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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    You have not told me why it's a bad idea?

    "just because" is not a reason.

    The space is there. We have roads already in place for traffic flow. We have the airport and a train station. We have ample hotel/motel rooms, shopping and eateries.
    Do you really want me to sh*t on Cheektowaga? I mean, I can if you're into that sort of thing.... But it's where you live.

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    It's not ****ting on cheektowaga if it's true. It's constructive criticism.

    I don't think that spot is bad. I don't know what is exactly buried in that spot but I think it was cleaned up. I don't think homes should be placed there but a complex like this yes.

    We have traffic flow sort of covered.

    Honestly I think something where you see the lights of the airport and jets would be cool. I don't know about the sound level though. If I had time I would do a full three-3d rendering what I'm thinking. The airport is an asset that Buffalo doesn't have.

    Paper work would have to be in place so the the town labor monopolies can't get access to any funds the place generates for the town. We have witnessed what the Cheektowaga Democratic party has done and it needs to finally stop.

    We wouldn't allow the town board to negotiate any contract regarding the complex. They are simply not qualified.

    I've been reading what makes one convention center more popular than another. Weather is a big factor but so is access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    It's not ****ting on cheektowaga if it's true. It's constructive criticism.

    I don't think that spot is bad. I don't know what is exactly buried in that spot but I think it was cleaned up. I don't think homes should be placed there but a complex like this yes.

    We have traffic flow sort of covered.

    Honestly I think something where you see the lights of the airport and jets would be cool. I don't know about the sound level though. If I had time I would do a full three-3d rendering what I'm thinking. The airport is an asset that Buffalo doesn't have.

    Paper work would have to be in place so the the town labor monopolies can't get access to any funds the place generates for the town. We have witnessed what the Cheektowaga Democratic party has done and it needs to finally stop.

    We wouldn't allow the town board to negotiate any contract regarding the complex. They are simply not qualified.

    I've been reading what makes one convention center more popular than another. Weather is a big factor but so is access.
    It’s been “cleaned” , never to be built on again and monitored for life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Roman View Post
    It’s been “cleaned” , never to be built on again and monitored for life
    That can be changed. It will mostly be paved over. This would stop water from soaking into the soil spreading what could be left into our water table. See win win situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    That can be changed. It will mostly be paved over. This would stop water from soaking into the soil spreading what could be left into our water table. See win win situation.
    No it can’t be, stop wasting your time, I’m sure you have much more important things to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Roman View Post
    No it can’t be, stop wasting your time, I’m sure you have much more important things to do
    Then we'll change course and use the nature preserve. There is enough space.

    Town board never worried about trees.

    Why can't it be. Seriously, why not?

    It's been cleaned or it wasn't. Can't be both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    Then we'll change course and use the nature preserve. There is enough space.

    Town board never worried about trees.

    Why can't it be. Seriously, why not?

    It's been cleaned or it wasn't. Can't be both.

    I know you’re trying to prove a point but no, it can’t be used and no the nature preserve can’t be either. Put your energy towards more worthwhile arguments

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    So why can't the nature preserve be used? Seriously why not? Good for the community and all. We use the revenue to directly offset the growing labor contracts cost.

    I'm thinking just like a council person..... Tree's don't mean anything including the quality of live around the new development. I'm going to verbally act like I care about quality of life issues but when push comes to shove I'm going to do the "We are going to be sued. Our hands are tied".... And yes I'm making a point. Maybe going about it the long way around but my point will be valid.

    I would still like to know why can't the area that was "cleaned" up not be used for a commercial development. For the most part it would be sealed after a parking lot was built including poured concrete structures.

    Start thinking out of the box. Any ruling that was made can be changed. We are not talking the Bill of Rights.

    If there is money out there to build a new convention center bring that money home. If the number work and it can be done use that revenue to enhance the quality of life for all the town residents.

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    Or you can wait until another fast food restaurant calls about moving into the town and act like you are busy doing some economic development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    So why can't the nature preserve be used? Seriously why not?
    Just reading between the lines but I think it's pretty clear that Dan is suggesting this is a brownfield with some pretty bad stuff below ground.


    On the convention center, how many conventions have you been to in different cities? What cities? Honestly curious here.

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    You mean we have a hot spot basically in the center of town that we are told was cleaned up but it isn't? Can't be both. It's one or the other.

