Pat Burke and Sandy Beach

[WNYresident]

I was a little surprised about Sandy. Didn't seem to let Pat make his case.

Seems Pat wants to setup a way for lower income people to get on a payment plan to avoid the added surcharges when tickets are not paid. I see Pat's point of view and why he would pander to a voting base and Sandy's point of view.

Why have different sets of rules of fines based on income. Make the rules the same for everyone. If a lower income person who broke the rules can do a payment plan for a fine then everyone has the same exact option.

I also see where Pat is coming from when he says misinformation about what he proposed is spread. There are people who are saying the tax payer is going to pay the fines for lower income people but from what Pat said that isn't the case.

Was Pat vocal when the DNC including the local ecdems.com were spreading the Russia Russia Russia mis-information?

Sandy shouldn't make it personal. I heard him call Pat a buffoon for having a different opinion than his.



https://www.facebook.com/Sandy.Beach...53629241323774

[Dan Roman]

I didn’t realize that this was such a pressing issue that a politician has to waste time on it , is this a reason people are leaving NY state?

[WNYresident]

Valid point. I don't think I ever heard someone complain that we don't have payment plans for parking fines. Ever.


Dan, what is opinion on this? Should lower income people who do break the rules have a different payment opinion that someone with a higher income?

[Dan Roman]

Valid point. I don't think I ever heard someone complain that we don't have payment plans for parking fines. Ever.


Dan, what is opinion on this? Should lower income people who do break the rules have a different payment opinion that someone with a higher income?

No, make it the same plan. What would the test be to prove or disprove “low income” , and if u lose your job cause u got a ticket then you might be in the no income category

[WNYresident]

And how do you base something on your income level because what counts is what you have left, not what you made.

IE:

I personally know people who earn 100k+ who are literally broke all the time. To the point of not having 1 week of savings to cover bills. I also know people who make 25k a year who always have money in their pockets because they manage what they have.

You can also have someone making 100k a year who has medical bills with nothing left in their pocket or another person making 100k a year who spend their money at the casino with nothing left in their pockets.

Why not just lower the penalty amounts across the board if they have a habit of getting out of hand?

[sharky]

Seems to me it goes against the idea of equal protection, although so many things do these days I'm not surprised a politician is suggesting another one.

[WNYresident]

Low income people are a pretty good size voting block.

Look up the term pander.

someone who caters to or exploits the weaknesses of others

to provide gratification for others' desires

a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others.

a go-between in amorous intrigues.

They don't do it with their own money though. They tend to do it with other people's money. And this BS needs to stop and the best place to start is where the support begins. At the small local political parties that support the people who do this to us.

[Breezy]

Look up the term pander.

I see a lot of pandering on here. Like Trump doesn't pander to his flock every single day ????? I guess pandering is in the eye of the beholder.

At least Pat's trying to do things for people.

And gee, what's this all about ….

Was Pat vocal when the DNC including the local ecdems.com were spreading the Russia Russia Russia mis-information?

Interesting, I never heard one thing from "ecdems.com" about Russia and Trump.

Can you show some proof?

[WNYresident]

Go skim the groups facebook page. You'll find various anti-trump postings and I'm pretty sure I saw "election interference" type posts. I was going to do screen shots but never did.

This one I did screen capture because frankly I was surprised

[WNYresident]

I see a lot of pandering on here. Like Trump doesn't pander to his flock every single day ????? I guess pandering is in the eye of the beholder.

At least Pat's trying to do things for people.

And gee, what's this all about ….

Here's the difference and perhaps I'm looking at it the wrong way...

There are two types of pandering.

One type of pandering is giving something away at someone else's expense.

Second would be "giving" something to someone but not having that action cost someone else some money.



Example:

Someone pandering by pushing free college is going to cost someone else some money by way of taxes....Someone has to pay for the college service that someone else is receiving for free.

or

Someone pandering by pushing tax cuts across the board for all. That action effects everyone equally for the most part.

Someone pandering by saying they will not take your rights away isn't adding cost to another person. IE: We currently have the DNC/Cuomo trying to strip our 2nd Amendment Rights away.

Someone pandering by saying we will negotiate trade agreements in our favor isn't the same as pandering saying "I will give you free stuff"

I see where sandy is coming from. Apply the laws equally. Don't get a parking ticket and you won't have the fine. We are all created equal so why give someone a loop hole out of the punishment and not everyone?

I thought Sandy was a bit rude not letting Pat speak. I think it would have been better to let Pat speak because people would hear the nonsense that is coming from our elected officials. Instead of giving someone a loop hole out of the surcharges how about just lowering the surcharges if the fine is late?

[WNYresident]

The Call

[Breezy]

Go skim the groups facebook page. You'll find various anti-trump postings and I'm pretty sure I saw "election interference" type posts. I was going to do screen shots but never did.

I did look, found nothing as you state.

[Breezy]

Here's the difference and perhaps I'm looking at it the wrong way...

There are two types of pandering.

One type of pandering is giving something away at someone else's expense.

Second would be "giving" something to someone but not having that action cost someone else some money.



Example:

Someone pandering by pushing free college is going to cost someone else some money by way of taxes....Someone has to pay for the college service that someone else is receiving for free.

or

Someone pandering by pushing tax cuts across the board for all. That action effects everyone equally for the most part.

Someone pandering by saying they will not take your rights away isn't adding cost to another person. IE: We currently have the DNC/Cuomo trying to strip our 2nd Amendment Rights away.

Someone pandering by saying we will negotiate trade agreements in our favor isn't the same as pandering saying "I will give you free stuff"

I see where sandy is coming from. Apply the laws equally. Don't get a parking ticket and you won't have the fine. We are all created equal so why give someone a loop hole out of the punishment and not everyone?

I thought Sandy was a bit rude not letting Pat speak. I think it would have been better to let Pat speak because people would hear the nonsense that is coming from our elected officials. Instead of giving someone a loop hole out of the surcharges how about just lowering the surcharges if the fine is late?

It could be stated that doling out huge tax cuts to the super rich is pandering with our money.

I see pandering to the crazies the wild ideas of fringe politicians like AOC and others (Omar), when in fact they represent a tiny fraction of the Democratic Party; even AOC was rebuked by Nancy Pelosi and other top Democrats, yet, when you read countless posts on here, they mostly focus on AOC and the other crackpots with crazy ideas.

Then you have GOP Steve King, a true scumbag of the highest degree, but I do not feel at all that this jerk represents the wider Republican Party.

You pander all the time but just can't see it.

[WNYresident]

It could be stated that doling out huge tax cuts to the super rich is pandering with our money.

It could be stated it's pandering but your not pandering with someone else's money.

You are letting people keep their money. Big difference compared to pandering by taking someone else's money and giving someone the money or a service provided by that money.

I understand we need roads, I know we need items like sewers and items like that which taxes pay for.

[WNYresident]

I see pandering to the crazies the wild ideas of fringe politicians like AOC and others (Omar), when in fact they represent a tiny fraction of the Democratic Party; even AOC was rebuked by Nancy Pelosi and other top Democrats, yet, when you read countless posts on here, they mostly focus on AOC and the other crackpots with crazy ideas.

I don't see the local people of the same group AOC, Gilibrand, Cuomo etc speaking out against it.

Don't even bring Nancy up. Mrs Not in my Back Yard when Trump was going to drop off the people crossing the border illegally into her city.