Some of Carls Views - started by WNYresdient

[DomesticatedFeminist]

3 things you disagree with about Carl, I would like to know. If he decides to run I will help give him as much expose as I can.

1) health care, even though I disagree with the bill up for vote right now because it's not progressive. So i guess that is two in one, because I disagree with him when he calls the the bill is progressive.

2) His free market stance, the free market and reganomics have destroyed this country.

3) The fact that he claims to represent the working class people he doesn't. I not only disagree with that but am insulted by it.

I think if you agree and support him than you should do whatever you can to show your support. I however do not support him and think it's annoying he claims to represent the working class when I doubt he even speaks to people who make less than 100 grand on a regular basis.

[WNYresident]

1) will carl as governor vote on the health care plan? Yes or No?

2) The free Market is what built this country. Carl as governor will not be handling "macro economics" of the USA.

3) Yes he does. The Non-government worker/business owner. How can you claim he doesn't? What have you seen him do personally to confirm your statement?

I however do not support him and think it's annoying he claims to represent the working class when I doubt he even speaks to people who make less than 100 grand on a regular basis.

I don't even know how to respond to your comment. How do you form an opinion like that? Just because someone works their ass off to make money you believe they won't associate with people who make less than they do?

[NBuffaloResident]

1) will carl as governor vote on the health care plan? Yes or No?

2) The free Market is what built this country. Carl as governor will not be handling "macro economics" of the USA.

To a point. The Free Market has also done some of the greatest damage to our nation as well:

* Child labor
* Slavery
* Destruction of the environment

Completely free market does nothing but consume, in the name of profit. We have always tempered the market, since the beginning of our nation. In fact, Denmark, the fathers of capitalism realized very soon that the free market needs regulation in order to build trust in it, and therefore created and mandated the "Double Entry Bookkeeping" system.

3) Yes he does. The Non-government worker/business owner. How can you claim he doesn't? What have you seen him do personally to confirm your statement?

I am a non-government worker/and business owner. I do not want profit being the motive in health care. And, the current bill, at least attempts to correct that.

I'm sick of paying $800/month in insurance, and then still not really knowing if I'll be dropped because some bean counter thinks I'm too "high-risk".

I don't even know how to respond to your comment. How do you form an opinion like that? Just because someone works their ass off to make money you believe they won't associate with people who make less than they do?

Paladino hardly "works his ass off"... Do you really think a property developer has the best interests of the people at heart? No, developers are more or less "property flippers" with a nice title.

[WNYresident]

To a point. The Free Market has also done some of the greatest damage to our nation as well:

* Child labor
* Slavery
* Destruction of the environment

Completely free market does nothing but consume, in the name of profit. We have always tempered the market, since the beginning of our nation. In fact, Denmark, the fathers of capitalism realized very soon that the free market needs regulation in order to build trust in it, and therefore created and mandated the "Double Entry Bookkeeping" system.

What does this have to do with Carl being our next governor of NYS?

We now have Osha, I don't believe slavery is allowed in NYS and child labor laws.

[WNYresident]

I am a non-government worker/and business owner. I do not want profit being the motive in health care. And, the current bill, at least attempts to correct that.

I'm sick of paying $800/month in insurance, and then still not really knowing if I'll be dropped because some bean counter thinks I'm too "high-risk".

What does this have to do with Carl being our next governor of NYS?

HE won't be voting on the health care bill.

[WNYresident]

Paladino hardly "works his ass off"... Do you really think a property developer has the best interests of the people at heart? No, developers are more or less "property flippers" with a nice title.

No one hands people their business they run. If your a business owner you might get to the point of being able to take it easy after a awhile but it's not handed to you for the most part. Over the years I have heard people tell me "Your lucky you own a business".. LUCK has nothing to do with it unless your born into a successful family business. But then again I have seen parents try to get their kids into their business and it doesn't work out.

[DomesticatedFeminist]

I don't even know how to respond to your comment. How do you form an opinion like that? Just because someone works their ass off to make money you believe they won't associate with people who make less than they do?

I am not saying carl never associates with these people, i am saying he doesn't represent them.

Not all working class folk who aren't in the 'political class' are going to agree with Carl.

If he runs for governor, good for him, but he won't get my vote. Neither will patterson. Actually nobody represents my ideals.

[DomesticatedFeminist]

This topic went off a little, but I get why the argument of the free market would come up.

Carl Paladino supports the 'free market,' less laws against business practices, and basically 'trickle down economics.' They are simply debating Carl's views.

My views are business should be regulated, health care should be available and some social programs are needed to keep society running smoothly. So naturally I would oppose Carl Paladino. Don't get me wrong, i oppose the welfare state we have become, it seems like wealthy and dirt poor are taken care of, while the rest of us struggle. Everyone in the middle sees the same problem, but we all disagree on how it should be solved.

Business men like Carl Paladino have received different forms of welfare that middle class americans haven't. It comes in the form of tax breaks, cheap govt land, etc etc. Not saying Carl has done this, I am saying businessmen like him have.

While Carl made his money and wasn't handed a business, he isn't on the same level as say a store owner. He flipped land and did it by filing paper work, not getting dirty. I have respect for small business owners, Carl isn't a small business owner.

I still wish him the best of luck in his political ambitions..

[ryan]

Not all working class folk who aren't in the 'political class' are going to agree with Carl.

If he runs for governor, good for him, but he won't get my vote. Neither will patterson. Actually nobody represents my ideals.

It's kind of hard to judge him, when he hasn't officially declared where he stands on anything, isn't it?

You said yourself you don't like the healthcare bill as is, how is that any different that what he's saying?

BTW, this isn't just directed at you DF, but I'd say just wait until he comes up with his 'plan', at which point feel free to agree/disagree with him, but to just disagree with him because he's loaded seems foolish.

I'll admit I having not lived in the NY since November 2008 I haven't heard much of his talk on the radio and what-not, but from what I have heard it seems that he is able to point out the dysfunction in NYS pretty well.

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Anyway, I need to go to work. On a Sunday. Without OT. What's the number for the Army union rep again?

[WNYresident]

My views are business should be regulated, health care should be available and some social programs are needed to keep society running smoothly. So naturally I would oppose Carl Paladino. Don't get me wrong, i oppose the welfare state we have become, it seems like wealthy and dirt poor are taken care of, while the rest of us struggle. Everyone in the middle sees the same problem, but we all disagree on how it should be solved.

And right now from the choices we currently have Carl would be in our best interest unless someone else comes on the scene. Even if he exposes all the BS that is going on and we all try to purge it from our state.

[NBuffaloResident]

And right now from the choices we currently have Carl would be in our best interest unless someone else comes on the scene. Even if he exposes all the BS that is going on and we all try to purge it from our state.

How would Carl be in our best interests? He has yet to state a platform under which he'd be running, and the one statement he made (Which is we don't want health care reform) is a flat out lie.