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    honoring Indian treaties

    This makes me mad to the point where it sounds like a threat to the Seneca Nation.

    Let one of them stand on top of a police car in my administration, it would be the last time they stood on top of a police car."
    http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article178340.ece

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    lets get back to basic - identify the alleged treaty and the specific language that prohibits NYS from imposing a tax collection obligation on tobacco wholesalers, including those who sell tobacco products to the Indians.

    And be careful, you have to identify a treaty that was not already the subject of a court decision holding that it not prohibit NYS from imposing a tax collection obligation on tobacco wholesalers who sell tobacco products to the Indians.

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    Except the fact it was Paladino quoted in the news, honoring Native American treaties was the reason for this post. The sovereign nations have had to fight this war created by New York governors for a long time who continue to attempt taxation on the Indians. The treaty begins

    Article 1. Peace and friendship are hereby firmly established, and shall be perpetual, between the United States and the Six Nations.
    Paladino's quote in the Buffalo news doesn't sound peaceful or friendly to me or to the people of the Seneca Nation coming from a guy seeking to be governor. He sound like a thug in the news article and all the links you posted were of the Indian nations trying to uphold treaties made with American since America took so much away from the people. On this, Yes I Am Serious.

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    I don't care if it was Paladino who made the threat, the treaty says:

    Article 4. The United States having thus described and acknowledged that lands belong to the Oneidas, Onondagas, Cayugas, and Senecas, and engaged never to claim the same, nor to disturb them, or any of the Six Nations, or their Indian friends residing thereon, and united with them, in the free use and enjoyment thereof; now, the Six Nations, and each of them, hereby engage that they will never claim any other lands within the boundaries of the United States, nor ever disturb the people of the United States in the free use and enjoyment thereof.

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    And what Snyder said isn't insinuating violence? To me, that sounded more "eye for an eye" than anything else.

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    What was Snyder's reply in response to? Answer: Illegal Taxation by the people of New York against the Seneca Nation.

    Paladino, whose Ellicott Development Co. owns the Giacomo, a boutique hotel in Niagara Falls, said he would try to take away the Senecas' land grant in the city.
    A week before the primary elections and he's waging war against the Seneca Nation that won in the Fourth Department of the State Appellate Division today.

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    Your initial post:

    This makes me mad to the point where it sounds like a threat to the Seneca Nation.
    You then say:

    What was Snyder's reply in response to? Answer: Illegal Taxation by the people of New York against the Seneca Nation.
    So it's OK for one side to make a "threat" but not OK for the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafeWNY View Post
    So it's OK for one side to make a "threat" but not OK for the other?
    His response was towards New York governors who continues to threaten their sovereign nations first. Even after a high court in the state rules in favor of the Senecas this Paladino guy makes a threatening remark that makes it to the news.

    Let one of them stand on top of a police car in my administration, it would be the last time they stood on top of a police car."
    What would a candidate for governor do to a Seneca Indian? Paladino said it would be "the last time". He's willing to disobey treaties with the Natives, threaten the Senecas while campaigning for governor, and try to take land grants in Niagara Fall away from a tribal nation that had so much more taken from them by governors of new York?
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    Don't get me wrong - I don't think it is right for the state to try and collect tax in this issue.

    Having said that - would residents of Gowanda or Silver Creek shut down the T-way, burn tires, and attack the res marshall? Doubtful.

    How is Paladino's statement a threat, yet Snyder's all but call to arms is not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafeWNY View Post
    How is Paladino's statement a threat, yet Snyder's all but call to arms is not?
    he is a candidate for governor ignoring the treaty that says Peace and friendship between the United States and the Six Nations. He is a hothead candidate saying stepping on a police car while they are protecting their own would be the last time the Senecas would do that. What would Paladino do to a tribal member if they are forced by the new York government to protect their rights as a sovereign nation? He threatened the Seneca Nation after the court of Appeals rules to support the treaties of their nation, our nation, as one America. Snyder protects his people like you would protect your own home from intruders that are out to steal everything you have worked your whole life to earn.

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    There is not one thing in those treaties that grants an exemption from taxation to non-Indins. In light of the prior history of the Senecas condoning violence against the State and others and their "call to arms" by a few of their current leadership who has a pecuniary interest in maintaining the retailers current profit margins. I think Paladino's comments are appropriate.

    Be clear they are not protecting the Seneca's treaties they are protecting their profit margins. This is an inherent conflict of interest for them and may very well lead the Senecas down a path that is not in the best interest of the average Seneca member.
    “We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.” ― Thomas Jefferson

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    OK I really hate to bring this up but, I think it has a valid point to be made... all you conspiracy doubters out there will sink your teeth into this one... glad i am ignoring Fishy..

    If the conspiracy theorists are correct about a one world government and the first step is to unify the North American region in what is called the North American Union. Alot of talk about opening the Mexican borders are steeped in this retoric, so how, if we have our own soveriegn nations internally, can we thoroughly adopt into society a union or all 3 Nations in North America?

    Go ahead i have my throat barred...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtwarren View Post
    I think Paladino's comments are appropriate.
    I disagree his comment wasn't about peace and friendship with the Seneca Nation. As a candidate for governor or anyone running an election should have that as the first rule of respect for the tribal communities.

    this was his whole quote
    "If the law says the Senecas should be collecting and paying sales tax, they should be collecting and paying sales tax. The fact that the past three governors have neglected to go up and enforce the law because they're afraid of somebody standing on top of a police car or they're afraid of somebody burning some tires in the street, that's not me. Let one of them stand on top of a police car in my administration, it would be the last time they stood on top of a police car."
    In reality the law has sided with the Indians through the court system, even as of yesterday "the law" says the Senecas don't have to collect taxes of non-native Americans. Past governors have attempted to enforce collection of taxes and past governors have lost in the judicial system of our American government. This is why I feel Paladino sounded like a thug in the paper because the court of appeals supported the rights of the Senecas and Paladino attacked the Indians anyways.

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    If you say "I'm going to punch you in the mouth," and I say back "if you do it will be the last time you do it." Who is making the threat? Get serious already.

    Paladino, whether you agree with him or not, is at least consistent. He believes he can tax non-indian sales and he wants to end the land rights compact in Niagara Falls.

    Your article on "Peace and Friendship," speaks not to the issue of soverignty or taxes.


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