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    Double Standard?

    Could this be another cover up or a perk of being on Hoyt's friends and family plan?

    http://timesunion.com/AspStories/sto...date=5/14/2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulJonson
    Could this be another cover up or a perk of being on Hoyt's friends and family plan?

    http://timesunion.com/AspStories/sto...date=5/14/2007
    It's amazing that this kid has gone from being an intern to a $41,600 job all because Hoyt knows his parents. And wasn't this Wadsworth kids' mom the campaign manager for Laura Monte last year..... getting paid handsomly? Must be nice to be in the Hoyt Friends and Family plan.

    This reeks of patronage and taxpayer abuse!

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    Would that of been a civil service type position?

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    Did anyone actually take a look at his experience and education to see if he is qualified before they started bitching about it?
    But your being a dick
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    This smacks of patronage

    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident
    Would that of been a civil service type position?
    Dont believe it is a civil service position, I think it is an appointed position.

    Since, 2003, Anne Wadsworth has donated to the Citizens for Sam Hoyt account 7 times, totaling $670. Sam Hoyt paid her back during last year's campaign cycle by recommending her as Laura Monte's campaign chair, which paid Wadsworth $8600. Monte took Wadsworth on board in return for the Democratic Assembly Campaign Committee's (DACC), which Hoyt is the WNY Regional Director of, hundreds of thousands of dollars in support of Ms. Monte's campaign.

    Since Monte didn't win, Hoyt was able to talk the Governor into giving Monte the plum Governor rep job for Western New York and he then took Wadsworth's son on as a paid intern. Hoyt then violated Assembly Intern rules, by hiring William Wadsworth, at $41,600 per year, midsession.

    So the morale of the story is, donated $670 to Hoyt and you will get a high paying job for you and your child!

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    Intern policy sparks dust-up
    GOP critic points to hiring as evidence of double standard in Assembly

    By JAMES M. ODATO, Capitol bureau
    Monday, May 14, 2007

    ALBANY -- Assembly Republicans suspect Democrats who control the chamber are applying a double standard on how they deal with members who fraternize with interns.

    Democrats say the Republican allegations are "a stretch."

    The questions arise in the wake of a probe and sanctions against Republican Assemblyman Michael Cole of Alden, who was was publicly reprimanded and stripped of his ranking minority member title and $9,000 stipend after a unanimous recommendation from the bipartisan ethics committee. Democratic Speaker Sheldon Silver implemented the recommendations.

    Cole was censured for fraternizing with a 21-year-old female intern at an Albany sports bar and spending the night at her Albany apartment to sleep off his heavy drinking. The young woman was fired, said Intern Committee Chairman Ronald Canestrari.

    Unscathed was Assemblyman Sam Hoyt, D-Buffalo, who arranged the April 16 outing that drew Cole and the woman to Legends to root for the Buffalo Sabres in a playoff game. Hoyt, along with other Assembly members, attended the gathering. So did Hoyt's former intern, William B. Wadsworth.

    Wadsworth had became Hoyt's committee clerk on March 22, payroll records show, making $1,600 every two weeks. He'd been an intern since Jan. 2, making $450 every two weeks.

    William Sherman, chief of staff for Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco, R-Schenectady, said Assembly Republicans have been told they cannot hire their interns when their internship ends, at least not until after the legislative session is over. At most, he said, those interns can be kept on as paid interns, subject to the anti-fraternization rules.

    Hoyt, he said, got a break -- and got around the rules -- in being able to hire an intern midsession.

    "It appears there's a potential for a coverup here," Sherman said.

    Assembly employee rules say interns retain the title of intern for the remainder of the session "if employment is extended beyond the semester" -- typically the end of April or early May, said Silver spokeswoman Sisa Moyo.

    The anti-fraternization policy, begun in 2004, adds that Assembly "employees" and interns who have prior existing relationships before the internship began are exempt from the policy. The exemption doesn't include Assembly "members."

    But Wadsworth, Moyo said, was a different case, because he left the intern program before finishing it. That allowed him to be hired and no longer treated as an intern.

    Hoyt said he he has known Wadsworth, 22, and his parents for years and treats him like a nephew. He said he specifically asked Silver for the ability to hire Wadsworth after Silver appointed him chairman of the Local Governments Committee.

    Canestrari said the complaints by Republicans "are a stretch" and called them "nonsense."

    "If they have the resources, they can hire who they want to hire," he said.

    Sherman doesn't see it that way.

    "We're concerned about this in that I was told personally by the counsel for the speaker that an intern may not be hired for anything other than being an intern during the session," Sherman said. He noted that Wadsworth's pay, worth $41,600 on an annual basis, is more than associate counsels in the minority are paid.

