Totes are coming to Lancaster

[gorja]

My sixth grade teacher would appeal to my leadership and advocacy qualities by locking me and a couple of other guys out of the room when returning from lunch. He would unlock the door only when we were officially tardy. The result of course was after school duty.

Not being one to stand for injustice, my protests went straight to the principle, who admonished the teacher with the observation: "You are a teacher and a coach, and right now, you are not doing either very well."

But, I paid the price for my celebrity leadership when I got home. The teacher was my grandmother's God Child, and my prominence as a mover and shaker at school was sorely diminished in family circles. Ouch!!!

LMAO

Yes, coming home made punishment in school seem laughable.

We got punished for minor things back in the day.

Chewing gum in junior high. In Clarence, the Junior high and Senior high were in the same building at that time. Mrs Weimer caught me chewing gum. She sent me out to do 2 laps on the track with a dress and saddle shoes on. In those days, we weren't allowed to wear shorts or pants to school. They'd also make you kneel on the floor to make sure your skirt touched the ground when you kneeled.

[mark blazejewski]

LMAO

Yes, coming home made punishment in school seem laughable.

We got punished for minor things back in the day.

Chewing gum in junior high. In Clarence, the Junior high and Senior high were in the same building at that time. Mrs Weimer caught me chewing gum. She sent me out to do 2 laps on the track with a dress and saddle shoes on. In those days, we weren't allowed to wear shorts or pants to school. They'd also make you kneel on the floor to make sure your skirt touched the ground when you kneeled.

I never wore a dress, not yet at any rate, but this same teacher I referred to would make us extend our arms, and balance big dictionaries in the palms of both hands. My grandmother should have been more attendant to his spiritual and humanitarian needs.

[gorja]

Back to the totes

My totes are ANSI certified and are compatible with automated or semi-automated collection waste truck lifters.
So, why do I need to change?

[mark blazejewski]

Back to the totes

My totes are ANSI certified and are compatible with automated or semi-automated collection waste truck lifters.
So, why do I need to change?

Because your status conflicts with their interests?

[Lee Chowaniec]

Back to the totes

My totes are ANSI certified and are compatible with automated or semi-automated collection waste truck lifters.
So, why do I need to change?

Regarding your ANSI certified totes:


How many do you have?


What sizes?


What did they cost?


Trying to determine what the potential project cost could be sans any grant or the purchasing savings by buying totes in bulk.

The town is looking to be the provider and owner of the totes. They have estimated the need for 28,000 totes of the 95 gallon size and 2,000 of the 65 gallon totes. I wonder if that number estimate includes commercial entities that do not use dumpsters.

[gorja]

Regarding your ANSI certified totes:


How many do you have?


What sizes?


What did they cost?


Trying to determine what the potential project cost could be sans any grant or the purchasing savings by buying totes in bulk.

The town is looking to be the provider and owner of the totes. They have estimated the need for 28,000 totes of the 95 gallon size and 2,000 of the 65 gallon totes. I wonder if that number estimate includes commercial entities that do not use dumpsters.

2 - 64 gallon - $74.98 each

[Lee Chowaniec]

2 - 64 gallon - $74.98 each

So, you will be losing $150 by complying with the town's current refuse ordinance and then paying more in taxes to get new totes to comply with the new ordinance that will be put in place because slackers did not comply with the old code.

Hopefully the town will get a grant that will reduce tote costs and that the town will share in any monetary savings with the selected waste company sure to realize through the automated process.

[Lee Chowaniec]

Need clarification on Monday evening’s language for resolution (19):

WHEREAS, the Town of Lancaster has, pursuant to a proposed Request for Proposals (RFP) to provide municipal refuse collection, disposal and recyclable materials collection and processing, has received comments within the statutory sixty(60)-day comment period, and

WHEREAS, a review of the comments has been undertaken and the Town Board now desires to cause the invitation for final proposals from perspective proposers;

NOW THEREFORE,

BE IT RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Lancaster will hereby receive final proposals to provide municipal refuse collection and disposal; and recyclable materials collection and processing within the Town of Lancaster Garbage and Refuse District pursuant to an RFP generated by the Town of Lancaster and which will be available for review on August 16, 2018 in the office of the Town Clerk and online at http://www.lancasterny.gov; all proposals are to be received at the Town of Lancaster Town Hall, Office of the Town Clerk, 21 Central Avenue, Lancaster, New York no later than 1:00 P.M. Local Time on September 20, 2018 and opened thereafter.

The 60 day comment period in paragraph one refers to comments coming from the waste management perspective proposers, right? If there was anything posted on this project anywhere that the town was expecting / accepting public comments, I am unaware of it.

In paragraph three (3) it states that the finalized RFP document will be available for review on August 16, 2018 in the office of the Town Clerk and online at http://www.lancasterny.gov.

Again, it states nothing about public input – written comments to the Supervisor’s office.

