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    This was brought to my attention. John Pilato

    The person sent me this:

    He is NOT endorsed by the Republicans yet states that he is.





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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    The person sent me this:

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    He is NOT endorsed by the Republicans yet states that he is.
    Does it say "Endorsed By The Republican Party" or "Endorsed By The Conservative Party?"

    No, it does not.

    I just see the word "Endorsed." (In fact, Pilato is endorsed by the Conservative Party.)

    There is also one reference to "conservative" and one reference to "republican."

    Those words are in lower case and here are the definitions of those words:

    re·pub·li·can


    noun
    1.
    a person advocating or supporting republican government.

    "those who favored the continuance of the republic made every effort to defeat the monarchists and to have republicans elected in their places"

    2.
    a member or supporter of the Republican Party.




    con·serv·a·tive

    adjective
    1.
    averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.

    noun
    1.
    a person who is averse to change and holds traditional values.
    Does someone have a problem with that Facebook post?

    Pilato does hold republican and conservative values and philosophies; so what?

    It is not like a decades-long tax and spend liberal calling himself a conservative, eh?

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    The person sent me this:




    Getting mixed message here, Res.

    On the one hand you are encouraging posters to post in their own names and here you post for an individual that is either not a Speakup member, or a member who is attempting to create a ****storm but doesn’t have the stones to post it on their own. You’re being played!

    Did the individual who sent you this inform you that it is a Facebook post, not a mailer? Did the individual sending this to you not understand the words ‘endorsed Conservative and Republican are distinct (dissimilar)?

    Pilato is endorsed by the Conservative Party and is a registered Republican who will be challenging Highway Superintendent Amatura in the primary for the Republican line.

    Pilato is a Republican with conservative values, unlike Amatura who just recently changed from Democrat to Conservative to enable him to primary Pilato (endorsed Conservative Party candidate) to make him eligible to seek the Republican Party endorsement (which he received). Amatura also has the endorsement of the Working Party – uber-left party.

    Amatura also BOE challenged Pilato’s designating petitions and lost. Amatura also interviewed for the Conservative Party endorsement and did not receive it. The same Conservative Party announcing its endorsed candidates first and with the declaration: These are the candidates we interviewed, vetted and found who best serve conservative values and ideology.

    And Pilato comes out here looking like a deceiving candidate? Seriously?

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    Getting mixed message here, Res.

    On the one hand you are encouraging posters to post in their own names and here you post for an individual that is either not a Speakup member, or a member who is attempting to create a ****storm but doesn’t have the stones to post it on their own. You’re being played!

    Does it say "Endorsed By The Republican Party" or "Endorsed By The Conservative Party?"

    No, it does not.

    I just see the word "Endorsed." (In fact, Pilato is endorsed by the Conservative Party.)

    There is also one reference to "conservative" and one reference to "republican."

    Those words are in lower case and here are the definitions of those words:


    "endorsed conservative and republican"

    Both of you two don't even go there. Was it "upper" case or was the word "by" use? Come on now...

    Or that I'm being played. Is that the actual image up on facebook and is "endorsed conservative and republican" display as we see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    "endorsed conservative and republican"

    Both of you two don't even go there. Was it "upper" case or was the word "by" use? Come on now...

    Or that I'm being played. Is that the actual image up on facebook and is "endorsed conservative and republican" display as we see?
    The words that you challenge are clear and exact, and taken at face value, do not seem to indicate any meaning(s) other than what is presented.

    In that connection, upper case vs. lower case makes all the difference in the world, and anyone with the most basic English grammar skills should be able to recognize the purpose(s) of that distinction.

    Reference: https://www.skillsyouneed.com/write/...l-letters.html

    I write this one more time:

    re·pub·li·can


    noun
    1.
    a person advocating or supporting republican government.

    "those who favored the continuance of the republic made every effort to defeat the monarchists and to have republicans elected in their places"

    2.
    a member or supporter of the Republican Party.




    con·serv·a·tive

    adjective
    1.
    averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.

    noun
    1.
    a person who is averse to change and holds traditional values.
    No disrespect Res, but I am just not into Newspeak or Doublethink.