    Canestrari pointed out that an intern for the minority's central staff was allowed to be promoted to an employee last year midsession. But Sherman said that since the rules took effect in 2004, no intern working directly for an Assembly minority member has been allowed a promotion after the internship ended during session, despite requests.

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    Unscathed was Assemblyman Sam Hoyt, D-Buffalo, who arranged the April 16 outing that drew Cole and the woman to Legends to root for the Buffalo Sabres in a playoff game. Hoyt, along with other Assembly members, attended the gathering. So did Hoyt's former intern, William B. Wadsworth.

    Wadsworth had became Hoyt's committee clerk on March 22, payroll records show, making $1,600 every two weeks. He'd been an intern since Jan. 2, making $450 every two weeks.

    William Sherman, chief of staff for Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco, R-Schenectady, said Assembly Republicans have been told they cannot hire their interns when their internship ends, at least not until after the legislative session is over. At most, he said, those interns can be kept on as paid interns, subject to the anti-fraternization rules.

    Hoyt, he said, got a break -- and got around the rules -- in being able to hire an intern midsession.

    "It appears there's a potential for a coverup here," Sherman said.


    There are standards and rules and it APPEARS they may have been violated.

    Here's a question I'd like answered:

    Cole was censured for fraternizing with a 21-year-old female intern at an Albany sports bar and spending the night at her Albany apartment to sleep off his heavy drinking. The young woman was fired, said Intern Committee Chairman Ronald Canestrari.

    Cole broke the rules. He fraternized with an intern. Why was the Intern fired? Is that in the rules.

    If so...

    Why are the penalties for Assemblymen censure, fines, and loss of rank, while the penalties for Interns firing?

    Wouldn't it be fairer if the Assemblyman was fired too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshowell
    Intern policy sparks dust-up
    GOP critic points to hiring as evidence of double standard in Assembly

    By JAMES M. ODATO, Capitol bureau
    Monday, May 14, 2007

    ALBANY -- Assembly Republicans suspect Democrats who control the chamber are applying a double standard on how they deal with members who fraternize with interns.

    Democrats say the Republican allegations are "a stretch."

    The questions arise in the wake of a probe and sanctions against Republican Assemblyman Michael Cole of Alden, who was was publicly reprimanded and stripped of his ranking minority member title and $9,000 stipend after a unanimous recommendation from the bipartisan ethics committee. Democratic Speaker Sheldon Silver implemented the recommendations.

    Cole was censured for fraternizing with a 21-year-old female intern at an Albany sports bar and spending the night at her Albany apartment to sleep off his heavy drinking. The young woman was fired, said Intern Committee Chairman Ronald Canestrari.

    Unscathed was Assemblyman Sam Hoyt, D-Buffalo, who arranged the April 16 outing that drew Cole and the woman to Legends to root for the Buffalo Sabres in a playoff game. Hoyt, along with other Assembly members, attended the gathering. So did Hoyt's former intern, William B. Wadsworth.

    Wadsworth had became Hoyt's committee clerk on March 22, payroll records show, making $1,600 every two weeks. He'd been an intern since Jan. 2, making $450 every two weeks.

    William Sherman, chief of staff for Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco, R-Schenectady, said Assembly Republicans have been told they cannot hire their interns when their internship ends, at least not until after the legislative session is over. At most, he said, those interns can be kept on as paid interns, subject to the anti-fraternization rules.

    Hoyt, he said, got a break -- and got around the rules -- in being able to hire an intern midsession.

    "It appears there's a potential for a coverup here," Sherman said.

    Assembly employee rules say interns retain the title of intern for the remainder of the session "if employment is extended beyond the semester" -- typically the end of April or early May, said Silver spokeswoman Sisa Moyo.

    The anti-fraternization policy, begun in 2004, adds that Assembly "employees" and interns who have prior existing relationships before the internship began are exempt from the policy. The exemption doesn't include Assembly "members."

    But Wadsworth, Moyo said, was a different case, because he left the intern program before finishing it. That allowed him to be hired and no longer treated as an intern.

    Hoyt said he he has known Wadsworth, 22, and his parents for years and treats him like a nephew. He said he specifically asked Silver for the ability to hire Wadsworth after Silver appointed him chairman of the Local Governments Committee.

    Canestrari said the complaints by Republicans "are a stretch" and called them "nonsense."

    "If they have the resources, they can hire who they want to hire," he said.

    Sherman doesn't see it that way.

