Where should that casino be built?

[WNYresident]

Seeing a casino can bring jobs along with loads of traffic, where do would you like the casino built?

[dtwarren]

All I hear is how much jobs and traffic it will bring. However, to date all we have is anecdotal evidence at best of it helping Niagara Falls. An interesting article on this topic is currently at http://www.news.uiuc.edu/news/04/0308grinols.html

[WNYresident]

Seeing the politicians seem to lie about a lot of things they feed us, why can't we have a city/county owned casino?

They fed us that the casino was going to be in buffalo which turned out could be another lie, why don't we just demand a city owned casino worse case? Drop it in the old train terminal. Look at all the families in that area that would benefit from the jobs.. Right on a bus route i might add.

Apparently the casino indians are not sharing that wealth with all the indians in NY.

Plus how do we know they are not cooking the books about the amount of profit they drained from the community?

[atrank]

Move the metro rail and add a casino. The stores and restaurants will follow.

[greenleaf]

I really don't like the idea of a casino in Buffalo at all. I think it will curdle the other businesses in its vicinity, unless they are really glitzy bars with sensational floor shows. Those things cost money and require big spenders to generate it. We don't get that kind of traffic in Buffalo. The next best thing is the girlie "bars" in Cheektowaga near the truck stops and the airport. If we must have a casino, let's put it there. It's the 21st C. equivalent of Mother Carey's chickens in the dives around the canal in the 19th C. FWIW. Greenleaf.

[Nancy_WNY]

If "they" ever "really" do anything with the waterfront, I think it would be a good location.

[sbGUY27]

I am all for a caino downtown, but would like to see the goods in said casino taxed to create a fair market. If the Senecas were selling liquor cheaper because it is not taxed , where do you think the drinkers that ususally frequent chippawa will go. Or if they decide to put up tax free gas rightin the middle of the city. Resturants without tax would hurt alot of busineses just getting by because of lunch hour.

If the casino is to be built , it shold be built and set up to promote
business growth in the surrounding area.

[tomac]

Originally posted by WNYresident

Seeing the politicians seem to lie about a lot of things they feed us, why can't we have a city/county owned casino?

I seem to recall that the Native Americans could set up casinos in New York State because of their "sovereign nation" status, but private individuals like you or I couldn't because it is against New York State Law. As to a city/county owned casino, I am holding up the crucifix and crying "begone demon!" at that idea. Having seen the "Tony Baloney/Il Duce dog-and-pony-show"™, I could never go for that idea in good conscience. I mean, considering the theft that took place under some of Joel's henchmen, could you imagine the scale of theft that would happen if you had them watching over real money?

They fed us that the casino was going to be in buffalo which turned out could be another lie, why don't we just demand a city owned casino worse case? Drop it in the old train terminal. Look at all the families in that area that would benefit from the jobs.. Right on a bus route i might add.

Apparently you don't remember Il Duce stating that "you'll have a casino when I say you can have a casino". Every time that the Senecas wanted to talk about a downtown casino, Tony Balony would point them to crap sites that were essentially unusable, or usable only with huge inputs of cash. Then Il Duce would step in and throw a monkeywrench into the negotiations.

Apparently the casino indians are not sharing that wealth with all the indians in NY.

The "Casino Indians" are Senecas, why should they share with Mohawks (who have a casino of their own)? Does New York State share tax revenue with Vermont? The tribe does share the wealth among its own members and that's as it should be.

Plus how do we know they are not cooking the books about the amount of profit they drained from the community?

Are you accusing them of treating us the way that we treated them? *tsk,tsk*

[WNYresident]

Let me defend myself tomac...

A few of the senenca indians mentioned they are not seeing thier "cut" from the casino. I should of stated seneca indians, I didn't mean all as in mohawks etc..

I would never even think of allowing any of the current administration be involved in a city/county ran casino. That would be like giving the theves a key to the vault.

