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    Supreme Court deals blow to unions

    Supreme Court deals blow to unions, rules against forced fees for government workers

    In a major legal and political defeat for big labor, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Wednesday that state government workers cannot be forced to pay so-called "fair share" fees to support collective bargaining and other union activities.

    While the current case applies only to public-sector employees, the political and financial stakes are potentially huge for the broader American labor union movement, which had been sounding the alarm about the legal fight.

    The unions say 5 million government employees in 24 states and the District of Columbia would be affected by this ruling.

    At issue in the high-stakes case was whether states can compel government workers -- whether they are in a union or not -- to pay fees to support union activities. The case centered on the complaints of an Illinois state employee who sued, saying he was being asked to support the union's political message.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...t-workers.html


    "While the current case applies only to public-sector employees"

    Does this mean we can eliminate all the people who handle tracking/collection of these fees from local/county/state governments? Those very same people can be hire by the union group and continue what they do directly with each member. Correct?

    The plaintiff in the case, Mark Janus, has worked for years as an Illinois state employee and pays about $550 annually to the powerful public-sector union known as AFSCME.
    Each group can setup a membership billing system. They can bill each member monthly, quarterly, or yearly.

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    Oh happy day! This is the one I have been waiting for. McConnell blocking Garland is an amazing delayed kick in the nuts to Obama from a distance.

    Many are looking this as a union v. public sector agency but that's the wrong way to look at it. This is about new union members v. old members. It's going to bleed the ranks and it will help correct things such as the broken school systems around the us.

    The last in/first out rule is going to be back on the table as why would a new union member pay to support a union that has them on the outside? The tier systems for benefits and pensions are also back up in the air as why would any lower tier member continue to take cuts while leaving the golden eggs untouched.

    This is a great day for America!

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    Today just gets better. President Trump and a Republican Congress get to select/confirm a replacement Justice Kennedy.

    Will Trump get 3? Ginsburg is looking like a California Rasin these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftWNYbecauseofBS View Post
    Today just gets better. President Trump and a Republican Congress get to select/confirm a replacement Justice Kennedy.

    Will Trump get 3? Ginsburg is looking like a California Rasin these days.
    Leftie, not only does she look bad she’s as crazy as a sh*thouse rat and has been for years. Those freaking white gloves she wears everywhere are a true fashion statement. As bad as that addled old bastard, William O. Douglas, crapping himself on the bench.

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    Many are looking this as a union v. public sector agency but that's the wrong way to look at it. This is about new union members v. old members. It's going to bleed the ranks and it will help correct things such as the broken school systems around the us.
    How so?

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    WNY, I wouldn’t presume to answer for Leftie but unions will have to be more responsive to the needs of members or the members will leave the union and won’t have to pay dues, causing the coffers to go dry. Not only that but they’ll get the benefits of the contract even if they’re not paying dues. If the membership falls this will leave less $$$ for teachers unions to pursue their anti-family, anti-student and anti-taxpayer policies. And the unions will have to be oriented toward protecting their members from whacked out parents instead of siding with parents against their own membership. And it’s not just teachers. It should have ramifications for UB, DOT and on it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grump View Post
    WNY, I wouldn’t presume to answer for Leftie but unions will have to be more responsive to the needs of members or the members will leave the union and won’t have to pay dues, causing the coffers to go dry. Not only that but they’ll get the benefits of the contract even if they’re not paying dues. If the membership falls this will leave less $$$ for teachers unions to pursue their anti-family, anti-student and anti-taxpayer policies.

    I do see the unions point though. Everyone benefits from the work they do. All the employees. How I look at it though is that the "service" providers should collect their own membership fees not the group of people who run a government entity.

