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    Should NY Bring Back The Death Penalty?

    Call to bring back Death Penalty in New York State

    Apr 24, 2007 - A group of State Lawmakers are asking that the death penalty be brought back for those who kill law enforcement officials. The death penalty was declared unconstitutional in New York State in 2004.

    4 Upstate Law enforcement officials have been killed in the line of duty since February of 2006. Trooper Andrew Sperr was killed by suspected bank robbers in March of 2006. Trooper Joseph Longobardo was shot by Ralph Phillips in September of 2006. And two Utica Police Officers have also been shot in the line of duty.

    http://www.wkbw.com/Story.aspx?previ...NStoryID=19236

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    Yes they should! Three troopers were shot in the past 24 hours, one of them was killed this morning. Earlier this week the Assembly took a vote on a death penalty bill and the Assembly Democrats voted it down.

    Would this have stopped this guy from the recent shootings? Probably not, but instead of a long trial, where he will get life in jail, his victims and their families would have closure with his execution. We need out representatives to act now and do what the majority of people want: Bring Back the Death Penalty!

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    I think the Andrew Capozzi case is the best argument against the death penalty there is. If one of those rape victims had been killed and AC had been executed for it, what then? The number of people who have been in prison for life -- or on death row in other states -- and who have been exonerated by new evidence (especially DNA evidence) in the last 5 or 10 years is so large that it's obvious that the margin of error in the criminal justice system is too high to allow the death penalty.

    That's aside from the very real issue that the death penalty, nationally, is meted out disproportionately to the poor and people of modest incomes. There aren't a lot of rich guys sitting on death row.
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    There should be a death penalty for cop killers. period. I don't care if you have a lot of money or no money. No one should kill someone who is out there risking their life to protect us. There is no doubt that Ralph Phillips killed a trooper and shot two others. There will be no doubt that this recent guy killed a trooper and wounded two others.

    Should there be a death penalty for those who rape and murder? Yes there should be the option for the DA to pursue the death penalty. Today's technology can prove/disprove the guilt of a person through DNA, fignerprints, etc. The Capozzi case doesnt apply bc they didn't have DNA back then. Since DNA is such a good tool, I belive that if you are convicted of rape and murder and DNA backs that up, you should be executed.

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    nothing like mixing vengence with justice... always works out great...
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    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    nothing like mixing vengence with justice... always works out great...
    Put yourself in the shoes of a troopers family:

    If your dad pulled someone over for speeding and was walking up to the car and then shot cold blooded in the head killing him, what would you rather happen to said criminal?

    A. He/She spends life in prison, being able to see his family and live.
    B. Have the possibility of parole, meaning you have to relive the murder
    every time he is up for release.
    C. He/She receives a just punishment, death, and allows you and your
    family some closure.

    I for one would be pissed if he/she was given option A or B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabapples
    Put yourself in the shoes of a troopers family:

    If your dad pulled someone over for speeding and was walking up to the car and then shot cold blooded in the head killing him, what would you rather happen to said criminal?

    A. He/She spends life in prison, being able to see his family and live.
    B. Have the possibility of parole, meaning you have to relive the murder
    every time he is up for release.
    C. He/She receives a just punishment, death, and allows you and your
    family some closure.

    I for one would be pissed if he/she was given option A or B.
    i'll go with A.

    don't call it a "just" punishment, death has nothing to do with justice. the death penalty is nothing more than vengence (wrapped up in draconian version of justice.)

    once convicted (thats were the real justice is, btw), throw the guy in prison for the rest of his life. no parole, ever. its cheaper than the death penalty.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    Yes. I love the death penalty. It's not judging; it's just killing.
    They can be judged later.
    Just make sure that they only kill the 100% proven to be guilty violent criminal.
    Any doubt, at all, and they can rot in prison.
    The evil hide even when no one is chasing them.- Proverbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginTaxpayer
    Call to bring back Death Penalty in New York State

    Apr 24, 2007 - A group of State Lawmakers are asking that the death penalty be brought back for those who kill law enforcement officials. The death penalty was declared unconstitutional in New York State in 2004.

    4 Upstate Law enforcement officials have been killed in the line of duty since February of 2006. Trooper Andrew Sperr was killed by suspected bank robbers in March of 2006. Trooper Joseph Longobardo was shot by Ralph Phillips in September of 2006. And two Utica Police Officers have also been shot in the line of duty.

    http://www.wkbw.com/Story.aspx?previ...NStoryID=19236
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    Quote Originally Posted by raoul duke
    i'll go with A.

    don't call it a "just" punishment, death has nothing to do with justice. the death penalty is nothing more than vengence (wrapped up in draconian version of justice.)

    once convicted (thats were the real justice is, btw), throw the guy in prison for the rest of his life. no parole, ever. its cheaper than the death penalty.
    One bullet costs pennys. Viva la movement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoodsp466
    One bullet costs pennys. Viva la movement
    zieg heil!!!

    maybe, but due process is expensive.
    One beautiful thing about having a government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations is that every disaster is measured in terms of economic loss. It's sort of like getting your arm sheared off in a car accident and thinking, "Damn, now it'll take longer to fold the laundry" as blood spurts from your arteries. - The Rude Pundit

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    They should bring back the death penalty just for this series with the Rangers.

    The penalty for hooking in Buffalo is death.
    The evil hide even when no one is chasing them.- Proverbs

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    Lightbulb Levels of "Justice!"

    Ordinary people are "Murdered" every day.

    Where is the demand for the death penalty from our Government then ?

    Why is it when individual society members are threatened/murdered -

    the Governments answer is to create more Tax Payer Funded Enforcement Jobs or more Tax Payer Funded Prisons ?

    Then when one of them (Government or Enforcement officer) gets shot or murdered - all the Politicians come out of their Offices to get their sound bite crying for stiffer penalties ?

    (Yes -I do support the Death Penalty - I do support Law and Order - )

    These are all "After the fact remedy's" , lets not address/correct the root problems !

    Maybe if we let our Government become the primary Taxpayer funded employer , it will all change ! Then we could just apply the death penalty to anyone who gets convicted of killing a Government Employee .

    Oh , wait thats what we do now ! - NEVER MIND ! -
    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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    An Eye For An Eye...

    IT REALLY DIDNT SEEM TO ...bother many Americans when they hung Sadam and televised it here in the media, newspapers and oh ya ..film at 11:00.
    BUT to execute some crazed cold blooded killer here in America it's considered inhumane. THE American public is so fickled ,it knows not what ,and where to stand on any issue at any given time.
    CAPITAL PUNISHMENT MUST BE BROUGHT BACK!! I'll bet that if some of these "Holier than thou Judges" had a life changing experience such as a family member murdered, they would have a different point of view.
    These hardedned cold blooded murderers need to know that there would be no hesitation in 'PULLING THE SWITCH' if the crime warranted it.

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    Lightbulb Anti's to shareblame !

    Quote Originally Posted by joe d.
    IT REALLY DIDN'T SEEM TO ...bother many Americans when they hung Sadam and televised it here in the media, newspapers and oh ya ..film at 11:00.

    Part of the blame should rest clearly on the "Anti Group" shoulders .

    Instead of using these latest cases of senseless murder to persuade Judges to correctly apply the law - they use the heart gripping stories in the media to produce more "Anti Gun" - - "Anti - personal responsibility" - - and on and on.

    There are laws that have been around for years that control even how much powder a person should own - but why apply they laws evenly - when we can grow a whole group of issues to fuel/fund another larger group with yet another unsolvable agenda .

    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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