And yes the USA screwed the indians but allowing them to cook the books isn't correct either. Two wrongs don't make a right...

Better now?

[tomac]

Originally posted by WNYresident
Let me defend myself tomac...
A few of the senenca indians mentioned they are not seeing thier "cut" from the casino. I should of stated seneca indians, I didn't mean all as in mohawks etc..
I would never even think of allowing any of the current administration be involved in a city/county ran casino. That would be like giving the theves a key to the vault.
And yes the USA screwed the indians but allowing them to cook the books isn't correct either. Two wrongs don't make a right...
Better now?

Much.
And as to some of the Senecas not getting their cut, you are probably correct in that. I've heard that there's an "in-crowd" and an "out-crowd" on the rez, just like everywhere else. Some folks got jobs at the gas stations and bingo halls, and others, depending on family ties, were shut out.
Pity.

[therising]

Originally posted by tomac

I've heard that there's an "in-crowd" and an "out-crowd" on the rez, just like everywhere else. Some folks got jobs at the gas stations and bingo halls, and others, depending on family ties, were shut out.
Pity.

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That's a pretty accurate way of putting it.
Think about it - In their society the "In" crowd gets to work at gas stations and bingo halls. I wonder where the "Out" crowd has to work.
So much for education, I suppose.

[tomac]

Originally posted by therising
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That's a pretty accurate way of putting it.
Think about it - In their society the "In" crowd gets to work at gas stations and bingo halls. I wonder where the "Out" crowd has to work.
So much for education, I suppose.

In the past, I've had a good number of friends that had Native American blood in their veins. From what I was told by some of them, if you were a member of the "in-crowd", you worked at the gas stations and smoke shops, but NOT pumping gas or standing behind the counter. You could be given jobs in the office (not unlike an "appointed" in County Hall) that were fairly light weight yet paid a pretty good salary. Tribal members not in the "in-crowd" get to pump gas, wait on customers in the smoke shop or restaurant and generally take abuse from the members of the "in-crowd". Or as most of my friends did, find work off the reservation in construction, the banking industry or whatever.
Heck, I've known men from the Cherokee Nation that didn't think twice about moving to Western New York in search of work (admittedly many years ago) and not once looking back.
I guess that some things are pretty much the same all over the world.
As I said before, Pity.......

[WNYresident]

Oh thank you gabby....

Lets see they want to rebuild union road for the next three years while putting a casino near the airport. The traffic is bad enough as it is without the construction. Now we add construction along with upwards of 30,000 more cars a day.

What is the point if in the long run the residents don't benefit from this. It's just a way for the politicians to hire more friends from the windfall of profits. I would rather see the windfall go directly into a general fun to LOWER the property taxes if we need to put up with the casino.

Tony.

[tomac]

Originally posted by WNYresident
Lets see they want to rebuild union road for the next three years while putting a casino near the airport. The traffic is bad enough as it is without the construction. Now we add construction along with upwards of 30,000 more cars a day.

I'm confused. That Union Road Project has been on the books for a long time, maybe six or eight years now. It takes a long time to scrape the dollar$ together in Albany to do real work (as opposed to the political pork-barrel projects).
What you have here is just the usual case of "bad timing". I really don't think that there's a conspiracy here (except the usual one of the politicians trying to think of ways to clean out our wallets )
Personally, I'd rather see a casino out in an area where there are restaurants, hotels and such for the patrons. Just what does downtown Buffalo have any more? They couldn't even come up with a game plan for the NCAA tournies.....

[jokeyhaha]

That the Sececas aren't even looking west towards Buffalo anymore. I suppose that next to the airport will be ok. Not great, just ok. And now Masiello is having a full foot stomping temper tantrum running off to anyone who will listen that it's not fair that Buffalo's off of the list. I'm very curious as to what transpired that Buffalo was so unceremoniously dumped. It's really too bad. All that waterfront land just collecting litter....