Grocery Stores selling wine

[atotaltotalfan2001]

I'm glad you brought up Wegmans. You know, I shop at Wegmans, because I'm willing to pay more for a better quality product?

Plus, I really like their olive bar.



Quite a few, actually. Premier Groups have like 3 already. Nucherino's is a small mom-and-pop Wine place (They sell liquor too, but their wine selection is much better).

Quality, will 9/10 beat quantity. Lot's of businesses use that very model to be successful.



I'm sure there are. Because you have to be a "Liquor Store" to sell wine. By allowing grocers to sell wine, it can open up entire business sector of Wine Stores, which are cheaper to operate due to not having the burden of being a liquor store.



Sometimes, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It's the wondrous thing about a democracy (Or, a constitutional republic actually).

You say: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

I guess in theory that's correct. In reality, we are hurting our own and have done so for a while. Our economy will never truly recover until we start taking care of each other. It's pretty obvious we can't rely on the government to take care of our economy, or of us.

I think it's a small price to pay to keep Mom and Pop shops in business if we can. Most are gone already anyway, but why continue the trend when we've seen the impact on jobs?

I say leave the wine/spirit shops alone. They are doing their best and have been for a long time. It is truly unfair for the government to come along and dramatically undercut them for no other reason than Albany needs money.

Mom and Pop shops are part of the American Dream of using hard work, all your savings and your wits to succeed -- despite the odds.

Why would we fail to take of our own -- especially when we've seen that the government doesn't know how to do so?

It's worth whatever extra small cost is involved.

[mikenold]

The recession ends, people get back to work, and start buying things again. This in turn causes sales tax receipts to go back up, as well as income tax receipts.

Right now, people don't have jobs, therefore don't pay income tax. And they have no money, so they aren't out buying things, therefore, not paying sales tax.

This is true. This is the same reason why lowering taxes (especially on small businesses) causes more tax revenue (something our Federal, State and local Democrats don't seem to fathom).

[Save Us]

The recession ends, people get back to work, and start buying things again. This in turn causes sales tax receipts to go back up, as well as income tax receipts.

Right now, people don't have jobs, therefore don't pay income tax. And they have no money, so they aren't out buying things, therefore, not paying sales tax.

NY needs to cultivate a business friendly climate.

On NPR this morning I heard a commercial and website address for the creation of entrepreneurs in the US.

Some people have the realization that it is paramount. NY does not.

All of the above is dependent on strong businesses...period.
without them you have no tax, no jobs, no people, nothing. Just a government class that generates well....nothing. and finds ways to self perpetuate.

[NBuffaloResident]

You say: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

I guess in theory that's correct. In reality, we are hurting our own and have done so for a while. Our economy will never truly recover until we start taking care of each other. It's pretty obvious we can't rely on the government to take care of our economy, or of us.

I think it's a small price to pay to keep Mom and Pop shops in business if we can. Most are gone already anyway, but why continue the trend when we've seen the impact on jobs?

I say leave the wine/spirit shops alone. They are doing their best and have been for a long time. It is truly unfair for the government to come along and dramatically undercut them for no other reason than Albany needs money.

Mom and Pop shops are part of the American Dream of using hard work, all your savings and your wits to succeed -- despite the odds.

Why would we fail to take of our own -- especially when we've seen that the government doesn't know how to do so?

It's worth whatever extra small cost is involved.

Nobody is trying to put small mom-and-pop liquor stores out of business. Allowing a grocery to sell wine is not going to kill any liquor store. They are still selling liquor.

I really wonder what the volume of wine is that small shops move? I'll hazard it's rather small.

This is true. This is the same reason why lowering taxes (especially on small businesses) causes more tax revenue (something our Federal, State and local Democrats don't seem to fathom).

Not really true. In fact, tax breaks for small business owners have been enacted at the federal level already.

Lowering taxes, as a whole, does not cause more tax revenue, however. We've seen that at a state and federal level already.

How do you think Reagan and Bush both inflated the deficit, when handed a surplus? By slashing taxes.

[NBuffaloResident]

NY needs to cultivate a business friendly climate.

On NPR this morning I heard a commercial and website address for the creation of entrepreneurs in the US.

Some people have the realization that it is paramount. NY does not.

All of the above is dependent on strong businesses...period.
without them you have no tax, no jobs, no people, nothing. Just a government class that generates well....nothing. and finds ways to self perpetuate.

NYS has a strong business climate. Did you miss how one mistake in NY State can devastate the entire world's economy? It just happened recently.

It's amazing how so many will say NY State is so "business unfriendly". I wonder how then, we can be the center of commerce for the entire US then?

[Save Us]

NYS has a strong business climate. Did you miss how one mistake in NY State can devastate the entire world's economy? It just happened recently.

It's amazing how so many will say NY State is so "business unfriendly". I wonder how then, we can be the center of commerce for the entire US then?

google most business friendly states.
or choose whatever reference you want. MSN, etc.

[mikenold]

Not really true. In fact, tax breaks for small business owners have been enacted at the federal level already.

Lowering taxes, as a whole, does not cause more tax revenue, however. We've seen that at a state and federal level already.