    Equally, I am not an ultra-Left Democrat that embraces "Projection." After all, this is Speak Up, not CNN or MSNBC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    "endorsed conservative and republican"

    Both of you two don't even go there. Was it "upper" case or was the word "by" use? Come on now...

    Or that I'm being played. Is that the actual image up on facebook and is "endorsed conservative and republican" display as we see?

    A matter of interpretation and the individual who sent you the Facebook posting should have been required to post it.

    Many of us not having a Facebook account would never had seen this and this would have remained much ado about nothing.

    You have to be a member to post on Speakup. If the individual contacting you was not a Speakup member than you violated your own rule and should have denied posting it – in fact, starting a new thread in the process. Or, you should have identified the individual who contacted you and gave you this Facebook post.

    It’s bad enough exchanging viewpoints with anonymous cretins like Breezy posting without having to respond to individuals working in the shadows trying to post a political false flag narrative to create a ****storm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post

    It’s bad enough exchanging viewpoints with anonymous cretins like Breezy posting without having to respond to individuals working in the shadows trying to post a political false flag narrative to create a ****storm!
    Just My Opinion:

    Yep, it would seem that Breezy has some sort of distasteful entitlement to lie about and ridicule posters, without regard to the topical limitations of a thread.

    Case in point, recently I started a strictly informational thread based on a Lancaster Bee story announcing Mayor Schroeder's re-election bid. In that thread, I made no endorsement; I simply presented the Lancaster Bee story.

    Reference: https://www.speakupwny.com/forums/sh...ks-Second-Term

    The essence of the first Breezy post (#4) substantially had nothing to do with that published story. Rather, it significantly focused on an attack upon what Breezy perceived to be my credibility. Bear in mind, that story ran in the newspaper which I understand to be the official public communications channel for the Town of Lancaster.

    In fact, on that exact same thread, out of seven Breezy posts, five were personal attacks on me, without any reference to the Lancaster Bee's story.

    Unless Breezy enjoys and exclusive right to personally attack posters, and to do so in entirely whimsical and off-topic ways, why is such crap permitted to be posted on Speak up?

    I am happy to devote time to public discourse in what I perceive to the interests of the community that I have lived in for 65 years. But what is trending on this forum, is a race towards anarchy; a engagement unworthy of my time and efforts, just my opinion of course.

    I guess an anonymous party screen name will not be necessary if the political hacks can call-in their desires?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post
    A matter of interpretation and the individual who sent you the Facebook posting should have been required to post it.
    It was gorja who sent it. And in this case it doesn't make a difference who the messenger was. They gave me permission to say who sent it. They said they weren't going to post until September so they sent it to me.

    The wording is misleading to the casual reader in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    The wording is misleading to the casual reader in my opinion.
    Res, I am happy that you mentioned the "casual reader;" the members of my community who may engage this forum.

    In that connection, unlike the actual words in the post in controversy, I wonder how the casual reader interprets these blatant falsehoods and incendiary remarks?:


    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    So, the co-founder of the racist Make NY Red, Mark Blazejewski, posts another misleading dog whistle in order to beat up BLM.

    Have you no shame, sir?


    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Wouldn't it be a real hoot if BLM picketed you, Mark Blazejewski?

    You'd sure have it coming! LOL They have been noted in a lot of media reports doing just that, lately.
    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Mark,

    You run a website where members advocate for the murder of members of Congress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    you seem to never have amounted to much in life.
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    You do have your white sheet of course.
    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Do you cover your head with that white sheet when you post all this garbage, Mark???
    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Do you even work or are you one of those 'socialist-haters' who sucks the $$$$$$ out of government programs designed to help the poor???
    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Proud Boy with the white sheet over his head.
    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Mark Blazejewski is a champion of the decrepit website Make NY Red...

    Now these two are the prime champions of the village mayor and team.
    Reference: Post #580, https://www.speakupwny.com/forums/sh...t-Party/page39

    BTW Res, is the "Gorja" to whom you referred the same Gorja who wrote in support of some the discredited Breezy falsehoods stated-above?...

    Quote Originally Posted by gorja View Post
    Wow Breezy, your posts get better and better. This one in particular was loaded with factual information. Post after post, after post, Mark has been requesting the evidence that you provided.
    That evidence was the post regarding his right hand man from Niagara county on the Make New York Red Facebook page indicating his desire for Congress woman Omar to be hung.