So Mark B., I have to question what led to you submitting a project contract concern to the Supervisor’s office by email. Did you read somewhere that comments would be accepted from the public for sixty (60) days? If so, where?

Considering it was made quite clear that the town didn’t have to hold a public hearing on the matter as it pertained to professional services and while given the perspective that it is their authority to spend our taxpayer money as they see fit (without public input), it makes one suspect that the tail is wagging the dog – namely, that this project favors the waste management companies best interests over that of the community.

Unlike Supervisor Coleman’s contention that everyone entering her office wants the totes, I know of no one who is complying with the current waste management code requirements advocating for spending taxpayer money to bring slackers into code observance.

[mark blazejewski]

So Mark B., I have to question what led to you submitting a project contract concern to the Supervisor’s office by email. Did you read somewhere that comments would be accepted from the public for sixty (60) days? If so, where?

I would like to take a bow for having keen senses and an uncanny ability to manipulate the system Mr. C., but for me, it was like getting out of grad school with almost a perfect 4.0: I unwittingly did the right things at the right times.

I can sequence it for you:

The Town of Lancaster website had telephone contact numbers https://www.lancasterny.gov/contact.html?start=20 so I called Coleman's office, got evasive answers regarding tote restrictions, and what some might consider to be a run around.

I wanted to go on record with this issue, and to put my concern in writing. I went back to the website, and found Coleman's office and her email contact address.

https://www.lancasterny.gov/contact.html


https://www.lancasterny.gov/departments/supervisor.html

I sent the email and received a response, as per previous posts.


I was unaware of the procedure, either through scrutiny, or via an "in-the-know" source. I certainly did know know about the procedure through a public communication channel(s). All-in-all, it was hunt and peck. If for some reason it happened to comply with some subtle guideline, it was dumb luck Lee.

[mark blazejewski]

Considering it was made quite clear that the town didn’t have to hold a public hearing on the matter as it pertained to professional services and while given the perspective that it is their authority to spend our taxpayer money as they see fit (without public input), it makes one suspect that the tail is wagging the dog – namely, that this project favors the waste management companies best interests over that of the community.

Transparency should not be measured by inadvertent situational input: A dumb ass like me stumbling on to a seeming suppressed procedure. That does not seem to be a government which is exercising virtuous transparency. IMHO, it appears to be a dubious, perhaps deceitful tactic, by the power holders, which apparently shifts the burden of exercising an unspoken remedy upon those they claim to represent.

Not favorably impressed.

[Lee Chowaniec]

Thanks for the response, Mark.

BTW - It is resolution #8. Glad that didn't throw you off.

It will also be interesting whether Ruffino's sponsored resolution (#14) will be seconded and approved: “If the estimated cost of a particular Professional Service contract is $50,000 or more, the Department Head will issue a Request for Proposals (RFP) along with the scope of work that, at a minimum, requires submission of pricing and qualifications by potential service providers so long as it’s not prohibited by any State or Federal law or regulation.”

And if it is, what good does it do for the public if they are shut out of the decision making process by being denied a public hearing

[mark blazejewski]

And if it is, what good does it do for the public if they are shut out of the decision making process by being denied a public hearing

Lee, I'll say it is just the sign of the times; you'll say both parties suck, and I think we are both saying the same thing: "Things must change!"

[Lee Chowaniec]

Lee, I'll say it is just the sign of the times; you'll say both parties suck, and I think we are both saying the same thing: "Things must change!"

I have lost faith that things will change. We are both old enough to remember a time when politics was truly the art of compromise for the good of the people. Today we are witnessing obstruction, divisiveness and polarization for the sake of party / personal agendas, all to get votes.

On the federal level we have the lying, narcissus king of condescending tweets (who was not our first choice as Republican nominee) on the one side and the growing uber-left who are now advocating for open borders, equal rights for illegals, free tuition, a minimum $15/hr. wage, a subsidized check for all, Sanctuary Cities, etc.

All the aforementioned by the socialists with no plan how to pay for it all, but with the asinine promise that it will all work out. We are so screwed.

[WNYresident]

So what is the general opinion on totes in town?

[mark blazejewski]

I have lost faith that things will change. We are both old enough to remember a time when politics was truly the art of compromise for the good of the people. Today we are witnessing obstruction, divisiveness and polarization for the sake of party / personal agendas, all to get votes.

On the federal level we have the lying, narcissus king of condescending tweets (who was not our first choice as Republican nominee) on the one side and the growing uber-left who are now advocating for open borders, equal rights for illegals, free tuition, a minimum $15/hr. wage, a subsidized check for all, Sanctuary Cities, etc.

All the aforementioned by the socialists with no plan how to pay for it all, but with the asinine promise that it will all work out. We are so screwed.

Somewhere Lee, under the tweets and the Left's lies, resides a core of common sense, lowered temperatures, and good intentions intentions for our people.