How do you think Reagan and Bush both inflated the deficit, when handed a surplus? By slashing taxes.

Nonsense! Go back and find out that the IRS took in record amounts when Reagan cut taxes.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Nobody is trying to put small mom-and-pop liquor stores out of business. Allowing a grocery to sell wine is not going to kill any liquor store. They are still selling liquor.

I really wonder what the volume of wine is that small shops move? I'll hazard it's rather small.



Not really true. In fact, tax breaks for small business owners have been enacted at the federal level already.

Lowering taxes, as a whole, does not cause more tax revenue, however. We've seen that at a state and federal level already.

How do you think Reagan and Bush both inflated the deficit, when handed a surplus? By slashing taxes.

I think we should be realistic here. Mom and Pop shops will indeed go out of business because they've invested in the rapidly growing popularity of wine.

Wine accounts for a majority of sales at wine/spirit stores. In my small world -- I live in the Village of Williamsville -- wine is the overwhelming product on the shelves.

Aside from that, alcohol is generally not a healthy product. Why expand the locations where it is sold? I think the limits on its sales is great. If the government truly wants to bleed wine/spirit stores, I'd rather Albany raise taxes on alcohol.

By the way, if grocery stores start selling wine, does that mean no one under 21 can work in those locations?

[keyboard150]

I think we should be realistic here. Mom and Pop shops will indeed go out of business because they've invested in the rapidly growing popularity of wine.

Wine accounts for a majority of sales at wine/spirit stores. In my small world -- I live in the Village of Williamsville -- wine is the overwhelming product on the shelves.

Aside from that, alcohol is generally not a healthy product. Why expand the locations where it is sold? I think the limits on its sales is great. If the government truly wants to bleed wine/spirit stores, I'd rather Albany raise taxes on alcohol.

By the way, if grocery stores start selling wine, does that mean no one under 21 can work in those locations?

And with the growing popularity of wine, the smaller stores will still have a niche product, because they will sell out of state and foreign wines that you won't be able to buy in grocery stores.

I would really push for wine in grocery stores if they were only allowed to sell New York wines.

[run4it]

Nonsense! Go back and find out that the IRS took in record amounts when Reagan cut taxes.

IRS took in large amounts of taxes when Reagan exploded deficits and inflation.

[mikenold]

IRS took in large amounts of taxes when Reagan exploded deficits and inflation.

Let's just think about what you say here. Reagan exploded deficits and inflation. And somehow this was the reason that the IRS took in large amounts of taxes. Hmmm... Just doesn't make sense. Sorry, you must be wrong.

Maybe the IRS took in large amounts of taxes because he lowered taxes on small business and so small business expanded their businesses which increased the amount of taxes collected and hired more of the unemployed workers increasing the amount of payroll taxes collected. He lowered taxes on the workers and they spent more money which increased the amount of sales taxes collected and the amount of capital gains taxes collected. Hmmm... Yes this is a reasonable explanation. This is how it happened for sure!

[NBuffaloResident]

Let's just think about what you say here. Reagan exploded deficits and inflation. And somehow this was the reason that the IRS took in large amounts of taxes. Hmmm... Just doesn't make sense. Sorry, you must be wrong.

Maybe the IRS took in large amounts of taxes because he lowered taxes on small business and so small business expanded their businesses which increased the amount of taxes collected and hired more of the unemployed workers increasing the amount of payroll taxes collected. He lowered taxes on the workers and they spent more money which increased the amount of sales taxes collected and the amount of capital gains taxes collected. Hmmm... Yes this is a reasonable explanation. This is how it happened for sure!

I don't know where the thought that the IRS took in lots of money during Reagan's era. They didn't.

Tax receipts dropped. Deficits and inflation soared.

[therising]

Oh man, this thread has gone off topic. I don't what you people are talking about anymore.

With all due respect (emphasis on the word "due,) anyone who doesn't agree with me on this issue is a dummy, and should be banned from this MB.

We'll have this conversation again a year after the supermarkets start selling wine. Then, we'll see who's right.

And, any of you who own businesses (or even just have jobs for that matter,) please post your occupation here, so that the State can get ideas of other industries to **** over.

[WNYresident]

Wait, aren't you the one who says politicians should screw everyone else, in favor of yourself?

What is your issue with me? WNY comes first seeing we LIVE in WNY.

Politicians shouldn't screw anyone. I would rather have people in office who actually represent the non-government worker/business owners of WNY. Not me personally. Are you just screwing with me?

[NBuffaloResident]

What is your issue with me? WNY comes first seeing we LIVE in WNY.

Politicians shouldn't screw anyone. I would rather have people in office who actually represent the non-government worker/business owners of WNY. Not me personally. Are you just screwing with me?

My issue is not with you personally (We've met in person before actually, and you seem like an amicable guy). My issue is with your take on politicians who would be "good" for the state.

Would NYC come first for you if you lived in NYC? Would you screw us over as fast as you are willing to screw the rest of the state to our benefit?

The small amount of "screwing over" that will happen if grocers can sell wine, benefits the entire state, through balancing the budget.

I'm really hard pressed to believe this statement that NYS isn't good for businesses. If it were the case, why are companies still flocking to NYC?