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    https://buffalonews.com/2018/09/22/r...run-the-gamut/


    Look at the image in that article...

    There is one exceptionally fine building that looks like it would be torn down.


    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater


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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    Lefty's post helps make the case for the convention center to be in Cheektowaga
    No, it doesn't. I said Buffalo has some fun stuff in the summer. Cheektowaga doesn't have fun stuff any point in the year. There are not good places to eat in Cheektowaga. There are not good places to drink. There are not any tourist attractions. There is not a quality hotel. There is not any form of mass transit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    Lefty's post helps make the case for the convention center to be in Cheektowaga


    Only a small % of conventions are public and need to leverage a location to drive sales. Most conventions are private or organization based. For these conventions, location is pretty far down the list. Of course, they want a nice place with things to do...Cheektowaga has this (especially in the summer), but mostly they look at costs.

    They want people to have the ability to drive, and Cheektowaga is ~6hrs away from 10s of millions of people. We have an international airport and train station. They want a lower hotel cost and lower food cost. Cheektowaga has this. We have many of the national food chains minutes from the Airport and the Aero/Transit area.

    They want put on the best conference for the least amount of money. Cheektowaga (especially in the summer) offers this. As a bonus we are no more than 15 minutes away from attractions in the city and various attractions in the suburbs.

    Cheektowaga is never going to compete with San Diego for a 15,000 member convention for doctors. Cheektowaga is never going to compete with some 40,000 person trade show that goes to Vegas. But can land the hundreds of smaller conventions that are 2000 to 3000 attendees like the Flamingo Society or private company events like employee summits. When you're driving from Altoona or Youngstown.. Cheektowaga is a pretty cool spot for a trip.

    In closing. I believe you also have less chance of being shot if it's weekend convention.



    My statement is as valid as Lefty's.
    Don’t forget the gentlemen’s clubs around the airport area, a true draw for conventioneers

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS View Post
    No, it doesn't. I said Buffalo has some fun stuff in the summer. Cheektowaga doesn't have fun stuff any point in the year. There are not good places to eat in Cheektowaga. There are not good places to drink. There are not any tourist attractions. There is not a quality hotel. There is not any form of mass transit.
    Aw, Leftie, there isn’t a hotel in all of western New York of the type to help play host to a decent sized convention. Most of the new ones are in some type of “ mixed use” building with 3 floors of rooms and a proctologist’s office on the next floor. There certainly is mass transit in Cheektowaga; they’re called busses and I know this because I’ve actually seen them. If you’re talking about the hardly used, incredibly wasteful and economically destructive subway that “system” is a freaking joke. It’s useless to a convention unless all the attendees are all gonna be forced to ride down Main Street. Oh wait, I know, we can take the attendees to the rebuilt Allen-Hospital stop which the clods at NFTA tried to market as a local attraction. It’s not; it’s a subway stop and nothing more. Maybe we could couple it with a walk through the new medical school building. The medical school is no better but the building has a really fancy atrium. Buffalo is a dying city and is considered a joke city nationally. To spend hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, including the inevitable payola to friends of Cuomo, to try to make it a convention mecca is a fool’s errand. And as for Cheek not having any good restaurants, it’s gonna have not one, but two Chick-fil-A’s. You can’t beat that in the hierarchy of WNY’s finer eateries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grump View Post
    Aw, Leftie, there isn’t a hotel in all of western New York of the type to help play host to a decent sized convention. Most of the new ones are in some type of “ mixed use” building with 3 floors of rooms and a proctologist’s office on the next floor.
    You don't need a convention hotel when you shoot for small conventions. The Westin Buffalo, HarborCenter, Courtyard by Marriott Canalside, Hilton Garden Inn, Embassy Suites are all less than 10 years old and are close to 700 rooms.

    Many are mixed-use but that makes sense. You just have a personal opinion and expectations rooted in your old age?

    Quote Originally Posted by grump View Post
    There certainly is mass transit in Cheektowaga; they’re called busses and I know this because I’ve actually seen them. If you’re talking about the hardly used, incredibly wasteful and economically destructive subway that “system” is a freaking joke. It’s useless to a convention unless all the attendees are all gonna be forced to ride down Main Street. Oh wait, I know, we can take the attendees to the rebuilt Allen-Hospital stop which the clods at NFTA tried to market as a local attraction. It’s not; it’s a subway stop and nothing more. Maybe we could couple it with a walk through the new medical school building. The medical school is no better but the building has a really fancy atrium. Buffalo is a dying city and is considered a joke city nationally. To spend hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, including the inevitable payola to friends of Cuomo, to try to make it a convention mecca is a fool’s errand.
    We get it. You like your Buick grandpa.