    "We're concerned about this in that I was told personally by the counsel for the speaker that an intern may not be hired for anything other than being an intern during the session," Sherman said. He noted that Wadsworth's pay, worth $41,600 on an annual basis, is more than associate counsels in the minority are paid.

    Canestrari pointed out that an intern for the minority's central staff was allowed to be promoted to an employee last year midsession. But Sherman said that since the rules took effect in 2004, no intern working directly for an Assembly minority member has been allowed a promotion after the internship ended during session, despite requests.

    ____________________________

    Unscathed was Assemblyman Sam Hoyt, D-Buffalo, who arranged the April 16 outing that drew Cole and the woman to Legends to root for the Buffalo Sabres in a playoff game. Hoyt, along with other Assembly members, attended the gathering. So did Hoyt's former intern, William B. Wadsworth.

    Wadsworth had became Hoyt's committee clerk on March 22, payroll records show, making $1,600 every two weeks. He'd been an intern since Jan. 2, making $450 every two weeks.

    William Sherman, chief of staff for Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco, R-Schenectady, said Assembly Republicans have been told they cannot hire their interns when their internship ends, at least not until after the legislative session is over. At most, he said, those interns can be kept on as paid interns, subject to the anti-fraternization rules.

    Hoyt, he said, got a break -- and got around the rules -- in being able to hire an intern midsession.

    "It appears there's a potential for a coverup here," Sherman said.


    There are standards and rules and it APPEARS they may have been violated.

    Here's a question I'd like answered:

    Cole was censured for fraternizing with a 21-year-old female intern at an Albany sports bar and spending the night at her Albany apartment to sleep off his heavy drinking. The young woman was fired, said Intern Committee Chairman Ronald Canestrari.

    Cole broke the rules. He fraternized with an intern. Why was the Intern fired? Is that in the rules.

    If so...

    Why are the penalties for Assemblymen censure, fines, and loss of rank, while the penalties for Interns firing?

    Wouldn't it be fairer if the Assemblyman was fired too?


    YES!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshowell
    Why was the Intern fired? Is that in the rules.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by gshowell
    Why are the penalties for Assemblymen censure, fines, and loss of rank, while the penalties for Interns firing?
    Those are the rules.

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    rules they apparently made for their benefit

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabapples
    Dont believe it is a civil service position, I think it is an appointed position.

    Since, 2003, Anne Wadsworth has donated to the Citizens for Sam Hoyt account 7 times, totaling $670. Sam Hoyt paid her back during last year's campaign cycle by recommending her as Laura Monte's campaign chair, which paid Wadsworth $8600. Monte took Wadsworth on board in return for the Democratic Assembly Campaign Committee's (DACC), which Hoyt is the WNY Regional Director of, hundreds of thousands of dollars in support of Ms. Monte's campaign.

    Since Monte didn't win, Hoyt was able to talk the Governor into giving Monte the plum Governor rep job for Western New York and he then took Wadsworth's son on as a paid intern. Hoyt then violated Assembly Intern rules, by hiring William Wadsworth, at $41,600 per year, midsession.

    So the morale of the story is, donated $670 to Hoyt and you will get a high paying job for you and your child!

    question: How is $8,600 a high paying job? I mean if that is considered a high paying job, I should be rolling in dough about now. Even 41,600 is tough to live on these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoName
    question: How is $8,600 a high paying job? I mean if that is considered a high paying job, I should be rolling in dough about now. Even 41,600 is tough to live on these days.
    $8,600 is a good gig for a couple months worth of part time work.

    And $41,600 is a pretty sweet gig for a kid to land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulJonson
    $8,600 is a good gig for a couple months worth of part time work.



    And $41,600 is a pretty sweet gig for a kid to land.
    Sure is a sweet deal... If the spot pays $41 grand wouldn't you look for someone with some experience?

    Exactly what are the qualifications to be an intern...Could anyone apply for the spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoName
    question: How is $8,600 a high paying job? I mean if that is considered a high paying job, I should be rolling in dough about now. Even 41,600 is tough to live on these days.
    She got an $8600 return on a $600 investment, I consider that to be a high return. ANd $41,600 for a 22 year old kid, who was hired because of his moms contributions, who was earning peanuts as a session intern, that is a high paying job. Did the kid even graduate college in March when he was given this job? How is he the most qualified person Hoyt could find? And above all, Hoyt violated the Assembly's Rules by hiring a session intern during session!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident
    Sure is a sweet deal... If the spot pays $41 grand wouldn't you look for someone with some experience?

    Exactly what are the qualifications to be an intern...Could anyone apply for the spot?
    Who could be more experienced than a kid who did half an internship and is a family friend???

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