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    So you want Hillary for Dictator

    This woman is the Anti Christ this guy was her Idol.

    Saul Alinsky and the Lessons He Taught Bill and Hillary

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    Author: Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky Courtesy the Wanderer
    Posted on 03/23/2000 16:22:25 PST by Slyfox

    Saul Alinsky wrote two books outlining his organizational principles and strategies: Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971).

    Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky: "Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."

    In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: "Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution." He builds on the tactical principles of Machiavelli: "The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away."

    Rules for Radicals is concerned with the acquisition of power: "my aim here is to suggest how to organize for power: how to get it and how ot use it." This is not to be done with assistance to the poor, nor even by organizing the poor to demand assistance: "...[E]ven if all the low-income parts of our population were organized ... it would not be powerful enough to get significant, basic, needed changes."

    Alinsky advises the organizer to target the middle class, rather than the poor: "Organization for action will now and in the decade ahead center upon America's white middle class. That is where the power is."

    Alinsky is interested in the middle class solely for its usefulness: "Our rebels have contemptuously rejected the values and the way of life of the middle class. They have stigmatized it as materialistic, decadent, bourgeois, degenerate, imperialistic, war-mongering, brutalized and corrupt. They are right; but we must begin from where we are if we are to build power for change, and the power and the people are in the middle class majority."

    To accomplish this, Alinsky writes that the organizer must "begin to dissect and examine that way of life [the middle class lifestyle] ... He will know that 'square' is no longer to be dismissed as such -- instead his own approach must be 'square' enough to get the action started."

    Rules for Radicals defends belief that the end justifies the means: "to say that corrupt the ends," writes Alinsky, "is to believe in the immaculate conception of ends and principles ... the practical revolutionary will understand ... [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one's individual conscience and the good of mankind."

    Altogether, Alinsky provides eleven rules of the ethics of means and ends. They are morally relativistic:

    "The practical revolutionary will understand Goethe's 'conscience is the virtue of observers and not of agents of action'; in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one's individual conscience and the good of mankind."

    "The second rule of the ethics of the means and ends is that the judgment of the ethics of means is dependent on the political position of those sitting in judgment." Alinsky elaborates his meaning on this point, saying that if you were a member of the underground Resistance, "... then you adopted the means of assassination, terror, property destruction, the bombing of tunnels and trains, kidnapping, and the willingness to sacrifice innocent hostages to the end of defeating the Nazi's. Those who opposed the Nazi's conquerors regarded the Resistance as a secret army of selfless, patriotic idealists ...." Rules for Radicals is therefore concerned with how to win. "...[I]n such a conflict, neither protagonist is concerned with any value except victory."

    "The third rule of the ethics of means and ends is that in war the ends justifies almost any means."

    "There can be no such thing as a successful traitor, for if one succeeds, he becomes a founding father."

    Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): "All effective action requires the passport of morality."

    The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends states "that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments ... Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means."

    Rules for Radicals provides the organizer with a tactical style for community organization that assumes an adversarial relationship between groups of people in which one either dominates or is dominated.

    "The first rule of power tactics is: power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."

    "Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat."

    "Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

    Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."

    "The threat is generally more terrifying than the thing itself."

    "In a fight almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt."

    "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

    One of the criteria for picking the target is the target's vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract."

    "The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength."

    Saul Alinsky urged the active and deliberate "conscious-raising" of people through the technique of "popular education." Popular education is a method by which an organizer leads people to a class-based interpretation of their grievances, and to accept the organizer's systemic solutions to address those grievances. "Through the People's Organization these groups [of citizens] discover that what they considered primarily their individual problem is also the problem of others, and furthermore the only hope for solving an issue of titanic proportions is by pooling all their efforts and strengths. That appreciation and conclusion is an educational process."

    Rules for Radicals stresses organizational power-collecting: "The ego of the organizer is stronger and more monumental than the ego of the leader. The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which a man can reach -- to create, to be a 'great creator', to play God." Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific "organizer" and wanted her to become his protege. She declined. She had bigger fish to fry. She learned her lessons well. She and Bill have employed Alinsky's tactics probably better than anyone else.

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    Hillary is a back stabbing hypocrite just like every other politician.

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    And when she is coronated in January 2009, we have the current bunch of clowns in office to thank for it.

    Maybe Charlie Manson will do a write-in campaign. At least with him you know what you're getting.

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    they we will be coming for you

    Any liberty lover had better start stock piling food and,water and amo becuase she will send the Brown shirts in to any home who says anything bad about Government. The world as we know it will end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoodsp466
    Any liberty lover had better start stock piling food and,water and amo becuase she will send the Brown shirts in to any home who says anything bad about Government. The world as we know it will end.
    Not likely. Bush will have incarcerated all of us in secret terrorist jails already for being traitorous enough to question his decisions. She won't have anyone left to terrorize!

