Lancaster Town Board this Saturday, with emergency services being barred from entry upon being notified of the overturned plane.

    “This is completely unacceptable. We will have to check with our attorneys to see what the agreement is with them,” said Town of Lancaster Trustee Robert Leary discussing the incident. He floated the idea that any special use permits issued could be used as motivation for the airport to exercise cooperation and transparency with local emergency services. He believes medical professionals should be allowed to be on-site during these situations, and equally, that law enforcement should be permitted to investigate the circumstances surrounding any crash or accident.

    Supervisor Ron Ruffino communicated his thoughts on the matter. “ The Lancaster Town Board is aware of the aircraft incident that was reported today at the Buffalo Lancaster Airport,” he said. “We are aware that the FAA is investigating, and the board will follow up with the FAA and management from the airport.”

    A picture of the runway at the Buffalo-Lancaster Airport where a small plane sits overturned off to the right after an accident on Saturday.

    Both Leary and Ruffino would like to know how many other accidents have happened recently at the airport, and the protocol surrounding those incidents after they occur.

    Erie County Legislator Frank Todaro has put in an official request to the FAA for more information on the airport’s history of any accidents. “Any open cases, any closed cases, within the last three years,” he said.

    The topic was briefly addressed at the Town of Lancaster’s board meeting workshop on Monday, May 16. There, the board decided that any further will be made after the FAA’s investigation.
    Reference: https://www.lancasterbee.com/article...lane-accident/
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    Perplexing indeed. I hope Councilmember Leary follows up on the findings of the FAA report to ensure not only the accident is investigated but what authority and what agreement allowed the Lancaster Airport to disallow emergency services on the property when an accident occurs.

    This is not the first time the gates were locked and where individuals with authority were not allowed entry.

    I am surprised this private-public airport is still in existence. It was supposed to have become a reliever airport, open always to accommodate overflow BNA traffic and service emergencies. Yet the runway was observed not cleared of snow in the winter.

    The Lancaster Airport had received state and federal funding to make that happen and three very questionable Lancaster IDA’s. Is it a reliever airport? Is there a record of that?

    It was also zoned a non-conforming use requiring a special use permit. What is the status of that?

    It will be interesting to hear what the FAA ruling is on the airport’s refusal to allow emergency response at the time of an accident. And, to learn what the town’s reaction will be if not satisfied with the FAA findings.

    Public safety is the town’s number one priority, and it is denied access to the scene of an accident? Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    Perplexing indeed. I hope Councilmember Leary follows up on the findings of the FAA report to ensure not only the accident is investigated but what authority and what agreement allowed the Lancaster Airport to disallow emergency services on the property when an accident occurs.

    This is not the first time the gates were locked and where individuals with authority were not allowed entry...


    Public safety is the town’s number one priority, and it is denied access to the scene of an accident? Seriously?
    At this point in time, this situation makes absolutely no sense to me, but what do I know?

    With that said, assuming that the Lancaster Airport was within its rights to prevent entry to the first responders, what specific privilege does the Lancaster Airport purportedly hold, which supersedes the emergency personnel's exigent need to react to a public safety threat?


    Exigent circumstance...

    the principle established by the courts that the fire department has the legal authority to enter a property to extinguish a fire and determine the origin and cause of the fire (an act that is considered to be a protection of the public welfare).
    Reference: https://www.interfire.org/termofthew...blic%20welfare
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    This was posted Saturday after I got home from work.

    This poster commented 7 minutes after the original post.


    Since, the killings were on the same day. There was' not much other news.
    I had checked the Sunday paper and nothing. Then I forgot about it until I saw it in the Bee.

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    Robert Leary ...believes medical professionals should be allowed to be on-site during these situations, and equally, that law enforcement should be permitted to investigate the circumstances surrounding any crash or accident...

    Both Leary and Ruffino would like to know how many other accidents have happened recently at the airport, and the protocol surrounding those incidents after they occur.

    Erie County Legislator Frank Todaro has put in an official request to the FAA for more information on the airport’s history of any accidents. “Any open cases, any closed cases, within the last three years,” he said.
    As I understand the news story, it would seem that Leary is forward-looking regarding future emergency medical interventions, and equally important, he appears to advocate for a law enforcement investigation into the May 14, 2022, and a similar protocol for any future accidents.

    Legislator Todaro, while also interested in history, has asked the FAA to immediately provide information on "any open cases," which presumably includes the May 14, 2022 accident.

    Based on the news story, does it not appear that the Supervisor seems to favor an exclusive reliance on an FAA investigation, to which he will defer his complete reaction?

    Am I to understand that the Supervisor has confined his query to the history of previous incidents and how those circumstances were handled?

    A big difference, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post
    This was posted Saturday after I got home from work.

    This poster commented 7 minutes after the original post.


    Since, the killings were on the same day. There was' not much other news.
    I had checked the Sunday paper and nothing. Then I forgot about it until I saw it in the Bee.
    Thanks for posting this Gorja.