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    And as for Cheek not having any good restaurants, it’s gonna have not one, but two Chick-fil-A’s. You can’t beat that in the hierarchy of WNY’s finer eateries.
    lol

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    You don't need a convention hotel when you shoot for small conventions. The Westin Buffalo, HarborCenter, Courtyard by Marriott Canalside, Hilton Garden Inn, Embassy Suites are all less than 10 years old and are close to 700 rooms.
    For starters we have the Millennium on Walden Ave.

    Three hundred rooms conveniently locate just minutes from Aero/Transit area.

    Fall in love with western New York at Millennium Buffalo. At this family friendly destination you're conveniently close to popular attractions such as Niagara Falls, Albright-Knox Art Gallery, and Shea's Performing Arts Centre. And next door is Walden Galleria Mall, the second largest mall in New York, with a host of shopping and family entertainment options. When it’s time to relax, we have 301 beautifully renovated rooms and suites, and the best swimming pool and courtyard in WNY.

    Meeting rooms and event venues in Buffalo
    Millennium Buffalo is the only full-service airport hotel in Buffalo, with 12,000 Sq. Ft (1,115 Sqm) of flexible event space featuring all the latest audio-visual equipment. Our convenient location means you're just minutes from Buffalo Niagara International Airport, making our hotel ideal for business and social occasions too. If you're looking to hold your wedding in the area, Millennium Buffalo offers two unique wedding venues, and our location is ideal for having your photos at Niagara Falls. For an intimate venue, our tropical courtyard with its retractable dome is perfect, or for the wow factor our Presidential Ballroom with its golden chandeliers will not disappoint.

    https://www.millenniumhotels.com/en/...lo&cid=gplaces






    We have this also

    Days Hotel by Wyndham Buffalo

    I think it's like 120+ rooms.

    Near Walden Galleria Mall and downtown with free airport shuttle

    Days Hotel Buffalo Airport is conveniently located off I-90, across the street from Buffalo-Niagara International Airport (BUF). Our pet-friendly hotel provides easy access to Niagara Falls, Walden Galleria Mall, and downtown Buffalo. During your stay, we’ll provide you with amenities that surprise and delight, such as a complimentary Daybreak breakfast each morning, free airport shuttle, and free WiFi. If you’re here for work, take advantage of our meeting room and on-site business center. We also offer an indoor pool and restaurant.

    https://www.wyndhamhotels.com/days-i...&iata=00065402



    Hampton Inn Buffalo-Airport/Galleria Mall

    Another 132 rooms

    Our promise to you includes a clean, comfortable hotel room. In fact, we have 132 of them! If you're traveling with your family, you may opt for a room with two beds. Or, if you're here by yourself on business, why not book a room with a plush, king-sized bed so you can stretch out and relax?
    https://hamptoninn3.hilton.com/en/ho...ons/index.html


    Hilton Garden Inn Buffalo Airport

    Has to be at least 100 rooms here. I couldn't find the room count on their website

    Every step to success needs a good support structure. The Hilton Garden Inn Buffalo Airport features complimentary WiFi, a 24-hour Business Center, complimentary fitness center and a full-service restaurant on the property providing everything you need to make your stay successful.
    https://hiltongardeninn3.hilton.com/...amenities.html


    Right there are 600+ rooms minutes from where the new Convention Center could be.

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    Don't get me started on restaurants near where a new convention center can go.

    First one comes to mind...


    Russell's....

    Corporate dining...

    http://salvatoresgrand.com/russells-steakhouse/

    There are LOADS of good places to eat... We have many national chains.... Sonic, Chik-fil-a, Checkers, McDonald's, Mighty Taco, pizzerias, Burger Kings, Greek restaurants, World of Beer, Jack Astor's Bar and Grill, The Cheesecake Factory, Texas de Brazil and so on....

    And seeing Cheektowaga is so close to Buffalo if there isn't something a convention goer would like to eat they can take uber downtown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS View Post
    You don't need a convention hotel when you shoot for small conventions. The Westin Buffalo, HarborCenter, Courtyard by Marriott Canalside, Hilton Garden Inn, Embassy Suites are all less than 10 years old and are close to 700 rooms.

    Many are mixed-use but that makes sense. You just have a personal opinion and expectations rooted in your old age?