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    Smile Hillary Or The Devil Child?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cgoodsp466
    Any liberty lover had better start stock piling food and,water and amo becuase she will send the Brown shirts in to any home who says anything bad about Government. The world as we know it will end.
    Lemme see...Under "The Decider," Invasion of privacy, beyond Orwell type-surveillence, American citizens can be put in prison charged with treason with limited rights, accusing Americans with dissenting opinions accused of being "Un-American," kicking hornet's nests in Iraq and sending our troops to a fiery butcher shop? And sooooo much more Hmmmmm?

    I don't know how to tell you this, but the Brown Shirts are ALREADY running the show


    I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE HILLARY CLINTON HAVE ACCESS TO THE NUCLEAR LAUNCH CODES (as President) THAN THE INBRED IDIOT CHILD AND HIS SECRETIVE VP!!!


    Hillary Clinton may not be a great Presidential/VP candidate, she might-But at least she's NOT a full-blooded sociopath, borderline insane like "The Decider."

    And ALL of us "Liberty Lovers" have LOST many liberties for the sake of "more protection from terrorism," we've been scared into giving up so many, many wonderful freedoms and rights under "The Decider," or President Draft Dodger.

    And OF COURSE Hillary is corrupt and rotten. A politician MUST be corrupt and rotten to be elected and stay in office. Its just a matter of HOW immoral a degree a politician is willing to go,

    Bush, Cheny, Rove & Co. would turn this country into a dictatorship if they could get away with it.

    I'll take Hillary over our Commander And Thief any day.

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    It's not Hillary who sucks....it's Monica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbfounded

    Hillary Clinton may not be a great Presidential/VP candidate, but at least she's NOT a full-blooded sociopath, borderline insane like "The Decider."
    You're absolutely correct here.

    But she is a full-blooded sociALIST.

    Either way kiss your rights bye-bye.

    It would be sure poliitical suicide (due to the soccer moms and tree-huggers that make up the majority of the population), but I would be the first in line to vote for ANYONE who comes out and says they'd jettison the Patriot Act as their first deed when elected President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Effigy
    I would be the first in line to vote for ANYONE who comes out and says they'd jettison the Patriot Act as their first deed when elected President.
    Why is everyone so afraid of the Patriot Act? Is it because the media tells you to be? I realize it has been misused by a handful of knuckleheads, but on the same note, it has probably saved many American lives. If the overall results end up saving lives, I could care less if someone listens in on my conversations here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfing USA
    Why is everyone so afraid of the Patriot Act? Is it because the media tells you to be? I realize it has been misused by a handful of knuckleheads, but on the same note, it has probably saved many American lives. If the overall results end up saving lives, I could care less if someone listens in on my conversations here and there.
    I just keep my eyes open.I watch every Sand Flea I see. Get ready boys its going to hit the fan. Wolverinessssssss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Effigy
    You're absolutely correct here.

    But she is a full-blooded sociALIST.

    Either way kiss your rights bye-bye.

    It would be sure poliitical suicide (due to the soccer moms and tree-huggers that make up the majority of the population), but I would be the first in line to vote for ANYONE who comes out and says they'd jettison the Patriot Act as their first deed when elected President.
    She is actually pretty centrist. The most radical thing she ever did was try to devise a universal health care plan, back when she First Lady.

    And given how rotten our health care system is now, I wish she hadn't failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atotaltotalfan2001
    She is actually pretty centrist. The most radical thing she ever did was try to devise a universal health care plan, back when she First Lady.

    And given how rotten our health care system is now, I wish she hadn't failed.
    Spoken like a pure socialist. Please gime gime gime

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    Liberty lovers should just simply vote for anyone other than rep or dem out of spite. Even though ya know an Inde doesnt have a chance, it would be nice to see a larger number of votes for. And see what the media does with that.

    Wouldnt be a bad idea to invest in "off the grid living". Boycott large utility companies [and grocers] and share your successes and knowledge with family, friends, and neighbors.

    Anyone who would vote for a democrat is just voting for higher taxes and that makes you the larger problem.

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    If voting made a difference it would be illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvan_fettle
    Liberty lovers should just simply vote for anyone other than rep or dem out of spite. Even though ya know an Inde doesnt have a chance, it would be nice to see a larger number of votes for. And see what the media does with that.

    Wouldnt be a bad idea to invest in "off the grid living". Boycott large utility companies [and grocers] and share your successes and knowledge with family, friends, and neighbors.

    Anyone who would vote for a democrat is just voting for higher taxes and that makes you the larger problem.
    God Bless My brother.I am self employed and I pay quarterly tax. I just went out and picked up my taxes and I still owe the Fn Government $1000
    And this Fd up state another $240.00. So I can hardly wait for 2008. I am a proud memebr of the IDGAF party. If you need an explanation let me know.

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