    I'm thinking about this way.

    Currently it is just soil and rain water soaks through soil. If they put a layer of clay before the soil it could be considered sealed. Water can't soak down which means nasty stuff can't come up. Right?

    Let's take a useless piece of land and make it produce some revenue to offset the growing costs the CDP (Cheektowaga Democratic Party) has saddled us with.

    We can move the new "done the right way" convention center closer to the airport and use the "cleaned" area for a parking lot. Even put another layer of clay with proper drainage so the parking lot doesn't puddle up. Can't have convention goers walking through puddles.


    On the convention center, how many conventions have you been to in different cities? What cities? Honestly curious here.
    YEARS ago...I went to conventions called Comdex.

    COMDEX (an abbreviation of Computer Dealers' Exhibition) was a computer expo trade show held at various locations in the Las Vegas Valley of Nevada, USA, each November from 1979 to 2003. It was one of the largest computer trade shows in the world, usually second only to the German CeBIT, and by many accounts one of the largest trade shows in any industry sector, and COMDEX exhibitions have been held in many other countries from 1982 to 2005, altogether 185 shows. The first COMDEX was held in 1979 at the MGM Grand (now Bally's), with 167 exhibitors and 3904 attendees. In 1981, the first COMDEX/Spring was held in New York City.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMDEX

    Besides comdex I attended a couple conventions focusing on the graphic art and printing equipment. We sold quite a bit of equipment and attended seminars during the conventions. Plus we got free stuff.

    Locally we participated in the Buffalo Computer and Business show plus others. I might still have photos of the booths we would setup. We would bring a multiple 5' X 5' 5 layer plywood flooring. My other 1/2 wanted something to stand out versus the basic carpet Hale Northeastern would supply. It was horribly heavy and a pain to transport. We put black and white checkered tiles on the plywood. We did quite a few shows with that. THANK GAWD one day we spotted black and white checkered linoleum flooring. Roll it up and throw it into the truck.

    This was the pattern our booths usually had.



    Here is a cool fact. I can't remember which year but we displayed one of the first kodak digital cameras based off a canon camera. It was hooked up to a SuperMac sublimation dye printer. I remember telling everyone who handled the camera please don't drop it.

    I also attended various training seminars. I remember going to NYC for an Okidata service seminar with a couple of people. Stayed at the Statler. That was my first serious experiences with roaches. We took clear plastic cups and placed them over each roach we saw. The top of the dresser had like 20 cups sorted by roach size. I didn't care for that. Now we have webinars.

    I wouldn't want the convention center directly competing with local businesses if possible.

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    Lackawanna hoping Erie Co. can help with $400,000 cost to remove hazardous soil

    Redevelopment on the site of the former New Lincoln Elementary School in Lackawanna hit a funding roadblock. The city needs almost $400,000 to remove toxic soil from the site, and they're hoping Erie County can find extra grant money to help them get the job done.
    https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/lo...l/71-607038970


    So they want to cleanup "toxic soil" to build houses but we can't build a convention center on a cleaned up area in town? Why is it ok to live on something that was toxic but you can't hold conventions on something that was toxic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    Lackawanna hoping Erie Co. can help with $400,000 cost to remove hazardous soil



    https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/lo...l/71-607038970


    So they want to cleanup "toxic soil" to build houses but we can't build a convention center on a cleaned up area in town? Why is it ok to live on something that was toxic but you can't hold conventions on something that was toxic?
    Not all sites are the same. Removing soil is an easy job in comparison to sites where they have drums buried. I don't know what is here but it's possible it's more than soil.

    They had almost no regulations 100 years ago. There is a reason why the cancer rate is so high in WNY. Lots of nasty stuff was just left.

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    Leftie, cancer rates are high here because of smoking and dietary habits too. Overweight leads to myriad health problems and this is the land of the Giants. But we’re still celebrating the conversion of asbestos loaded factories and warehouses into “high end apartments and condos as part of the new urbanism”. The new urbanists can have ‘em.

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    Well James Rogowski just posted this in the "our cheektowaga Community" facebook group.







    Dan?

    No it can’t be, stop wasting your time, I’m sure you have much more important things to do
    It’s been “cleaned” , never to be built on again and monitored for life

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