    Mark has spoke about you going off the subject of the thread, yet he has been begging for that evidence.

    Thanks Breezy for following through.

    A reminder to Mark this old adage, "Be careful what you wish for", eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    It was gorja who sent it. And in this case it doesn't make a difference who the messenger was. They gave me permission to say who sent it. They said they weren't going to post until September so they sent it to me.


    Why is it that you referred to "Gorja," seemingly a single personage, but then referenced "they," which suggests more than one individual?

    Then you state that "it doesn't make a difference who the messenger was."

    A curious choice of words, eh?

    Was Breezy an additional messenger or perhaps an advocate for the posting which is the subject of this thread?

    Does the Gorja-Breezy tag-team still reign and perhaps will reign in the future?

    I raise that point because both Gorja and Breezy have since appeared to have gone silent. Will they both be posting in September?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    It was gorja who sent it. And in this case it doesn't make a difference who the messenger was. They gave me permission to say who sent it. They said they weren't going to post until September so they sent it to me.

    The wording is misleading to the casual reader in my opinion.

    Last word on this matter on my part!

    It does make a difference who the messenger is when that messenger is a registered Speakup member and regular poster over the years. For whatever reason Gorga decides to take a hiatus and decides to use you to carry her water as a proxy poster.

    What is especially troublesome in this strange year of Lancaster politics is that Gorga is a recent Democrat to Conservative Party convert and decides that a fellow conservative party endorsed candidate deserves to be pilloried for changing from conservative to republican to make him eligible to primary where the endorsed Republican candidate is a non- registered Republican.

    If you find this meaningless poster misleading and worthy of attention, this pales in comparison to the machinations going on by the Republican and Democratic town parties in the primary process.

    Politics is a loathsome blood-sport and with rare exception all politicos suck. Much more so in Lancaster this year than usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chowaniec View Post

    For whatever reason Gorga decides to take a hiatus and decides to use you to carry her water as a proxy poster.
    Whether Gorja posts or does not post is her prerogative, and her posting habits most certainly are at her discretion.

    However, I would be remiss if I did not ask "Does it not seem that recently, Gorja appears inclined to substantially limit posting her thoughts and opinions to campaign seasons, and avoids posting her contemporaneous thoughts as vital issues develop in our community?"

    Nothing wrong with exercising such discretion, but would it not be more beneficial to the community-at-large if a respected poster would comment on events as they occur, rather than seemingly function as a Monday Morning Quarterback who awaits a future, politically beneficial time to post, perhaps with the intent to cherry-pick events, and time, relying on the hazy fog of time, to apply a more twisted, sanitized, and partisan narrative and perspective?

    But, to each his own, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post

    Why is it that you referred to "Gorja," seemingly a single personage, but then referenced "they," which suggests more than one individual?

    Haven't you noticed by now my grammar and word usage is rather bad?

    I try now to use words that don't refer to he or she so the only thing that pops into my mind is they and them.

    It's stupid to even have to worry about nonsense like that.

    This is one reason I would actually like people to post as themselves so there less bs to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark blazejewski View Post
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    Then you state that "it doesn't make a difference who the messenger was."

    A curious choice of words, eh?

    Only a "curious choice of words" for someone who has way too much time on their, his, her, it's hands.

    I literally mean... It doesn't make a difference who the messenger was.... it's misleading to the casual reader. Nothing more nothing less.


    Why you guys are thinking of "curious words"... or who is she or he... or what ever....tonight I'm reading up on these plants while skimming speakup.

    These came in today.

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    Politics is a loathsome blood-sport and with rare exception all politicos suck. Much more so in Lancaster this year than usual.
    All this BS we read about going on Erie County politics is detrimental to families and businesses.

    Now I'm going to sound full of myself.

    I think Erie County as a whole, the city and towns can be ran far more efficient and better for all us property and business owners.

    I think we have quite a few people who believe they are smart but really they are not in the scheme of things. If you think about it a box of rocks can win an elected seat as long as that box of rocks receives one more vote than another person. That basically sums it up.

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