    We get it. You like your Buick grandpa.



    lol
    I don’t have any expectations except that building a convention center with taxpayer money will lead to more corruption. I have personal opinions based on actually attending a conference or two over the years. You can’t seriously maintain that the decrepit, decaying subway is attractive to convention locators. It’s a rolling crap hole. As for other mass transit, there are busses. I know you’re a big fan of Uber and I do like their new ad campaign “Our drivers will slay you.” But that’s not mass transit. Actually, I don’t drive a Buick but I did 35 years ago when I was rather younger...about the age that Buick’s advertising targets today. Convention cities are successful because they offer things beyond the convention. We pat ourselves on the back and convince ourselves that we have great restaurants but I’ve actually been to other cities and they actually have some good eateries too. And after you’ve walked through Canalside once you’ve done it a hundred times. This area just doesn’t offer the variety of activities that attract the types of cross sections that conventions draw. Actually, ate at a couple of Chick-fil-A’s on a trip through the south. I’ve had worse as that type of stuff goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    Of course, they want a nice place with things to do...Cheecktowaga has this (especially in the summer)
    The nice Lawn fetes?

    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS View Post
    We get it. You like your Buick grandpa. lol
    I stopped arguing with people who still think its 1970 long ago. You should too. Its better for your sanity.
    People who wonder if the glass is half empty or full miss the point. The glass is refillable.

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    Not Lawn fetes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven View Post
    I stopped arguing with people who still think its 1970 long ago. You should too. Its better for your sanity.
    Grump is ok. We have a banter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steven View Post
    The nice Lawn fetes?



    I stopped arguing with people who still think its 1970 long ago. You should too. Its better for your sanity.

    Leftie and I do banter on here. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we don’t. And it’s easier not to argue when your arguments are demonstrable horsecrap. Like arguing that we should piss away millions of taxpayer dollars to build a convention center in a city that can’t use it. FYI, the population of Buffalo in 1970 was about double what it is today. And in case you haven’t noticed Buffalo is a national joke. Too many people swallow the crappola peddled by the Buffalo News and the likes of Ch 2 about our “renaissance” which is based almost exclusively on the inflow of an immigrant population that becomes an immediate welfare charge to the people here still actually doing something productive. They gonna start flocking here because we build a convention center? Really? Spare me! I didn’t grow up here and one of the things that has always struck me is how this area’s solution to everything is to build a building or something. Your city is dying before your eyes so you build an unneeded, unwanted subway, a system conceived almost a generation before for a completely different city, that devastates your central business district. You buy the Buffalo Sabres, a stagnant hockey team, with a stale GM and a coach whose message no longer resonates. Instead of bringing in fresh management, to the applause of the local media and the usual coterie of corrupt politicians, you build a building and call it Harbor Center, a structure that now sits largely empty. Again, to the applause of the local media, $750 million in taxpayer dollars is tinkled away on a plant to be handed over to a whack job pillhead who will use it make a product that no one wants or uses, and whose business practices are under investigation by the SEC and about a dozen states. Oh and don’t forget the millions siphoned off the top by major contributors to Cuomo. I could go on and on...the new medical school building is a classic example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grump View Post
    Leftie and I do banter on here.
    Yeah, like two pea-brains in a pod.

    HeHe!



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    They gonna start flocking here because we build a convention center? Really? Spare me! I didn’t grow up here and one of the things that has always struck me is how this area’s solution to everything is to build a building or something.
    Well we should look at this with an open mind.

    Who ever is running the current convention center must have figures showing what the revenue was.

    How many conventions or events were held that paid to use the convention center. What is the revenue?

    They should also have the running cost of the building. Electric, gas, repairs, the cost for those pucks that go into the urinals and labor cost. What is that total?

    After legit expenses what was the final net profit?

    No I don't mean "BS" like.... we know we produced $30,000,000 in possible economic impact. You can't go buy groceries at Aldi's with economic impact. They usually only accept some form of cash payment.


    https://buffaloconvention.com/

    Is the convention center owned by someone/group or is it basically owned by the city or county? I went to see throughny.org to look up staffing costs but can't find anything

    https://buffaloconvention.com/files/...Floor_Plan.pdf


    Here is a list of the upcoming events

    https://buffaloconvention.com/event-calendar/

    16 events for October

    16 for November

    9 for December

    8 for Jan 2018

    It would be nice if each event had a description of the event on the calendar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezy View Post
    Yeah, like two pea-brains in a pod.

    HeHe!

    Or in your case a pea-brained pud.

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