    To be sure, Saturday, May 14, 2022 was a day of tragedy, crisis, and confusion in the Buffalo area.

    In reviewing The Bee story, as well as the apparent Southtowns Scanner's FB posting, I simply can not determine the time of the incident and if the plane crash/accident occurred on take-off or landing. I think that such is important information for the public to have.

    Also unanswered:

    (1) If the accident occurred on take-off, to where was the plane destined?

    (2) If the accident occurred on landing, where did the plane arrive from?

    (3) Was a flight planned filed at the Lancaster Airport or if applicable, the airport of departure?

    (4) Were there any passengers on board?

    (5) Was there any cargo on board the plane?

    (6) Other than the "private" property representation, was there another factor which compelled the first responders to compliantly withdraw?

    (7) Did the first responders significantly challenge the airport authority(s) before they withdrew?

    (8) Where any injuries or fatalities sustained by the pilot, the ground crew, and any possible passengers?


    Any insights into those questions?
    Last edited by mark blazejewski; May 20th, 2022 at 09:45 AM.
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    This flight looks like it took off from BLA and Landed at BLA 3 minutes later
    https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...825Z/KBQR/KBQR

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post
    This flight looks like it took off from BLA and Landed at BLA 3 minutes later
    https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...825Z/KBQR/KBQR
    When you write "This flight," are you representing that it was the flight that crashed on May 14, 2022?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post
    When you write "This flight," are you representing that it was the flight that crashed on May 14, 2022?
    Oh no. It was a flight that only lasted 3 minutes which departed and arrived at BLA. I thought with those circumstances, it might be the one in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post
    Oh no. It was a flight that only lasted 3 minutes which departed and arrived at BLA. I thought with those circumstances, it might be the one in question.
    Is there any record of flights on May 14, 2022 subsequent to the one your link concerned?
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    Just found it on the FAA site. It was that plane.
    Aircraft lost control on departure and flipped over.
    That particular plane os owned by a flight school located at BLA.
    IDENTIFICATION
    Date: 14-MAY-22
    Time: 18:10:00Z
    Regis#: N20459
    Aircraft Make: CESSNA
    Aircraft Model: 172
    Event Type: ACCIDENT
    Highest Injury: NONE
    Aircraft Missing: No
    Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
    LOCATION
    City: LANCASTER
    State: NEW YORK
    Country: UNITED STATES
    DESCRIPTION
    Description: AIRCRAFT LOST CONTROL ON DEPARTURE AND FLIPPED OVER, LANCASTER, NY.
    INJURY DATA
    Total Fatal: 0
    Fatal Serious Minor None Unknown
    Flight Crew 0 0 0 1 0
    Cabin Crew 0 0 0 0 0
    Passenger 0 0 0 1 0
    Ground 0 0 0 0 0
    OTHER
    Activity: PERSONAL
    Flight Phase: TAKEOFF (TOF)
    Operation: 91
    Aircraft Operator:
    Flight Number:
    FAA FSDO: ROCHESTER FSDO
    Entry Date: 16-MAY-22
    Updated since entry: No


    https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=1...-MAY-22,CESSNA

    It's the second one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post
    Just found it on the FAA site. It was that plane.
    Aircraft lost control on departure and flipped over.
    That particular plane os owned by a flight school located at BLA.
    IDENTIFICATION
    Date: 14-MAY-22
    Time: 18:10:00Z
    Regis#: N20459
    Aircraft Make: CESSNA
    Aircraft Model: 172
    Event Type: ACCIDENT
    Highest Injury: NONE
    Aircraft Missing: No
    Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
    LOCATION
    City: LANCASTER
    State: NEW YORK
    Country: UNITED STATES
    DESCRIPTION
    Description: AIRCRAFT LOST CONTROL ON DEPARTURE AND FLIPPED OVER, LANCASTER, NY.
    INJURY DATA
    Total Fatal: 0
    Fatal Serious Minor None Unknown
    Flight Crew 0 0 0 1 0
    Cabin Crew 0 0 0 0 0
    Passenger 0 0 0 1 0
    Ground 0 0 0 0 0
    OTHER
    Activity: PERSONAL
    Flight Phase: TAKEOFF (TOF)
    Operation: 91
    Aircraft Operator:
    Flight Number:
    FAA FSDO: ROCHESTER FSDO
    Entry Date: 16-MAY-22
    Updated since entry: No


    https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=1...-MAY-22,CESSNA

    It's the second one.
    Thank you Gorja!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post
    Is there any record of flights on May 14, 2022 subsequent to the one your link concerned?
    Yes, there were 2 more flights that landed after that particular plane that day. One at 3:55p and one at 3:53p

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post
    Yes, there were 2 more flights that landed after that particular plane that day. One at 3:55p and one at 3:53p
    This is all so very disturbing.

    Thank you again Gorja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post
    Yes, there were 2 more flights that landed after that particular plane that day. One at 3:55p and one at 3:53p
    Wow, some may say "Kudos to the ground crew," for making the airport operational in an incredible 1 hour and 55 minutes.
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