    They can easily setup an auto deduct from email employees bank account or bill against a employee supplied credit card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grump View Post
    WNY, I wouldn’t presume to answer for Leftie but unions will have to be more responsive to the needs of members or the members will leave the union and won’t have to pay dues, causing the coffers to go dry. Not only that but they’ll get the benefits of the contract even if they’re not paying dues. If the membership falls this will leave less $$$ for teachers unions to pursue their anti-family, anti-student and anti-taxpayer policies. And the unions will have to be oriented toward protecting their members from whacked out parents instead of siding with parents against their own membership. And it’s not just teachers. It should have ramifications for UB, DOT and on it goes.
    This...pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    I do see the unions point though. Everyone benefits from the work they do. All the employees. How I look at it though is that the "service" providers should collect their own membership fees not the group of people who run a government entity.

    They can easily setup an auto deduct from email employees bank account or bill against a employee supplied credit card.
    Well not everyone benefits from all their work. My brother is a teacher & he has issues with many union policies, especially in the areas of student discipline and accountability. He most assuredly does not see benefits to him in these policies.

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    Frankly, I’ve never understood why govt employees are allowed to unionize. They already have job protection through the civil service system. It takes a work of Christ to remove a tenured faculty member at a SUNY school even without a union.

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    This is gonna cost Dems millions in PAC Fund donations :
    Notice how they all avoid talking about the hidden PAC Fund deductions taken. When you look on your check - no where does it say "PAC Fund donation" !
    ----But the federal law says union dues can't be used to fund political donations.
    ----The law also states each employee must be told how much went for the PAC Fund.
    ----Last but not least - each employee must sign a consent form for the donations - most people have never seen that form.
    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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    ----Last but not least - each employee must sign a consent form for the donations - most people have never seen that form.
    There must be a copy laying around

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNYresident View Post
    I do see the unions point though. Everyone benefits from the work they do. All the employees.
    This is false.

    Once a union is created, until the entire industry is dead, the union continues to exist. It's a mouth to feed, even if the pantry is empty. In order for it to be served a slice it needs to bring something back. Even if what they bring back is poison that will slowly kill the group. If you're an employee that is more concerned about longevity rather than the feast ahead...a union is not a benefit to you.

    Beyond this, unions work towards stacking friendly politicians that they can negotiate with. They sell their soul for this and they help elect soleless politicians, who in turn implement policy in other areas outside of their collective bargaining that is harmful to its members. Example: property taxes in NYS. If you're someone who doesn't make that much in social services...unions are not doing you a favor by getting the blue ticket elected each and every year.

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    That really doesn't happen in the public sector because the slow death of an area is over many decades not over a year or two. Longevity is guaranteed to the small group of people who have a monopoly of services. The pantry is never empty because property owners are forced with threat of losing their homes to keep that pantry full. Even the crappy employees benefit.

    I see your point if you look at it from the private sector side of things. In the private sector people are not forced to buy a product or service that business provides. I could see 1000 employees demanding higher wages while the company loses clients while 200 other employees say "you know we are paid really well to begin with" lets adjust to meet what the market demands.

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    Government unions in New York together constitute a major industry in their own right, annually collecting at least $862 million in dues and fees from more than 1 million employees.

    --- -- As shown in this report, if the Supreme Court sides with the plaintiff in Janus, New York state government and New York City municipal employees who have already indicated they would rather not belong to unions would save $53 million a year in dues-like fees. Extrapolating to other levels of local government, school districts and public authorities, the immediate savings for all New York public-sector workers opting out of union membership could come to more than $110 million—and could grow from there.


    -----Nearly every state and New York City government position that is legally eligible for union representation is covered by a union contract.
    All 61 city governments and 56 of New York’s 57 county governments outside New York City each have at least partially unionized workforces.
    New York’s larger towns and villages have unionized workforces. While more rural and scantily populated municipalities typically do not, unions represent employees in towns as small as Piercefield (pop. 310) in St. Lawrence County and West Union (pop. 312) in Steuben County, and in villages as small as Long Island’s Ocean Beach (pop. 79).
    The teachers in 683 of New York’s 689 school districts are unionized. Most school district support staff, such as custodians and cafeteria workers, are also often unionized.
    Two of the state’s largest public authorities, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority and New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation, rank among the state’s biggest employers of unionized public employees.

    https://www.empirecenter.org/publica...-janus-stakes/
    #Dems play musical chairs + patronage and nepotism = entitlement !

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